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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 14:25:52 GMT
They play at a ground already, one that is probably better than Castle Town in all reality (from the last time I went either). The only thing I have against it is its location. I'm shocked we don't have teams down the ages. I presumed we did. Playing at Norton Utd makes no sense though, the pitch at Newcastle Town is far superior....... Is it? I’ve never been to Castle Town and it not be up and down with bumps everywhere. It’s an atrocious pitch.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2022 14:26:49 GMT
They are discussing it on P&G tonight at 6 with Chloe Jones in the studio What no mindboggler or sportify🙄Pathetic pathetic station
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Post by a on Mar 10, 2022 15:37:26 GMT
How many years has there been a real push for womens footie now? 4,5,6 years? Is it making money? That’s the deciding factor, not ticking a Diversity and Inclusion box. If tens of thousands (across the league) of supporters won’t turn out every week like the top leagues then it’ll continue to be as popular as lower/non league, that’s how it works in essence. Well yes, if it's not attracting people it will not be popular! That's self-evident. I have to say I just don't see what the issue is with showing it on tv, there's enough other stuff (too much) already there...and while coverage in the press arguably takes space from the championship or whatever, I've never seen much decent coverage of anything much outside Chelsea, the Shit, Man City etc in my whole lifetime and I'm 57. There are tons of issues with women's football (onesidedness, lack of uptake/facilities in poorer areas), but my prediction is it will become the most popular game played by women in the next few years (if not already) and that the coverage it's receiving now will have a (limited) effect in boosting its popularity. As others have said, it's no threat to, and in any case shouldn't be compared with, men's football, which has its roots in industrial cities and century odd of being part of the national consciousness. All in all, given that girls generally have said they feel less confident in undertaking sport and are less likely to do so than boys, any presentation of a positive example is probably a good thing. Sometimes ticking diversity and inclusion boxes is a good thing if it improves society. Especially as football's history is littered with sexism and exclusion tick boxes, from banning it from happening (thanks FA) to suggesting women wear skimpy outfits (Blatter I think that was). Bring on the 2022 Euros! Sure there'll be cricket and rugby league on if you don't want to watch it I totally back the sport, I’m only suggesting that it isn’t as popular as it should be at this stage. Good luck to them, but I doubt it’ll gain much more traction
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 10, 2022 17:17:26 GMT
Our owners are xenophobic? They give british jobs to british people, so they must be It kind of sums up my point this comment: If a foreign manager is 20, 30, 40 times better and more qualified than his British counterpart and you still employ British even though they are mediocre compared to their foreign counterpart then that is the very definition of discrimination. We employed Jones even though he had no championship experience, we employed MON even though he had no experience in any English leagues or any experience of building a team(of which his lack of is no hindering him) he was employed while we were cast adrift at the foot of the table on a part-time basis while he was still managing NI - you are not telling me in these instances we could not have taken one sideways glance to expand our horizons a bit further than the UK and employ somebody a bit more exciting and qualified. Does sum up Stoke and our owners though - stuck in the 1800s, unfortunately, it is holding us back and has caused us to fall where we are now from what looked like a position of strength and stability in the prem. If we carry on with these substandard British no-hopers our owners will be taking us back to tier 3 football again, like they did last time.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 10, 2022 17:39:50 GMT
They give british jobs to british people, so they must be It kind of sums up my point this comment: If a foreign manager is 20, 30, 40 times better and more qualified than his British counterpart and you still employ British even though they are mediocre compared to their foreign counterpart then that is the very definition of discrimination. We employed Jones even though he had no championship experience, we employed MON even though he had no experience in any English leagues or any experience of building a team(of which his lack of is no hindering him) he was employed while we were cast adrift at the foot of the table on a part-time basis while he was still managing NI - you are not telling me in these instances we could not have taken one sideways glance to expand our horizons a bit further than the UK and employ somebody a bit more exciting and qualified. Does sum up Stoke and our owners though - stuck in the 1800s, unfortunately, it is holding us back and has caused us to fall where we are now from what looked like a position of strength and stability in the prem. If we carry on with these substandard British no-hopers our owners will be taking us back to tier 3 football again, like they did last time. No it doesn't, you said they were xenophobic, that's baseless nonsense. Preferring to employ people in Stoke rather than gibraltar etc is not xenophobic, there's no fear of foreigners, it's called looking after your own. I wish more people were like them - the best owners we could wish for.
