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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 18, 2022 18:48:46 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 18, 2022 18:49:45 GMT
Didn't Davies take over from Butland when Jack was having a very bad spell, and I seem to recall that Adam arrived in the team to great acclaim , and was a revelation with some very assured and competent displays. Everyone seemed happy with him then.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 18, 2022 18:50:01 GMT
5 clean sheets in 11 league games says otherwise Some of the dodgy goals he's let in tells me he can't be trusted. That’s fine but what about some of the dodgy goals bursik has conceded (can he be trusted)
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2022 18:51:15 GMT
I agree with the outgoings so far.
Could do with Thompson and Surridge leaving as well but with a fee received.
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Post by yyy on Jan 18, 2022 18:52:39 GMT
I think he's a decent keeper, Bonham not really been tested yet but he will be v fulham. Not sure on Bursik just yet Davies and Bursik are as average as each other. I'd have Davies ahead of Bursik (just!), but if we can get some sort of fee for Davies then I don't mind reverting to Bursik next month. Bonham might even surprise us and put in some decent performances, but our priority now must be to get in a decent keeper if not this window, then in the summer. Begovic, F Forster & Ruddy contracts expire this summer maybe we could nick one now? I'd much rather an experienced keeper come in like TP used to do with Sorenson, De Goey etc, they'll be more vocal at have a presence at the back. If we get one of them in we could loan Bursik out until the end of season. Begovic, Forster & Ruddy are currently very much second choice atm with just 8 games between them all season. Get bego back in we've had a top window imo
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 18, 2022 18:53:19 GMT
For a fee around £500K I'd let him go, but not for free! Swop for ND ?? Don't think so, and I'm not sure MON will see him as an upgrade to Tymon either.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 18, 2022 18:53:45 GMT
Yeh a couple of decent loans would be fine till the end of the season. Wouldn’t be to hard to find 2 better players even if they do have to sit on the bench. We haven’t got the money for cream of the crop unfortunately I would say THB and potentially Ostigard are seen as “cream of the crop” loans for a Championship team. One had great reviews from Coventry and is now in Serie A, even if in a team who are getting hammered often. The other is seemingly part of Man City’s long-term plans and was on loan at a big European side earlier this season. So really, we’d be looking at bringing in players below the level of Ostigard, which is no different to Chester/Fox. Chester and fox are really bad still think we could get better which aren’t the cream as you put it. Makes no sense why we got rid of ostigard
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Post by gawa on Jan 18, 2022 18:54:08 GMT
I think he’s a better goalkeeper than he gets credit for on here and his stats show it too.
However I don’t think he’s irreplaceable and have no idea what sort of contract he’s on either. If it allows us to sign players to improve the squad then so be it.
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Post by questionable on Jan 18, 2022 18:54:58 GMT
Some of the dodgy goals he's let in tells me he can't be trusted. That’s fine but what about some of the dodgy goals bursik has conceded (can he be trusted) Can’t really see the Bursik thing as he’s no better thank Davies IMO, neither are what’s required to get us out of this league and no way a Premier League player. If he didn’t come through our youth teams he’d be hounded on here.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 18, 2022 18:57:58 GMT
That’s fine but what about some of the dodgy goals bursik has conceded (can he be trusted) Can’t really see the Bursik thing as he’s no better thank Davies IMO, neither are what’s required to get us out of this league and no way a Premier League player. If he didn’t come through our youth teams he’d be hounded on here. Let’s hope bonham proves to be a gem as I can’t see us been able to afford better than Davies for a while
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2022 19:03:49 GMT
Davies and Bursik are as average as each other. I'd have Davies ahead of Bursik (just!), but if we can get some sort of fee for Davies then I don't mind reverting to Bursik next month. Bonham might even surprise us and put in some decent performances, but our priority now must be to get in a decent keeper if not this window, then in the summer. Begovic, F Forster & Ruddy contracts expire this summer maybe we could nick one now? I'd much rather an experienced keeper come in like TP used to do with Sorenson, De Goey etc, they'll be more vocal at have a presence at the back. If we get one of them in we could loan Bursik out until the end of season. Begovic, Forster & Ruddy are currently very much second choice atm with just 8 games between them all season. Get bego back in we've had a top window imo Out of the three mentioned, Ruddy would surely be most likely. He’s older, would perhaps fancy one last shot at first choice and be (possibly) more willing to drop a division. Both Forster and Begovic have hit much higher levels and will likely think they can get another shot at a Premier League club or top division abroad.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 18, 2022 19:07:37 GMT
Some of the dodgy goals he's let in tells me he can't be trusted. That’s fine but what about some of the dodgy goals bursik has conceded (can he be trusted) I'm just commenting on Davies. Bursik has imo a higher ceiling so he's worth pursuing with out of the 2. Am I totally convinced? No, but if one has to go it's Davies 100% for me.
