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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 22:16:38 GMT
I mean the disease it works against is proven to increase peoples likelihood of heart troubles but yeah it’s the vaccine first and foremost. 🤦♂️ Quite right. I mean it's not like it's affected women getting pregnant and caused blood clots or anything like that. You’re more likely to get a blood clot if you get covid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 22:18:21 GMT
Quite right. I mean it's not like it's affected women getting pregnant and caused blood clots or anything like that. You’re more likely to get a blood clot if you get covid. I think we'll politely agree to disagree on this matter.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 22:19:15 GMT
You’re more likely to get a blood clot if you get covid. I think we'll politely agree to disagree on this matter. No we won’t. It’s a fact. If you don’t agree with it then you’re an idiot.
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Post by serpico on Jan 29, 2022 22:21:33 GMT
Why are people so defensive when someone suggests there could be a vaccine link ? …imo it’s something that needs to be considered, these things were developed in warp speed and have been rolled out in a atmosphere of panic, it’s not that much of a stretch to think there may be an issue with them, hundreds of treatments get recalled every single year because they were not as safe as first advertised and many of them had gone through multiple years of trials.
It probably is just coincidental but given that there has undoubtedly been a rise in these incidents it has to be seriously considered!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 22:21:50 GMT
I think we'll politely agree to disagree on this matter. No we won’t. It’s a fact. If you don’t agree with it then you’re an idiot. Someone's had a drink tonight. It's quite brave to call someone an idiot behind a keyboard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 22:23:44 GMT
Why are people so defensive when someone suggests there could be a vaccine link ? …imo it’s something that needs to be considered, these things were developed in warp speed and have been rolled out in a atmosphere of panic, it’s not that much of a stretch to think there may be an issue with them, hundreds of treatments get recalled every single year because they were not as safe as first advertised and many of them had gone through multiple years of trials. It probably is just coincidental but given that there has undoubtedly been a rise in these incidents it has to be seriously considered! Because it’s completely ignoring the actual disease that you know has killed millions and caused millions other health issues. No one is saying it’s perfect to focus on that when the obvious is there and seemingly being ignored by people putting it forward is a bit odd.
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Post by simple on Jan 29, 2022 22:24:28 GMT
I mean the disease it works against is proven to increase peoples likelihood of heart troubles but yeah it’s the vaccine first and foremost. 🤦♂️ Quite right. I mean it's not like it's affected women getting pregnant and caused blood clots or anything like that. My daughter is a midwife,and because at first nobody knew what Covit or the vaccine cause pregnant women did not get vaccinated,she as delivered a number of babies still born who’s mothers had Covit at the time of birth.Nobody can say if these deaths were because of Covit but there was more than normal. Heart diese is one of the UKs biggest killers,because we are overweight eat and drink shit and don’t excise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 22:24:41 GMT
No we won’t. It’s a fact. If you don’t agree with it then you’re an idiot. Someone's had a drink tonight. It's quite brave to call someone an idiot behind a keyboard. I don’t drink. And I’d probably call you worse in person 😂
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Post by serpico on Jan 29, 2022 22:27:55 GMT
Why are people so defensive when someone suggests there could be a vaccine link ? …imo it’s something that needs to be considered, these things were developed in warp speed and have been rolled out in a atmosphere of panic, it’s not that much of a stretch to think there may be an issue with them, hundreds of treatments get recalled every single year because they were not as safe as first advertised and many of them had gone through multiple years of trials. It probably is just coincidental but given that there has undoubtedly been a rise in these incidents it has to be seriously considered! Because it’s completely ignoring the actual disease that you know has killed millions and caused millions other health issues. No one is saying it’s perfect to focus on that when the obvious is there and seemingly being ignored by people putting it forward is a bit odd. I don’t see how this is an argument ? … because covid has killed lots of people we should therefore ignore the possibility there could be issues with the vaccine ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 29, 2022 22:29:15 GMT
Because it’s completely ignoring the actual disease that you know has killed millions and caused millions other health issues. No one is saying it’s perfect to focus on that when the obvious is there and seemingly being ignored by people putting it forward is a bit odd. I don’t see how this is an argument ? … because covid has killed lots of people we should therefore ignore the possibility there could be issues with the vaccine ? That’s not what I’ve said but ok.
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Post by a on Jan 29, 2022 22:35:01 GMT
RIP. Best thing to do is certainly not to hijack his death to propagate your own Covid agenda. That is just disgusting. I don't think he's done that in the slightest. It simply highlighted what the outcome of today's medical emergency was and it ties in the OP's initial thread. Davef never mentioned a covid link, you however have See the other comments. Called it. (Post mine)
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Post by a on Jan 29, 2022 22:37:00 GMT
Quite right. I mean it's not like it's affected women getting pregnant and caused blood clots or anything like that. You’re more likely to get a blood clot if you get covid. Also weirdly ignoring the fact that clots etc occurred pre-covid. Some strange opinions going on, maybe covid affects the brain too? 😂
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Post by Davef on Jan 29, 2022 22:37:35 GMT
I don't think he's done that in the slightest. It simply highlighted what the outcome of today's medical emergency was and it ties in the OP's initial thread. Davef never mentioned a covid link, you however have See the other comments. Called it. (Post mine) What other comments?
