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Mad Nath
Feb 5, 2022 5:08:06 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 5, 2022 5:08:06 GMT
LG, this is how. It was shocking how many people he took in with his 'pashun' schtick and even moreso how long they fell for it for! He was more transparent than the most polished plate glass window going but the maddening thing was nobody could see through it, or even wanted to such was the desperation for him to succeed in turning it around. As soon as he wrote off the remainder of the season he joined he should have been sacked. He was out of his depth for the situation he found himself in and the boards inability and unwillingness to long term plan for change at the club led to us ending up with him. I thought I'd never despise a bloke more than Cotterill or see a clown bigger than Kamara (who, possibly through the folly of youth, I desperately wanted to succeed) but 'Mad' Nath topped the lot. What a load of crap. Just because he messed up here doesn't me didn't have passion. What I'm saying is that he couldn't get by on 'pashun' alone, but that's what hoodwinked people to his inability to deliver the required results for so long. For some reason I can't explain people appeared blinded by his ridiculous, overblown antics when we managed a draw under him, nevermind a victory. Your post seemed to illustrate that in relation to LGs question really. It's an affliction that seems to spread rapidly, particularly when there's a desperation to cling to any semblance of success, or even just the possibility of turning the corner during a period of perpetual failure. I'm not sure what it is about that type of behaviour that's such a turn on that it blinds people to the obvious unprofessionalism and inadequacy that was evident from almost the outset of his appointment. Unfortunately John Coates and Tony Scholes appeared to have been suffering from the same affliction at that time at least.
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Mad Nath
Feb 5, 2022 7:09:08 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 5, 2022 7:09:08 GMT
The style Though isn't the mean test he's done better than us since he left with less resources and the table shows better than his replacement
That's not to say he shouldn't have left but suggests uts environment not ability I've often argued he's a decent manager às was Hughes both genuine winners so something here was and is materially wrong id suggest one executive change Might just have made a huge difference long term but we desperatel need football k we're in the boardroom look what Richard Smith is achieving off the pitch
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 5, 2022 10:16:57 GMT
Fair play to him, I love his passion. He didn't seem to fit here but his record at Luton is unbelievable. A lot of people put his success down to Mick Hartford assisting him,which he didn't have at Stoke,but has always had at Luton.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Feb 5, 2022 12:07:58 GMT
Absolute prick of epic proportions.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 5, 2022 13:15:17 GMT
Well done to him, just didn't work out here. Tbh he looked ill here at the end, save your hate for Rowett.
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Mad Nath
Feb 5, 2022 13:59:13 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 5, 2022 13:59:13 GMT
Fair play to him, I love his passion. He didn't seem to fit here but his record at Luton is unbelievable. A lot of people put his success down to Mick Hartford assisting him,which he didn't have at Stoke,but has always had at Luton. Harford has been out for a while with an illness. He's very fragile, recovering.
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 5, 2022 18:31:30 GMT
A lot of people put his success down to Mick Hartford assisting him,which he didn't have at Stoke,but has always had at Luton. Harford has been out for a while with an illness. He's very fragile, recovering. Still attending games,he was there when we beat them.He has prostate cancer apparently.
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Mad Nath
Feb 5, 2022 18:34:04 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 5, 2022 18:34:04 GMT
A lot of people put his success down to Mick Hartford assisting him,which he didn't have at Stoke,but has always had at Luton. Harford has been out for a while with an illness. He's very fragile, recovering. He’s back now and was on the pitch after at Swansea the other night
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Mad Nath
Feb 5, 2022 19:03:08 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 5, 2022 19:03:08 GMT
Harford has been out for a while with an illness. He's very fragile, recovering. He’s back now and was on the pitch after at Swansea the other night Yes I know he's back, but he is recovering.
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Post by jokker on Feb 5, 2022 19:37:18 GMT
Some game there today, at least in the first half. Jones has really drilled the team in a way he was never able to here.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 5, 2022 20:02:58 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos.