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Post by callas12 on Mar 10, 2022 18:24:26 GMT
Chloe Jones talking on Radio Stoke in a few minutes
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 19:16:40 GMT
The latest target for women’s football is average gates of 6,000 in the WSL. Yet, while the league was averaging a promising 3,000 in 2019-20, attendances have subsequently been in retreat. 715 attended Aston Villa at home to Chelsea, or the 502 at Everton’s match with Brighton this season. Attendances in the Women’s Super League are actually going down, despite all the free promotion on the BBC.
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Post by independent on Mar 10, 2022 19:22:17 GMT
The real question is should Championship clubs who are short of cash pay the running costs of a Ladies team that no-one wants to go to support even with very cheap tickets. Some of the World Cup Finals tickets cost £10. If they should pay their costs for them then for how many years before you accept that it is never going to be self supporting.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 19:23:16 GMT
Chloe Jones talking on Radio Stoke in a few minutes What was said?
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Post by callas12 on Mar 10, 2022 20:29:40 GMT
Chloe Jones talking on Radio Stoke in a few minutes What was said? Chloe basically said no animosity at leaving which I guess is the standard corporate line these days when unhappy. But did say she feels other clubs that we were ahead of are now leap frogging us and that we're standing still. She says she was coach, manager, technical director, kit washer and lots of other kind of roles at the club. She said she used to have to wear lots of different hats during her stint at Stoke & that it eventually takes its toll as she's giving alot with not a great deal of reward. She spoke well and certainly didn't directly hang anyone out to dry as such but you could tell she was frustrated and just felt she'd done all she could at Stoke and had taken us as far as our resources allowed her to. She said she needs a break away for abit so she can reset and see more of her family. & she's been doing some commentary work recently for the WSL & may choose to give that a go moving forwards.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 10, 2022 20:49:23 GMT
It kind of sums up my point this comment: If a foreign manager is 20, 30, 40 times better and more qualified than his British counterpart and you still employ British even though they are mediocre compared to their foreign counterpart then that is the very definition of discrimination. We employed Jones even though he had no championship experience, we employed MON even though he had no experience in any English leagues or any experience of building a team(of which his lack of is no hindering him) he was employed while we were cast adrift at the foot of the table on a part-time basis while he was still managing NI - you are not telling me in these instances we could not have taken one sideways glance to expand our horizons a bit further than the UK and employ somebody a bit more exciting and qualified. Does sum up Stoke and our owners though - stuck in the 1800s, unfortunately, it is holding us back and has caused us to fall where we are now from what looked like a position of strength and stability in the prem. If we carry on with these substandard British no-hopers our owners will be taking us back to tier 3 football again, like they did last time. No it doesn't, you said they were xenophobic, that's baseless nonsense. Preferring to employ people in Stoke rather than gibraltar etc is not xenophobic, there's no fear of foreigners, it's called looking after your own. I wish more people were like them - the best owners we could wish for. I think we are at cross-purposes here, I am talking about the most important appointment our owners make at the club - as in our manager - and I think you are talking about the local caterers, etc - and others that they employ at the club Although nice to know that people from Gibraltar or anywhere other than SOT need not apply - where do they get their wine from is bet365s own. Take a look at how many foreign managers the Coates family have employed in their 2 tenures at our club and then I think you will find there is some evidence of xenophobia in there. Let's face it - it is the same for the women. It would cost peanuts to put a full-time squad in place, bet365 paid 276 million pound just in tax last year and it would cost them less than a million a year to fund a full-time squad for the women, with possible profits if they start becoming successful. If they funded a women's team they could probably write off some of that tax bill as expenses. All that said, although I don't sound it, I am grateful for all the money they have and do put into our club - of which they don't have to and the same could be said re the women's game - they are not obliged to pump money into it. That said, and in all honesty, I just think they are garbage at running a football club and dated with it and I don't think the women will ever get any funding while they are here and the men will never get a manager that is anything other than dour or British
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 2:45:20 GMT