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Post by themistocles on Jan 18, 2022 19:16:13 GMT
I agree with the outgoings so far. Could do with Thompson and Surridge leaving as well but with a fee received. Why Thompson?
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 18, 2022 19:21:59 GMT
Couple of points, I understood that Sheff Utd were on the verge of taking Frank Fielding from us. And either way, Davies or Fielding, it says that Bursik must be very close to a return for us to even consider letting one of them go.
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Post by yyy on Jan 18, 2022 19:26:51 GMT
Begovic, F Forster & Ruddy contracts expire this summer maybe we could nick one now? I'd much rather an experienced keeper come in like TP used to do with Sorenson, De Goey etc, they'll be more vocal at have a presence at the back. If we get one of them in we could loan Bursik out until the end of season. Begovic, Forster & Ruddy are currently very much second choice atm with just 8 games between them all season. Get bego back in we've had a top window imo Out of the three mentioned, Ruddy would surely be most likely. He’s older, would perhaps fancy one last shot at first choice and be (possibly) more willing to drop a division. Both Forster and Begovic have hit much higher levels and will likely think they can get another shot at a Premier League club or top division abroad. I think we could get bego if we could afford him, in the summer when we were linked he was giving it the thumbs up on social media if I remember right, he'd be first choice here. Looked decent the other night when he did play too
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 18, 2022 19:38:28 GMT
That’s fine but what about some of the dodgy goals bursik has conceded (can he be trusted) I'm just commenting on Davies. Bursik has imo a higher ceiling so he's worth pursuing with out of the 2. Am I totally convinced? No, but if one has to go it's Davies 100% for me. Although I see Davies slightly better than bursik I agree with you that Davies would be the one to go. Davies is better than some people are making out though
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2022 19:46:07 GMT
Out of the three mentioned, Ruddy would surely be most likely. He’s older, would perhaps fancy one last shot at first choice and be (possibly) more willing to drop a division. Both Forster and Begovic have hit much higher levels and will likely think they can get another shot at a Premier League club or top division abroad. I think we could get bego if we could afford him, in the summer when we were linked he was giving it the thumbs up on social media if I remember right, he'd be first choice here. Looked decent the other night when he did play too The big if there, “if we could afford him”. I can’t see that happening.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 18, 2022 19:50:21 GMT
He's an OK Championship keeper- was fine for us for a while, but he's not a top 6 goalie.
Whether we can afford to let him go right now though I'm not sure. Bonham has had no kind of test yet and didn't seem that highly rated by Gills fans. Bursik is still a bit green and obviously injured until Feb.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 18, 2022 20:26:31 GMT
Davies and Bursik are as average as each other. I'd have Davies ahead of Bursik (just!), but if we can get some sort of fee for Davies then I don't mind reverting to Bursik next month. Bonham might even surprise us and put in some decent performances, but our priority now must be to get in a decent keeper if not this window, then in the summer. Begovic, F Forster & Ruddy contracts expire this summer maybe we could nick one now? I'd much rather an experienced keeper come in like TP used to do with Sorenson, De Goey etc, they'll be more vocal at have a presence at the back. If we get one of them in we could loan Bursik out until the end of season. Begovic, Forster & Ruddy are currently very much second choice atm with just 8 games between them all season. Get bego back in we've had a top window imo Begovic is on £80k a week at Everton
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 18, 2022 20:47:14 GMT
Didn't Davies take over from Butland when Jack was having a very bad spell, and I seem to recall that Adam arrived in the team to great acclaim , and was a revelation with some very assured and competent displays. Everyone seemed happy with him then. Yep. Basically dined out his whole Stoke career on the Notbutland effect. Woeful goalkeeper unfortunately, and thankfully we shouldn't have to see any more of him whether he leaves now or not (touch wood). But I shall wish him the best if and when he does toddle off.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 18, 2022 21:04:11 GMT
We used to be blessed with keepers, we haven’t had a good one since peak Butland, Bursik will get there but it’s going to take a while.