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Post by a on Jan 29, 2022 22:37:46 GMT
RIP. Best thing to do is certainly not to hijack his death to propagate your own Covid agenda. That is just disgusting. Eh? Not aimed at you Dave.
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Post by a on Jan 29, 2022 22:39:28 GMT
See the other comments. Called it. (Post mine) What other comments? Seriously mate there are loads all over The Oatcake regarding this, and funnily enough there are comments even in this thread which mentions Covid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2022 22:52:35 GMT
Someone's had a drink tonight. It's quite brave to call someone an idiot behind a keyboard. I don’t drink. And I’d probably call you worse in person 😂 Yeah, I'm really sure you would.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 29, 2022 22:56:23 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it.
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Post by teenagefanclub on Jan 29, 2022 23:00:02 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it. He did though in his secret lab in the South of France.
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Post by a on Jan 29, 2022 23:42:02 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it. What?! You’re suggesting that it wasn’t just made in a few weeks and rushed into hundreds of millions of people?! There are some crazy folk out there.
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Post by stokie1 on Jan 30, 2022 0:14:15 GMT
The replies on this post kind of some up the current problems. Nobody wants to listen to another point of view or opinion. Lee Johnson is clearly not a doctor, but im pretty sure he has many medically qualified personnel in and around him on a daily basis. If people dont feel like the current situation is somewhat out of the ordinary as far as the amount of players and fans falling ill is concerning then that is a problem in itself. I think it’s fair to leave medical opinions to medical professionals.
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Post by generationex on Jan 30, 2022 0:57:42 GMT
Something that does seem on the rise is the amount of fuckwits in the crowd chucking stuff on the pitch. Could it be the 💉? (Not serious, I thought this was taking the piss but should have realised the mentalist quota and have only just retrospectively read the thread. That was a piss-take and not a genuine question).
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Post by yyy on Jan 30, 2022 7:30:02 GMT
The replies on this post kind of some up the current problems. Nobody wants to listen to another point of view or opinion. Lee Johnson is clearly not a doctor, but im pretty sure he has many medically qualified personnel in and around him on a daily basis. If people dont feel like the current situation is somewhat out of the ordinary as far as the amount of players and fans falling ill is concerning then that is a problem in itself. I think it’s fair to leave medical opinions to medical professionals. Like Jurgen Klopp?
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Post by yyy on Jan 30, 2022 7:32:57 GMT
Pure blood here, Ready to be milked of pure blood tadpoles, single file please beautiful young ladies 😎😁
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Post by serpico on Jan 30, 2022 7:35:24 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it. it was clearly rushed, money cant buy you years and years of trial data, there was always going to be a risk involved, all new treatments get monitored for years after their release, many get recalled and some of these pharmaceutical companies have been heavily fined in the past for releasing/not recalling treatments they know increased heart risks.
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Post by blooter on Jan 30, 2022 8:04:20 GMT
I've seen CPR given in block 26 at least twice in recent years and the game continued as it did at every other ground. New rules now which is a good thing if it means the best medical staff can get to them rather than a couple of plod until the ambulance staff arrive. No other agendas about it.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 30, 2022 8:36:08 GMT
Sadly the Fulham fan has died RIP
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Post by lee1982 on Jan 30, 2022 18:00:15 GMT
The replies on this post kind of some up the current problems. Nobody wants to listen to another point of view or opinion. Lee Johnson is clearly not a doctor, but im pretty sure he has many medically qualified personnel in and around him on a daily basis. If people dont feel like the current situation is somewhat out of the ordinary as far as the amount of players and fans falling ill is concerning then that is a problem in itself. I think it’s fair to leave medical opinions to medical professionals. On that basis close this site because football opinions should surely only come from professional players??
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Post by steewee on Jan 31, 2022 22:45:19 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it. Stage 3 trials were originally touted for 3 years but the treatment was released early under emergency use authorisation. How does money mitigate the loss of time? Surely it makes sense to you that you would want to test for adverse reactions over a short/medium/long time frame. All the resources on earth can't test for that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 1, 2022 8:07:38 GMT
I don’t get this ‘the vaccine was rushed’ thing. Unprecedented resources were focused into finding it on an unprecedented scale, it’s not like Dr Nick Riviera hurriedly chucked the contents of his medicine cabinet into it. Stage 3 trials were originally touted for 3 years but the treatment was released early under emergency use authorisation. How does money mitigate the loss of time? Surely it makes sense to you that you would want to test for adverse reactions over a short/medium/long time frame. All the resources on earth can't test for that. The methods used by Pfizer and Moderna had been in development for years. No testing steps were skipped, a lot of them were conducted on an overlapping schedule.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 1, 2022 8:33:43 GMT
I know of two people who’ve had heart attacks at games, one was stabilised in his seat and then taken to the concourse the other was taken to the concourse and then treated.
Thankfully both survived - one was 2019 at a palace game & the other was 2018 but I can’t remember which ground he was at. Both work colleagues.
Neither games stopped.
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