There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned.
There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 5, 2022 20:03:58 GMT
Some game there today, at least in the first half. Jones has really drilled the team in a way he was never able to here. Egos
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Post by jokker on Feb 6, 2022 7:09:16 GMT
Some game there today, at least in the first half. Jones has really drilled the team in a way he was never able to here. Egos That's a simplification which doesn't really cover it.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 7:43:36 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 7:43:36 GMT
That's a simplification which doesn't really cover it. Not wrong though.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 6, 2022 8:37:16 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos. There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned. There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt. I admire your generosity but I struggle to offer any goodwill in his direction. 100% of nothing is still nothing. Worst manager in our history for me. Certainly in my lifetime and I saw Alan Ball, Chic Bates, Brian Little and Kris Kamara.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 10:22:09 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 6, 2022 10:22:09 GMT
What a load of crap. Just because he messed up here doesn't me didn't have passion. What I'm saying is that he couldn't get by on 'pashun' alone, but that's what hoodwinked people to his inability to deliver the required results for so long. For some reason I can't explain people appeared blinded by his ridiculous, overblown antics when we managed a draw under him, nevermind a victory. Your post seemed to illustrate that in relation to LGs question really. It's an affliction that seems to spread rapidly, particularly when there's a desperation to cling to any semblance of success, or even just the possibility of turning the corner during a period of perpetual failure. I'm not sure what it is about that type of behaviour that's such a turn on that it blinds people to the obvious unprofessionalism and inadequacy that was evident from almost the outset of his appointment. Unfortunately John Coates and Tony Scholes appeared to have been suffering from the same affliction at that time at least. I don't think anyone was hoodwinked, everyone could see an inexperienced manager who was desperate to do well at stoke in a difficult situation. On a human level I've never seen a stoke manager so gutted, so impacted by the way things were going. I liked him and can't see why people would have any animosity to him
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Post by jokker on Feb 6, 2022 10:23:27 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos. There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned. There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt. I admire your generosity but I struggle to offer any goodwill in his direction. 100% of nothing is still nothing. Worst manager in our history for me. Certainly in my lifetime and I saw Alan Ball, Chic Bates, Brian Little and Kris Kamara. You could applaud him for making the club's best signing since Arnie et al: Nick Powell. Even if Jones failed to pick him.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 10:23:33 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 6, 2022 10:23:33 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos. There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned. There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt. Spot on, any semi competent manager with that budget would have got us straight back up, Rowett is the true reason why were are consigned to championship football for the foreseeable future
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 6, 2022 10:24:48 GMT
What I'm saying is that he couldn't get by on 'pashun' alone, but that's what hoodwinked people to his inability to deliver the required results for so long. For some reason I can't explain people appeared blinded by his ridiculous, overblown antics when we managed a draw under him, nevermind a victory. Your post seemed to illustrate that in relation to LGs question really. It's an affliction that seems to spread rapidly, particularly when there's a desperation to cling to any semblance of success, or even just the possibility of turning the corner during a period of perpetual failure. I'm not sure what it is about that type of behaviour that's such a turn on that it blinds people to the obvious unprofessionalism and inadequacy that was evident from almost the outset of his appointment. Unfortunately John Coates and Tony Scholes appeared to have been suffering from the same affliction at that time at least. I don't think anyone was hoodwinked, everyone could see an inexperienced manager who was desperate to do well at stoke in a difficult situation. On a human level I've never seen a stoke manager so gutted, so impacted by the way things were going. I liked him and can't see why people would have any animosity to him You don't think he had narcissistic traits, didn't like to be criticised and thought he was gods gift to football management then ?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 6, 2022 10:28:05 GMT
