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Post by hstoke on Feb 24, 2022 7:34:12 GMT
On the nail it’s worth listening to makes a difference when he’s got a good coaching staff behind him
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Post by caine on Feb 24, 2022 7:48:01 GMT
Anyone who misses him or his interviews needs there hard drive checking. He would say what he said, we would be In league one if he was still here! He’s in charge of a tin pot club, a league one squad and over achieving. Fair play to him, rowett also doing a good job. But those pair deserved to be sacked and Oneil isn’t far behind if things carry on the same until the end of the season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 7:50:01 GMT
Was expecting the kind of chest-beating horlicks he used to give here when he won the odd one in 10 but it's actually a pretty considered and reasonable appraisal.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Feb 24, 2022 8:00:47 GMT
I was actually shocked, given how virtuous Jones usually comes across, at how they played the dark arts last night.
The feigning injury and time wasting was as bad as our friends that we visit on Saturday
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 24, 2022 8:13:48 GMT
Anyone who misses him or his interviews needs there hard drive checking. He would say what he said, we would be In league one if he was still here! He’s in charge of a tin pot club, a league one squad and over achieving. Fair play to him, rowett also doing a good job. But those pair deserved to be sacked and Oneil isn’t far behind if things carry on the same until the end of the season. I'm pretty sure no one misses him
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 24, 2022 8:34:08 GMT
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Post by wuzza on Feb 24, 2022 8:34:12 GMT
It was a hard nosed pragmatic interview that followed a similar performance from his team. None of the flowery nonsense that he used to produce here. The bloke has probably learned and grown as a manager. No reason for us to take any offence just take on board the comments and try to address them.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 24, 2022 8:41:18 GMT
I think his parting comments were fair and probably how a lot of us have felt based on what was being produced at the time and under his predecessor.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 24, 2022 8:43:54 GMT
I think this bit in the Sentinel sums it up
He said: “I tried to implement that here but I have categorically different groups. The group I left at Luton and the group I had now are categorically different to the group I came to at Stoke. You saw a Nathan Jones team. I’m super proud of that team. It’s not often I could say that when I was here.
“We’ve got 20-25 excellent players. Humble, reasonably paid, no egos, no big stars, just got a way of doing stuff, a structure and a humility. They buy into everything and accept adversity. When a decision goes against them they go forward.
“When a manager leaves them out they accept it, no one sulks, no one moans, no one downs tools, no one turns up late for training, no one plays for the money. It’s a great group.
“I can’t remember doing a press conference in this building with the pride I have now.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 24, 2022 8:47:58 GMT
Twitchy as fuck, he needs something to calm him down.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 8:49:29 GMT
I think this but in the Sentinel sums it up He said: “I tried to implement that here but I have categorically different groups. The group I left at Luton and the group I had now are categorically different to the group I came to at Stoke. You saw a Nathan Jones team. I’m super proud of that team. It’s not often I could say that when I was here. “We’ve got 20-25 excellent players. Humble, reasonably paid, no egos, no big stars, just got a way of doing stuff, a structure and a humility. They buy into everything and accept adversity. When a decision goes against them they go forward. “When a manager leaves them out they accept it, no one sulks, no one moans, no one downs tools, no one turns up late for training, no one plays for the money. It’s a great group. “I can’t remember doing a press conference in this building with the pride I have now. I have limited sympathy with that to be honest. For a bloke who's said he wants to manage Barcelona one day, he can't expect to never have to deal with egos. Good managers have to do that. He also added further to that dung heap with his own shit signings that were total unsuited to how he supposedly wanted to play. Credit to him for the job he's doing there, some managers and clubs are clearly suited to each other and he's doing brilliantly for them.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 24, 2022 8:51:54 GMT
I think this but in the Sentinel sums it up He said: “I tried to implement that here but I have categorically different groups. The group I left at Luton and the group I had now are categorically different to the group I came to at Stoke. You saw a Nathan Jones team. I’m super proud of that team. It’s not often I could say that when I was here. “We’ve got 20-25 excellent players. Humble, reasonably paid, no egos, no big stars, just got a way of doing stuff, a structure and a humility. They buy into everything and accept adversity. When a decision goes against them they go forward. “When a manager leaves them out they accept it, no one sulks, no one moans, no one downs tools, no one turns up late for training, no one plays for the money. It’s a great group. “I can’t remember doing a press conference in this building with the pride I have now. I have limited sympathy with that to be honest. For a bloke who's said he wants to manage Barcelona one day, he can't expect to never have to deal with egos. Good managers have to do that. He also added further to that dung heap with his own shit signings that were total unsuited to how he supposedly wanted to play. Credit to him for the job he's doing there, some managers and clubs are clearly suited to each other and he's doing brilliantly for them. I agree with that Rob and I’m convinced as I’ve said all along that Mick Harford is the man that he missed in his time here
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 24, 2022 10:21:44 GMT
Unfortunately a lot of what he said and what he hinted at is true. We had a good set of players last night what was missing was desire and passion.
