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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 6, 2022 14:10:09 GMT
How come Chelsea haven't been seized like the assets of other Russian oligarchs? That would be interesting.
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Post by Rose City Potter on Mar 6, 2022 14:24:16 GMT
I used to work with an old boy who had been going Chelsea since the 60s. He was never really happy about Roman Abramovich owning the club and was worried that they would become the next Manu. Plastic fans and just a corporate badge. He always said that it would end in tears. He might be right. I feel for supporters like him not arrogant plastic fans who think they deserve to be there.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 6, 2022 14:30:59 GMT
Have Haas sacked their driver solely because he is Russian? I understood that part of the problem was that his dad is a Russian billionaire whose Russian company sponsors the Haas team. His dad's company had to be removed as a sponsor and sanctioned as part of the EU, UK and American Sanctions against Russia. That left the son and Haas in an almost impossible position as regards him working for the team. Isn't he also a terrible driver? I suspect he wanted to be a F1 driver so daddy sponsored a team on condition his son got to drive. Yes, he's never looked much good to me. As a poster earlier on the thread has said, HAAS are probably delighted that the anti Russian sanctions leading to his father's firm being removed as a sponsor, has given them the opportunity to bring in a better driver.
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Post by Northy on Mar 6, 2022 14:33:54 GMT
What is actually wrong with Abramovich? Even if he is sleeping with Mr Putin and doesn't mind watching innocent women and children blown to smithereens why won't he at least come out and say 'shelling Europe's largest nuclear power plant is criminal insanity' ? I can't work out if he is just on board with it all or if he fears he will be next for some novichok in his tea, any thoughts? He may get a visit from a couple of Cathedral enthusiasts if he is outspoken against Putin
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2022 23:02:28 GMT
I understand their support for him and backing him as he isn't responsible and let's not tar all Russians as a few have said but what a stupid way to do it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 6, 2022 23:04:52 GMT
A little off topic the Chelsea fans here but not all this is right surly, I just saw that a F1 side have sacked there driver basically because he is Russian, I t spears that simply being Russian is now a crime, and that’s dangerous we are now saying it’s ok to judge someone on something a simple of nationality and if so where do we draw the line. I have known a Russian girl for a long time and she has always been a very kind and generous person, that hasn’t changed. What I am trying to say is we know what Putin is doing is horrendous but you can’t judge everyone the same we can’t ignore the Russians who have gone out and protested against the war, that is a very dangerous thing to do in a country like Russia, I hope this reads as I intend it to I just want to know other peoples views and feelings on this Isn’t it because he pays for his drive and won’t be able to pay and is a shit driver that was only given a spot because of money?
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 7, 2022 0:17:46 GMT
Isn't he also a terrible driver? I suspect he wanted to be a F1 driver so daddy sponsored a team on condition his son got to drive. Yes, he's never looked much good to me. As a poster earlier on the thread has said, HAAS are probably delighted that the anti Russian sanctions leading to his father's firm being removed as a sponsor, has given them the opportunity to bring in a better driver. Not really, I imagine. Uralkali were a major sponsor pumping lots of money into the team. Without that funding, Haas could be seriously handicapped unless they find another sponsor.
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Post by upthefud on Mar 7, 2022 1:03:01 GMT
Interesting thread.
I'm trying to imagine how I'd feel if we'd been taken over by a Russian superpower and were now one of the world's best teams.
Chelsea fans picked the wrong minute to do it, that was stupid, maybe the 20th minute for his 20 years or whatever it is?
As has being said, him being a Russian isn't a crime. What the Russian regime is doing is utterly horrific, but as of yet there's no evidence to suggest Abramovic supports it?
I understand why they'd support him personally, I don't think they were intending to show report for the Putin regime.
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Post by jaybee on Mar 7, 2022 5:52:38 GMT
What the Russian regime is doing is utterly horrific, but as of yet there's no evidence to suggest Abramovic supports it? ... and there's certainly no evidence that he opposes it!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 7, 2022 9:17:49 GMT
What the Russian regime is doing is utterly horrific, but as of yet there's no evidence to suggest Abramovic supports it? ... and there's certainly no evidence that he opposes it! Agreed. It wouldn't take much for him to say that he doesn't think Russia should be invading its neighbour. I reckon hundreds of millions of people around the world are saying that every day.
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Post by Gods on Mar 7, 2022 9:46:04 GMT
... and there's certainly no evidence that he opposes it! Agreed. It wouldn't take much for him to say that he doesn't think Russia should be invading its neighbour. I reckon hundreds of millions of people around the world are saying that every day. He's definitely avoiding saying anything which might upset Putin. But when his mate is bombing 40 million people in to the dark ages and threatening the world with nuclear armagedon the moment may be here for him to get off the fence and show some backbone.
