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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 13:41:30 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 13:41:30 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos. There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned. There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt. Spot on, any semi competent manager with that budget would have got us straight back up, Rowett is the true reason why were are consigned to championship football for the foreseeable future We were solid favourites with a budget to be absolutely feared. That season in the Championship was just garbage and Rowett laid the foundations for our current situation. We easily should have gone back up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 13:43:13 GMT
Spot on, any semi competent manager with that budget would have got us straight back up, Rowett is the true reason why were are consigned to championship football for the foreseeable future We were solid favourites with a budget to be absolutely feared. That season in the Championship was just garbage and Rowett laid the foundations for our current situation. We easily should have gone back up. I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 6, 2022 13:47:26 GMT
There were very few, if any, who at the time were not pleased when we kept hold of Butland and Allen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 13:50:30 GMT
There were very few, if any, who at the time were not pleased when we kept hold of Butland and Allen. Very true. Means fuck all though. About 10,000 fans applauded the players off when we got relegated. That was sheer stupidity too.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2022 14:00:07 GMT
We were solid favourites with a budget to be absolutely feared. That season in the Championship was just garbage and Rowett laid the foundations for our current situation. We easily should have gone back up. I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up. This is pretty much spot on in my opinion. £25-£30m the pair would have been fair. That said the whole dressing room needed clearing out and we'd already signed the leeches who led to any gains made over nearly a decade in the top flight being thrown away. Nathan Jones, Gary Rowett, Paul Lambert et al are testament to the boards inability to continually plan for the long term. We've never been ready to rapidly respond to a significant change in circumstance. Chuck money at it and hope for the best. They're no better than the gamblers who bet365 make their money off.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 18:26:30 GMT
We were solid favourites with a budget to be absolutely feared. That season in the Championship was just garbage and Rowett laid the foundations for our current situation. We easily should have gone back up. I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up. Butland was due a change in form. It's incredible just how far his stock has dropped. I was convinced he would be the best in the league.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 18:29:20 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 18:29:20 GMT
I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up. Butland was due a change in form. It's incredible just how far his stock has dropped. I was convinced he would be the best in the league. Was he? Why? He’d clearly lost it. No confidence and dropping clanger after clanger and that only continued. Mentally he was gone and there was no coming back from that here.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2022 18:31:11 GMT
We were solid favourites with a budget to be absolutely feared. That season in the Championship was just garbage and Rowett laid the foundations for our current situation. We easily should have gone back up. I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up. A bit of wishful thinking and romanticism at play I think. It backfired badly.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 18:37:23 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 18:37:23 GMT
I disagree. We kept our two worst players and that was the biggest issue. We tried to build around them too and that was just stupid. We then gave one of them an improved contract. That was suicide. The moment we kept Butland and Allen there wasn’t a chance we’d go up. A bit of wishful thinking and romanticism at play I think. It backfired badly. It was. I get it with Allen. He should rip this league apart but just doesn’t. Butland never made any sense on the pitch.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 18:42:02 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2022 18:42:02 GMT
A bit of wishful thinking and romanticism at play I think. It backfired badly. It was. I get it with Allen. He should rip this league apart but just doesn’t. Butland never made any sense on the pitch. I think with keepers you hope they’ll find form but they very rarely do after a string of poor performances. He was great until the injury and for whatever reason turned into a keeper who wouldn’t look out of place in the Vanarama. Unfortunate but we played him for far too long. I’m not particularly anti Allen and he’s put in some ok performances this season but we definitely should have cashed in
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 18:46:02 GMT
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Post by lordb on Feb 6, 2022 18:46:02 GMT
It was. I get it with Allen. He should rip this league apart but just doesn’t. Butland never made any sense on the pitch. I think with keepers you hope they’ll find form but they very rarely do after a string of poor performances. He was great until the injury and for whatever reason turned into a keeper who wouldn’t look out of place in the Vanarama. Unfortunate but we played him for far too long. I’m not particularly anti Allen and he’s put in some ok performances this season but we definitely should have cashed in We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 18:47:59 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 6, 2022 18:47:59 GMT
I think with keepers you hope they’ll find form but they very rarely do after a string of poor performances. He was great until the injury and for whatever reason turned into a keeper who wouldn’t look out of place in the Vanarama. Unfortunate but we played him for far too long. I’m not particularly anti Allen and he’s put in some ok performances this season but we definitely should have cashed in We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation Me neither but there must have been you’d think?
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Post by lordb on Feb 6, 2022 18:50:56 GMT
We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation Me neither but there must have been you’d think? If there was absolutely everyone kept it quiet So many errors after relegation New Contracts for some Win bonuses scrapped Rowett appalling transfer moves Rowett not using Bojan and Diouf Anyway water under the bridge
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 19:49:41 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 19:49:41 GMT
Butland was due a change in form. It's incredible just how far his stock has dropped. I was convinced he would be the best in the league. Was he? Why? He’d clearly lost it. No confidence and dropping clanger after clanger and that only continued. Mentally he was gone and there was no coming back from that here. It is possible to find it again...