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Post by twobanksoffour on Feb 24, 2022 10:36:31 GMT
He seems to have conveniently forgotten that he signed an entire new team, at not inconsiderable expense, during his tenure here, so if he couldn't put out a team that he could motivate or be proud of, then he's at least partly culpable.
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Post by tuum on Feb 24, 2022 11:19:33 GMT
That cunt took my club back 10 years. He can fuck off and when he gets there he can fuck off again. No he didn't. You are blaming the wrong horse there. He did not perform for us but to suggest he was responsible for setting us back 10 years is just emotional nonsense.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2022 11:34:36 GMT
That cunt took my club back 10 years. He can fuck off and when he gets there he can fuck off again. No he didn't. You are blaming the wrong horse there. He did not perform for us but to suggest he was responsible for setting us back 10 years is just emotional nonsense. So thats 10 years back courtesy of Jones 10 years back courtesy of Rowett 10 years back courtesy of Hughes ...and MON? Anyone going to be around when start moving forward again?
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2022 11:49:39 GMT
I think this but in the Sentinel sums it up He said: “I tried to implement that here but I have categorically different groups. The group I left at Luton and the group I had now are categorically different to the group I came to at Stoke. You saw a Nathan Jones team. I’m super proud of that team. It’s not often I could say that when I was here. “We’ve got 20-25 excellent players. Humble, reasonably paid, no egos, no big stars, just got a way of doing stuff, a structure and a humility. They buy into everything and accept adversity. When a decision goes against them they go forward. “When a manager leaves them out they accept it, no one sulks, no one moans, no one downs tools, no one turns up late for training, no one plays for the money. It’s a great group. “I can’t remember doing a press conference in this building with the pride I have now. I have limited sympathy with that to be honest. For a bloke who's said he wants to manage Barcelona one day, he can't expect to never have to deal with egos. Good managers have to do that. He also added further to that dung heap with his own shit signings that were total unsuited to how he supposedly wanted to play. Credit to him for the job he's doing there, some managers and clubs are clearly suited to each other and he's doing brilliantly for them. Don't disagree with having to deal with egos if you manage a top club but if he was having to manage them at Stoke at that point in time he's saying what I always thought - there were some massively over-inflated egos. Who exactly in that squad thought they had done enough to be priveleged? The disgusting thing for me in those comments is something I've been told Rowett had to deal with too - turning up late for training and downing tools. These players were on better wages than the rest of the Championship and were not doing the minimum requirements of their job description but because they were 'assets' we didn't dare take proper disciplinary action against them. What can a manager honestly do in that situation?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 11:52:28 GMT
I have limited sympathy with that to be honest. For a bloke who's said he wants to manage Barcelona one day, he can't expect to never have to deal with egos. Good managers have to do that. He also added further to that dung heap with his own shit signings that were total unsuited to how he supposedly wanted to play. Credit to him for the job he's doing there, some managers and clubs are clearly suited to each other and he's doing brilliantly for them. Don't disagree with having to deal with egos if you manage a top club but if he was having to manage them at Stoke at that point in time he's saying what I always thought - there were some massively over-inflated egos. Who exactly in that squad thought they had done enough to be priveleged? The disgusting thing for me in those comments is something I've been told Rowett had to deal with - turning up late for training and downing tools. These players were on better wages than the rest of the Championship and were not doing the minimum requirements of their job description but because they were 'assets' we didn't dare take proper disciplinary action against them. What can a manager honestly do in that situation? I'd be interested to know who specifically that related to with Rowett, particularly since one of the few things he had going for him was getting half a tune out of Berahino and many of the problems being of his own making. I take your point about egos but they're inevitable at a club our size having just spent 10 years in the premier league, rightly or wrongly. They need to be managed and it was naive of him in the extreme if he thought they'd buy into him immediately in the way his Luton charges did.