I don't think anyone was hoodwinked, everyone could see an inexperienced manager who was desperate to do well at stoke in a difficult situation. On a human level I've never seen a stoke manager so gutted, so impacted by the way things were going. I liked him and can't see why people would have any animosity to him You don't think he had narcissistic traits, didn't like to be criticised and thought he was gods gift to football management then ? He made Steve Cotterill look humble.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 10:32:15 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 6, 2022 10:32:15 GMT
You don't think he had narcissistic traits, didn't like to be criticised and thought he was gods gift to football management then ? He made Steve Cotterill look humble. Indeed. The only reason he was so gutted things didn't go to plan wasn't because of the club it was because his personal reputation was in tatters. It's all about him.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 10:44:55 GMT
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Post by RF10 on Feb 6, 2022 10:44:55 GMT
He made Steve Cotterill look humble. Indeed. The only reason he was so gutted things didn't go to plan wasn't because of the club it was because his personal reputation was in tatters. It's all about him. He could have been managing Barcelona by now you know?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 10:47:30 GMT
He could go on to win stuff and he’d still be the worst manager we’ve ever had. The absolute pits.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 12:25:18 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 6, 2022 12:25:18 GMT
He could go on to win stuff and he’d still be the worst manager we’ve ever had. The absolute pits. Not as bad as Rowett
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 12:26:15 GMT
He could go on to win stuff and he’d still be the worst manager we’ve ever had. The absolute pits. Not as bad as Rowett He’s way worse.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 12:28:36 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 6, 2022 12:28:36 GMT
Rowett inherited a squad that only got relegated from the prem because it was mismanaged, he was then given the biggest transfer budget ever given to a manager at this level and made the squad far far worse. You just can't compare the crimes of Nathan Jones to that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 12:33:47 GMT
Rowett inherited a squad that only got relegated from the prem because it was mismanaged, he was then given the biggest transfer budget ever given to a manager at this level and made the squad far far worse. You just can't compare the crimes of Nathan Jones to that. And then mad Nath inherited that and some good Champo players and made us worse. Rowett was bad but Jones also spent 10-12m on Danny fucking Batth and Sam Fucking Vokes. He compunded the mistakes by Rowett and made them worse all over.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 6, 2022 12:49:30 GMT
Rowett inherited a squad that only got relegated from the prem because it was mismanaged, he was then given the biggest transfer budget ever given to a manager at this level and made the squad far far worse. You just can't compare the crimes of Nathan Jones to that. And then mad Nath inherited that and some good Champo players and made us worse. Rowett was bad but Jones also spent 10-12m on Danny fucking Batth and Sam Fucking Vokes. He compunded the mistakes by Rowett and made them worse all over. We also weren't in any relegation danger under Rowett. They're both appalling managers mind.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 13:37:05 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2022 13:37:05 GMT
And then mad Nath inherited that and some good Champo players and made us worse. Rowett was bad but Jones also spent 10-12m on Danny fucking Batth and Sam Fucking Vokes. He compunded the mistakes by Rowett and made them worse all over. We also weren't in any relegation danger under Rowett. They're both appalling managers mind. And we never would have been either. Agreed, both appalling but ultimately we should never have be in the position where relegation was an issue. We did because of Nathan Jones.
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Mad Nath
Feb 6, 2022 13:39:14 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Feb 6, 2022 13:39:14 GMT
I think it's a bit pathetic that so many on here dislike him so strongly. He worked his bloody arse off with a crap squad and his inexperience was too much of a barrier to success. He clearly wanted it to work and it just wasn't the right fit. Some of his ideas might have worked with different players, perhaps a younger squad with less egos. There is no reason to boo Jones. There is no reason to cheer him either. He's just another manager as far as I'm concerned. There's a million more reasons to despise Rowett; now that guy is an actual cunt. I admire your generosity but I struggle to offer any goodwill in his direction. 100% of nothing is still nothing. Worst manager in our history for me. Certainly in my lifetime and I saw Alan Ball, Chic Bates, Brian Little and Kris Kamara. Nowhere near as bad as mad Kammy. Not as arrogant and smug as Rowett
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