Davies can go tomorrow for me.
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Post by yyy on Jan 18, 2022 21:04:52 GMT
Begovic, F Forster & Ruddy contracts expire this summer maybe we could nick one now? I'd much rather an experienced keeper come in like TP used to do with Sorenson, De Goey etc, they'll be more vocal at have a presence at the back. If we get one of them in we could loan Bursik out until the end of season. Begovic, Forster & Ruddy are currently very much second choice atm with just 8 games between them all season. Get bego back in we've had a top window imo Begovic is on £80k a week at Everton the fcking hell.he is... that's that then
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 18, 2022 21:19:51 GMT
Didn't Davies take over from Butland when Jack was having a very bad spell, and I seem to recall that Adam arrived in the team to great acclaim , and was a revelation with some very assured and competent displays. Everyone seemed happy with him then. Yep. Basically dined out his whole Stoke career on the Notbutland effect. Woeful goalkeeper unfortunately, and thankfully we shouldn't have to see any more of him whether he leaves now or not (touch wood). But I shall wish him the best if and when he does toddle off. Woeful is a stretch, he’s not Muggleton. footystats.org/players/wales/adam-daviesConcedes on average less than a goal a game, 5 clean sheets in 12 matches. He was much better before his injury and hasn’t got back to that. Now he’s basically a slightly better than average championship goalkeeper. In fact, he’s so woeful that he has one of the best clean sheet records for all goalkeepers in the division who have played more than ten games: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/weisseweste/wettbewerb/GB2He’s not the messiah, but he isn’t woeful either. Edit - if he kept the same goals conceded to game ratio all season, we’d concede about 38 goals with him in between the sticks. That’s one less than Norwich and one more than Brentford last season. Bursik has conceded every 72 minutes.
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Post by march4 on Jan 18, 2022 21:20:41 GMT
I agree with the outgoings so far. Could do with Thompson and Surridge leaving as well but with a fee received. Why Thompson? We’ve just signed his replacement.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 18, 2022 21:23:13 GMT
We’ve just signed his replacement. thompson is a good player, I know Clucas and Allen both played well on Sunday but due to their contract situations and wages they’d go before a fit Jordan Thompson
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 18, 2022 21:47:41 GMT
Yep. Basically dined out his whole Stoke career on the Notbutland effect. Woeful goalkeeper unfortunately, and thankfully we shouldn't have to see any more of him whether he leaves now or not (touch wood). But I shall wish him the best if and when he does toddle off. Woeful is a stretch, he’s not Muggleton. footystats.org/players/wales/adam-daviesConcedes on average less than a goal a game, 5 clean sheets in 12 matches. He was much better before his injury and hasn’t got back to that. Now he’s basically a slightly better than average championship goalkeeper. In fact, he’s so woeful that he has one of the best clean sheet records for all goalkeepers in the division who have played more than ten games: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jumplist/weisseweste/wettbewerb/GB2He’s not the messiah, but he isn’t woeful either. Edit - if he kept the same goals conceded to game ratio all season, we’d concede about 38 goals with him in between the sticks. That’s one less than Norwich and one more than Brentford last season. Bursik has conceded every 72 minutes. I disagree but y'know.. all good
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Post by miltonstokienew on Jan 19, 2022 1:30:36 GMT
I agree with the outgoings so far. Could do with Thompson and Surridge leaving as well but with a fee received. Thompson needs to stay.
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 19, 2022 5:04:34 GMT
👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻 see thee
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Post by tejstokie on Jan 20, 2022 3:48:38 GMT
I hope this is true and we're in for two better senior keepers than Davies and Bursik who have been average at their best and dodgy the rest. We really should invest in this area like he have done with Begovic, Butland and Grant in the recent past.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 20, 2022 17:19:40 GMT
Didn't Davies take over from Butland when Jack was having a very bad spell, and I seem to recall that Adam arrived in the team to great acclaim , and was a revelation with some very assured and competent displays. Everyone seemed happy with him then. Hardly a revelation. He was steady away, didn't make massive howlers but equally he barely had a save to make. If he was any good he'd have played long before he did, so bad was Butlands form at the time. He played only when the manager really had no choice but to bring him in. It really could have been anyone.
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