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Post by onionman on Feb 24, 2022 11:57:30 GMT
No he didn't. You are blaming the wrong horse there. He did not perform for us but to suggest he was responsible for setting us back 10 years is just emotional nonsense. So thats 10 years back courtesy of Jones 10 years back courtesy of Rowett 10 years back courtesy of Hughes ...and MON? Anyone going to be around when start moving forward again? Factor in MON and Lambert and we could be back in 1972, so it’s not all bad.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 24, 2022 11:57:35 GMT
Surely there can't be many ego's left from before MON turned up? He's pretty much signed an entire new squad at a considerable hidden cost no doubt!
Out of a senior squad of 31 players, there are only 8 or 9 senior-ish players that were here before he joined, with a few kids dotted around.
He's signed 19 of this current squad, with a 20th out on loan at Cardiff!
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2022 11:58:30 GMT
This is a telling comment and perhaps should make fans think twice before booing at half time:'the crowd pretty much turned we felt at half-time, without being disrespectful, at half-time and we knew that was the first stepping stone' It shows how not only does booing demotivate our own players it also motivates the opposition. Yes Stoke were rubbish and pathetic last night but just perhaps as supporters as opposed to audience we were responsible in some small way for that result. And before you mock that statement it comes from the mouth of the opposition manager who used it to motivate his team to come out even stronger.
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Post by RF10 on Feb 24, 2022 12:01:21 GMT
Surely there can't be many ego's left from before MON turned up? He's pretty much signed an entire new squad at a considerable hidden cost no doubt! Out of a senior squad of 31 players, there are only 8 or 9 senior-ish players that were here before he joined, with a few kids dotted around. He's signed 19 of this current squad, with a 20th out on loan at Cardiff! The comment MON made about maybe not having players for the aggression side of the game iritated me. He's had time to bring players in to suit.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2022 12:02:19 GMT
Don't disagree with having to deal with egos if you manage a top club but if he was having to manage them at Stoke at that point in time he's saying what I always thought - there were some massively over-inflated egos. Who exactly in that squad thought they had done enough to be priveleged? The disgusting thing for me in those comments is something I've been told Rowett had to deal with - turning up late for training and downing tools. These players were on better wages than the rest of the Championship and were not doing the minimum requirements of their job description but because they were 'assets' we didn't dare take proper disciplinary action against them. What can a manager honestly do in that situation? I'd be interested to know who specifically that related to with Rowett, particularly since one of the few things he had going for him was getting half a tune out of Berahino and many of the problems being of his own making. I take your point about egos but they're inevitable at a club our size having just spent 10 years in the premier league, rightly or wrongly. They need to be managed and it was naive of him in the extreme if he thought they'd buy into him immediately in the way his Luton charges did. I was told by a family friend of his from Derby who said 'the whole lot of them'. I'm sure it wasn't but if you could have seen her face when she called them 'despicable' you would know that they made Rowett's time at Stoke very stressful.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 24, 2022 12:03:22 GMT
Surely there can't be many ego's left from before MON turned up? He's pretty much signed an entire new squad at a considerable hidden cost no doubt! Out of a senior squad of 31 players, there are only 8 or 9 senior-ish players that were here before he joined, with a few kids dotted around. He's signed 19 of this current squad, with a 20th out on loan at Cardiff! The comment MON made about maybe not having players for the aggression side of the game iritated me. He's had time to bring players in to suit. It should more than irritate people. When he was asked about why he didn't bring in a destroyer in midfield he said the game was moving away from that and he had no appetite for it, yet last night he mentioned we perhaps don't have the players in the building for a battle. Yeah, no shit Mick.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2022 12:07:05 GMT
So thats 10 years back courtesy of Jones 10 years back courtesy of Rowett 10 years back courtesy of Hughes ...and MON? Anyone going to be around when start moving forward again? Factor in MON and Lambert and we could be back in 1972, so it’s not all bad. sounds like a plan!!!