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 19:57:01 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 19:57:01 GMT
Was he? Why? He’d clearly lost it. No confidence and dropping clanger after clanger and that only continued. Mentally he was gone and there was no coming back from that here. It is possible to find it again... With goalkeepers though it’s hard. His head wasn’t in the right place here. He had to be let go. And this isn’t hindsight either. I was saying it at the time.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 20:27:27 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 20:27:27 GMT
It is possible to find it again... With goalkeepers though it’s hard. His head wasn’t in the right place here. He had to be let go. And this isn’t hindsight either. I was saying it at the time. 28 now and career absolutely dead. Sad really.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2022 20:35:08 GMT
Butland was due a change in form. It's incredible just how far his stock has dropped. I was convinced he would be the best in the league. Was he? Why? He’d clearly lost it. No confidence and dropping clanger after clanger and that only continued. Mentally he was gone and there was no coming back from that here. He was spoilt playing behind a defence of reasonable quality when he first started out for us. Once that started to be taken apart he didn't get the same protection he'd previously received. Once he was exposed then reality hit in my opinion.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2022 20:36:08 GMT
A bit of wishful thinking and romanticism at play I think. It backfired badly. It was. I get it with Allen. He should rip this league apart but just doesn’t. Butland never made any sense on the pitch. We had no need to sign Allen in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2022 20:40:27 GMT
It was. I get it with Allen. He should rip this league apart but just doesn’t. Butland never made any sense on the pitch. We had no need to sign Allen in the first place. The sad thing is we ended up with a player who was after a club, not a club that was after a player.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 12, 2022 22:44:49 GMT
Those Tennis balls🤣
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 12, 2022 22:46:54 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 13, 2022 19:38:10 GMT
This lad is completely and utterly deluded and probably sectionable!
Living in his head must be like 24/7 bungee jumping
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 13, 2022 20:11:13 GMT
He's a complete loon but a passionate loon that cares, doing an absolutely fantastic job at Luton.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 14, 2022 10:44:43 GMT
Was he? Why? He’d clearly lost it. No confidence and dropping clanger after clanger and that only continued. Mentally he was gone and there was no coming back from that here. He was spoilt playing behind a defence of reasonable quality when he first started out for us. Once that started to be taken apart he didn't get the same protection he'd previously received. Once he was exposed then reality hit in my opinion. Sorry but he was incredible until that ankle injury Shite afterwards, but it’s unfair to pretend we didn’t have a top 7 GK for a couple of seasons
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 14, 2022 11:06:05 GMT
I think with keepers you hope they’ll find form but they very rarely do after a string of poor performances. He was great until the injury and for whatever reason turned into a keeper who wouldn’t look out of place in the Vanarama. Unfortunate but we played him for far too long. I’m not particularly anti Allen and he’s put in some ok performances this season but we definitely should have cashed in We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation Why wait until after you get relgated. We have made a habbit of holding onto players too long. Always sell them at the top of their value range no one is irreplaceable.
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Mad Nath
Feb 14, 2022 11:25:29 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 14, 2022 11:25:29 GMT
We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation Why wait until after you get relgated. We have made a habbit of holding onto players too long. Always sell them at the top of their value range no one is irreplaceable. Because we're utterly useless at long term planning? Other clubs stole the march on us by preparing for the next move before it's even happened.
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Post by klingon on Feb 14, 2022 11:29:33 GMT
He is undeniably "eccentric". Here's his back tattoo (one of many). I suspect that Michelangelo will not feel threatened, and is unlikely to claim "copyright"...........
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Post by thevoid on Feb 14, 2022 11:30:17 GMT
He's still got a better grip on reality than that banjo strumming mutant Steve Cooper
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 14, 2022 11:34:11 GMT
We could only do that if anyone made us an offer Not aware of any bids for either player post relegation Why wait until after you get relgated. We have made a habbit of holding onto players too long. Always sell them at the top of their value range no one is irreplaceable. Let's face it though fans are generally very disgruntled if a team sells a player at the peak of their value because that will be the time when they are producing the goods. Selling a player who is producing the goods is always seen by fans as lack of ambition.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 14, 2022 11:36:49 GMT
Why wait until after you get relgated. We have made a habbit of holding onto players too long. Always sell them at the top of their value range no one is irreplaceable. Because we're utterly useless at long term planning? Other clubs stole the march on us by preparing for the next move before it's even happened. Yup. Players, managers even CEO's. Succession planning is non existant at the club.
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