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Post by 1982stokie on Mar 7, 2022 13:03:24 GMT
A little off topic the Chelsea fans here but not all this is right surly, I just saw that a F1 side have sacked there driver basically because he is Russian, I t spears that simply being Russian is now a crime, and that’s dangerous we are now saying it’s ok to judge someone on something a simple of nationality and if so where do we draw the line. I have known a Russian girl for a long time and she has always been a very kind and generous person, that hasn’t changed. What I am trying to say is we know what Putin is doing is horrendous but you can’t judge everyone the same we can’t ignore the Russians who have gone out and protested against the war, that is a very dangerous thing to do in a country like Russia, I hope this reads as I intend it to I just want to know other peoples views and feelings on this Isn’t it because he pays for his drive and won’t be able to pay and is a shit driver that was only given a spot because of money? Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 7, 2022 13:21:44 GMT
Isn’t it because he pays for his drive and won’t be able to pay and is a shit driver that was only given a spot because of money? Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad, I agree and that’s not a good mindset and one thankfully that isn’t happening too much so far from what I’ve seen. I think this instance though is just an example of the sanctions hitting.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 7, 2022 13:23:59 GMT
Isn’t it because he pays for his drive and won’t be able to pay and is a shit driver that was only given a spot because of money? Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad, That's not what's happening here though.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 7, 2022 13:29:31 GMT
Isn’t it because he pays for his drive and won’t be able to pay and is a shit driver that was only given a spot because of money? Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad, I think any reasonably minded person would agree that a person should not be punished, or discriminated based on their nationality. With this particular case, there is not much evidence of discrimination against Abramovich based on his nationality. Cant comment on F1 drivers. He's not really suffering at anyone's hands anyway, the fact that he can sell off his club for a few billion at his own leisure doesn't exactly put him in the victim category. Any criticism he does get seems to be on the basis that he has so far not taken up the opportunity to express any criticism towards this violent and murderous attack on innocent Ukrainians despite holding a very influential position and someone who has benefitted greatly from this country.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2022 17:26:16 GMT
Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad, I think any reasonably minded person would agree that a person should not be punished, or discriminated based on their nationality. With this particular case, there is not much evidence of discrimination against Abramovich based on his nationality. Cant comment on F1 drivers. He's not really suffering at anyone's hands anyway, the fact that he can sell off his club for a few billion at his own leisure doesn't exactly put him in the victim category. Any criticism he does get seems to be on the basis that he has so far not taken up the opportunity to express any criticism towards this violent and murderous attack on innocent Ukrainians despite holding a very influential position and someone who has benefitted greatly from this country. Agree and as far as Abramovich is concerned there isn't a need for him to comment for me. I could see why some would perhaps pressure him to do so but sometimes not getting involved is the best way. It's not a footballing issue and he isn't responsible for the actions of Putin etc
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Post by Goonie on Mar 7, 2022 20:01:56 GMT
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Post by 1982stokie on Mar 8, 2022 13:06:36 GMT
Really not sure as to his ability and just used him as an example, my overall point seems to be the mentality of anyone who is Russian is bad, I think any reasonably minded person would agree that a person should not be punished, or discriminated based on their nationality. With this particular case, there is not much evidence of discrimination against Abramovich based on his nationality. Cant comment on F1 drivers. He's not really suffering at anyone's hands anyway, the fact that he can sell off his club for a few billion at his own leisure doesn't exactly put him in the victim category. Any criticism he does get seems to be on the basis that he has so far not taken up the opportunity to express any criticism towards this violent and murderous attack on innocent Ukrainians despite holding a very influential position and someone who has benefitted greatly from this country. One point I will make Re Abramovich not Being critical is historically being critical of Russian policy is not always good for someone’s health and well-being and that of any family members,
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Post by Boothen on Mar 8, 2022 13:44:08 GMT
I still don't understand how he managed to buy the club in the first place, did nobody bother to check where his money came from and how many people were murdered in order for him to attain his wealth?
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 8, 2022 13:58:20 GMT
I think any reasonably minded person would agree that a person should not be punished, or discriminated based on their nationality. With this particular case, there is not much evidence of discrimination against Abramovich based on his nationality. Cant comment on F1 drivers. He's not really suffering at anyone's hands anyway, the fact that he can sell off his club for a few billion at his own leisure doesn't exactly put him in the victim category. Any criticism he does get seems to be on the basis that he has so far not taken up the opportunity to express any criticism towards this violent and murderous attack on innocent Ukrainians despite holding a very influential position and someone who has benefitted greatly from this country. One point I will make Re Abramovich not Being critical is historically being critical of Russian policy is not always good for someone’s health and well-being and that of any family members, that's very true.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 15:18:34 GMT
One point I will make Re Abramovich not Being critical is historically being critical of Russian policy is not always good for someone’s health and well-being and that of any family members, that's very true. Let's not forget that Abramovich comes from a Ukrainian family also so maybe doing the right thing
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2022 9:30:36 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 10, 2022 9:31:29 GMT
Blimey
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 10, 2022 9:34:15 GMT
I get they need to sanction Abramovitch and it should have happened sooner but surely they should be allowed to function as usual?
Just put the money in a pot for the club that he can't get to and carry on?
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 10, 2022 9:36:09 GMT
No ticket sales = no fans at next round of champions league ?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2022 9:40:06 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 10, 2022 9:55:46 GMT
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 10, 2022 10:07:00 GMT
No ticket sales = no fans at next round of champions league ? I presume they could let them in for free?
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Post by threepoints on Mar 10, 2022 10:07:47 GMT
Presumably Chelsea season ticket holders won't be able to renew their tickets for next season?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 10, 2022 10:11:55 GMT
No ticket sales = no fans at next round of champions league ? I presume they could let them in for free? A very interesting point. You’d assume yes. No away fans as well. Could be an advantage.
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