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 24, 2022 12:13:55 GMT
Don't disagree with having to deal with egos if you manage a top club but if he was having to manage them at Stoke at that point in time he's saying what I always thought - there were some massively over-inflated egos. Who exactly in that squad thought they had done enough to be priveleged? The disgusting thing for me in those comments is something I've been told Rowett had to deal with - turning up late for training and downing tools. These players were on better wages than the rest of the Championship and were not doing the minimum requirements of their job description but because they were 'assets' we didn't dare take proper disciplinary action against them. What can a manager honestly do in that situation? I'd be interested to know who specifically that related to with Rowett, particularly since one of the few things he had going for him was getting half a tune out of Berahino and many of the problems being of his own making. I take your point about egos but they're inevitable at a club our size having just spent 10 years in the premier league, rightly or wrongly. They need to be managed and it was naive of him in the extreme if he thought they'd buy into him immediately in the way his Luton charges did. It is possible you can go into a job thinking you can manage a situation and then find out that you can't. He might have thought at the time he was strong enough to take on those egos and then find he couldn't Good managers do suffer because of player unrest. In Sheffield, it's common knowledge that Wilder completely lost the dressing room at Sheffield United after all that he done for that club and many of those players. In the end the board sided with the players they had no choice and Wilder couldn't get a tune out of them. This is a very good, seemingly strong, successful manager who was hung out to dry by his players, including the ones he had brought in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 12:16:44 GMT
I'd be interested to know who specifically that related to with Rowett, particularly since one of the few things he had going for him was getting half a tune out of Berahino and many of the problems being of his own making. I take your point about egos but they're inevitable at a club our size having just spent 10 years in the premier league, rightly or wrongly. They need to be managed and it was naive of him in the extreme if he thought they'd buy into him immediately in the way his Luton charges did. I was told by a family friend of his from Derby who said 'the whole lot of them'. I'm sure it wasn't but if you could have seen her face when she called them 'despicable' you would know that they made Rowett's time at Stoke very stressful. Interesting, presumably that includes 'model professional Joe Allen' and the £50m of tat he bought himself? Rowett didn't do himself any favours, he's responsible for making things markedly worse.
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 24, 2022 12:18:47 GMT
No he didn't. You are blaming the wrong horse there. He did not perform for us but to suggest he was responsible for setting us back 10 years is just emotional nonsense. So thats 10 years back courtesy of Jones 10 years back courtesy of Rowett 10 years back courtesy of Hughes ...and MON? Anyone going to be around when start moving forward again? If we go back any further, the roof will be blowing off the boothen end any time now
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 24, 2022 12:19:07 GMT
I'd be interested to know who specifically that related to with Rowett, particularly since one of the few things he had going for him was getting half a tune out of Berahino and many of the problems being of his own making. I take your point about egos but they're inevitable at a club our size having just spent 10 years in the premier league, rightly or wrongly. They need to be managed and it was naive of him in the extreme if he thought they'd buy into him immediately in the way his Luton charges did. It is possible you can go into a job thinking you can manage a situation and then find out that you can't. He might have thought at the time he was strong enough to take on those egos and then find he couldn't Good managers do suffer because of player unrest. In Sheffield, it's common knowledge that Wilder completely lost the dressing room at Sheffield United after all that he done for that club and many of those players. In the end the board sided with the players they had no choice and Wilder couldn't get a tune out of them. This is a very good, seemingly strong, successful manager who was hung out to dry by his players, including the ones he had brought in. Was Wilder hung out to dry, or did they just get sick of him chucking them under the bus publicly every week? You can only do that a limited number of times as a manager, he was doing it every week. Rowett's own man-management was similarly appalling and you really have to be able to walk the walk if you're going to take that approach, rather than, say, setting up at home to Rotherham as if you're Guam away to Brazil.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 24, 2022 12:21:56 GMT
I was told by a family friend of his from Derby who said 'the whole lot of them'. I'm sure it wasn't but if you could have seen her face when she called them 'despicable' you would know that they made Rowett's time at Stoke very stressful. Interesting, presumably that includes 'model professional Joe Allen' and the £50m of tat he bought himself? Rowett didn't do himself any favours, he's responsible for making things markedly worse. To be honest if he was professional which he probably was I doubt if Rowett named names and even if he did I don't think they would have meant anything to her.
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