I have a certain sympathy with your views, but I think £1 million a year to run a full time set up is optimistic. I imagine it would probably be twice that, still not a great sum in the scheme of things. However, with falling attendances for Women's Football all over Europe why bother? The WSL is one of the few fully professional leagues in Europe and attracts some of the best foreign players to England, but people won't bother going to the games.There were 715 at Aston Villa's home game against Chelsea, 502 at Everton’s match with Brighton this season. Only 3 sides attract over 1000 fans regularly. Man. City, Arsenal and Chelsea. And Chelsea may now even fold up as Coventry Utd. have already done this season. The BBC have put a big push behind the WSL for the last 3/4 years and have seen attendances halve since 2019-20 despite their efforts. As far as I can see, almost everything has been tried to promote Women's football.The only thing that remains to be tried is to have the WSL league game played as a curtain raiser before a Premier league game. This has it's own problems as some of the 12 clubs in the league's have men's teams that play in the Championship.Still it could be tried.Even if the Women were admitted for free it might be as cheap as renting the grounds that they do now.The WSL have managed to get sponsorship from Barclays and a TV deal with SKY and BBC, so they have a little more income. The Elephant in the room is the lack of fans. Can anyone explain how long you keep flogging a dead horse. We must hope that after another 6/7 years there will be a fanbase for women's football but I wouldn't bet on it. I think it's going to be a TV sport. I have a lot of Sympathy for Chloe Jones who was left running a really amateur set up. But did anyone attend the games. I know she would probably say that if they were professional, the standard would improve and the fans would come but the facts don't bear that out. Hopefully, it's darkest before the Dawn.
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Post by madnellie on Mar 11, 2022 4:50:39 GMT
The latest target for women’s football is average gates of 6,000 in the WSL. Yet, while the league was averaging a promising 3,000 in 2019-20, attendances have subsequently been in retreat. 715 attended Aston Villa at home to Chelsea, or the 502 at Everton’s match with Brighton this season. Attendances in the Women’s Super League are actually going down, despite all the free promotion on the BBC. Isn't that the same for every sport, thanks to COVID?
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 13:52:32 GMT
The attendances have been going down steadily all over Europe. Big clubs like Juventus have very low attendances. How many people attended Stoke City ladies games this year, post covid? ACCRINGTON STANLEY and EXETER CITY have higher attendances than Man. City Ladies. By Jessy Parker Humphreys published October 08, 2021 Whilst fans packing into stadiums has pushed the Women's Super League attendance record close to 40,000, the average Women's Super League attendance is around 1000. It might have been a while since fans were in grounds but the recent return of the Women's Super League has seen clubs welcome back supporters to grounds. There is often a lot of focus on maximum Women's Super League attendances, with clubs doing everything from giving away free tickets to playing back to back games to encourage fans to come and support their women's sides.
The real question has to be: Is there an audience for Women's football? Even if it takes another 10 years, can the game become self supporting even with the low wages and costbase that it has.?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 13:56:25 GMT
They give british jobs to british people, so they must be It kind of sums up my point this comment: If a foreign manager is 20, 30, 40 times better and more qualified than his British counterpart and you still employ British even though they are mediocre compared to their foreign counterpart then that is the very definition of discrimination. We employed Jones even though he had no championship experience, we employed MON even though he had no experience in any English leagues or any experience of building a team(of which his lack of is no hindering him) he was employed while we were cast adrift at the foot of the table on a part-time basis while he was still managing NI - you are not telling me in these instances we could not have taken one sideways glance to expand our horizons a bit further than the UK and employ somebody a bit more exciting and qualified. Does sum up Stoke and our owners though - stuck in the 1800s, unfortunately, it is holding us back and has caused us to fall where we are now from what looked like a position of strength and stability in the prem. If we carry on with these substandard British no-hopers our owners will be taking us back to tier 3 football again, like they did last time. We were on the brink of 3rd tier football when MON came in
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 14:12:38 GMT
"If a foreign manager is 20, 30, 40 times better and more qualified than his British counterpart and you still employ British even though they are mediocre compared to their foreign counterpart then that is the very definition of discrimination." I'm sure if Mr. Klopp was willing to come to Stoke City we would employ him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 14:23:49 GMT
Yet a British manager clearly leads the way as far as promotions are concerned and the most successful manager ever in the game....no need to go on.
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Post by independent on Mar 11, 2022 14:44:07 GMT
Why do people think that a Foreign manager is sure to be better than a British one. No manager comes with a guarantee. Ranieri won the league with Leicester and is also joint most sacked foreign manager.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 15, 2022 12:52:27 GMT
- no worries. I was ambivalent when I moved here, but it grows on you eventually - especially when there's no footie in the summer. My lad is Warrington born and bred (but a full-on "Stokie") and he's very much of the generation that wants to see the game spread out of the cloth cap and ferret heartland*. * The M62. I think that’s a tough sell. People seem to prefer Union (I do) and the T20 and Hundred cricket I would suggest are taking over too in the summer. I do want to go a game though, I have fond memories of Warrington and feel like it was something I missed out on. I went to watch Warrington Town a few times though. Good little club. Yep we go to Warrington Town sometimes - when there's no Stoke game. It makes a change from everything that goes with following teams higher up the league pyramid. Although the problems are similar - we went to an open Q&A session with the chairman a few weeks ago, which was an eye-opener into the day-to-day challenges of running a non-league semi-pro club. Some of the salary budgets for clubs playing a couple of levels below "the Conference" are eye-watering!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2022 12:57:46 GMT
I think that’s a tough sell. People seem to prefer Union (I do) and the T20 and Hundred cricket I would suggest are taking over too in the summer. I do want to go a game though, I have fond memories of Warrington and feel like it was something I missed out on. I went to watch Warrington Town a few times though. Good little club. Yep we go to Warrington Town sometimes - when there's no Stoke game. It makes a change from everything that goes with following teams higher up the league pyramid. Although the problems are similar - we went to an open Q&A session with the chairman a few weeks ago, which was an eye-opener into the day-to-day challenges of running a non-league semi-pro club. Some of the salary budgets for clubs playing a couple of levels below "the Conference" are eye-watering! And I can only imagine its getting tougher for them with Rylands emerging and I think they spend a shit ton. Good little club though were Warrington I thought, love the ground location and always were doing alright when we watched them.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Mar 15, 2022 13:04:20 GMT
Yep we go to Warrington Town sometimes - when there's no Stoke game. It makes a change from everything that goes with following teams higher up the league pyramid. Although the problems are similar - we went to an open Q&A session with the chairman a few weeks ago, which was an eye-opener into the day-to-day challenges of running a non-league semi-pro club. Some of the salary budgets for clubs playing a couple of levels below "the Conference" are eye-watering! And I can only imagine its getting tougher for them with Rylands emerging and I think they spend a shit ton. Good little club though were Warrington I thought, love the ground location and always were doing alright when we watched them. Right by the Ship Canal - really odd/funny when there's a cargo ship chugging past the main stand They were minutes from getting into National League North about 3 years ago - losing to Kings Lynn in a play-off, who've gone onto the NL after another promotion. The chairman was playing it cool, but Rylands are clearly set on being "the" Warrington team. Rooney's agent is the money man and they have grand plans for the ground as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2022 13:11:09 GMT
And I can only imagine its getting tougher for them with Rylands emerging and I think they spend a shit ton. Good little club though were Warrington I thought, love the ground location and always were doing alright when we watched them. Right by the Ship Canal - really odd/funny when there's a cargo ship chugging past the main stand They were minutes from getting into National League North about 3 years ago - losing to Kings Lynn in a play-off, who've gone onto the NL after another promotion. The chairman was playing it cool, but Rylands are clearly set on being "the" Warrington team. Rooney's agent is the money man and they have grand plans for the ground as well. It's a shame for them because they are that little bit of out of the way with where they are and that won't help either despite it being a lovely location. I hope they fail but I don't think they will with the money they've got backing them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 18:18:32 GMT
Why do people think that a Foreign manager is sure to be better than a British one. No manager comes with a guarantee. Ranieri won the league with Leicester and is also joint most sacked foreign manager. I think is mainly one lunatic to be honest. He has a thing about German men in tracksuits I think.
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