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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 10:57:41 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Dec 19, 2021 10:57:41 GMT
The new Ilford Dave. If the cap fits ... Not at all. But I mean why would reply to someone and then not expect them to reply? It’s a bit strange that. And again here we go with this childish bullshit instigated by others for no reason other than what? Very very strange people. There are a few idiots who like to troll this forum. It's an endemic problem across the whole of social media unfortunately.
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 11:46:30 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 19, 2021 11:46:30 GMT
Kiss of death for Sankoh then. Poor guy. Whatever did he do to deserve it? Behave. He’s another I was bigging up and has done nothing……As ever it’s just bollocks from you usual morons. How did Sankoh end up with us I remember reading something about his mum getting a job in birmingham so he left the netherlands to live with her did he just fall in our laps or did we actively recruit him ? Turned up at 15 fucked off at 17, in a year or two, I imagine the sell on clause questions / posts about him will reach N'zonzi level....
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Post by nonameface on Dec 19, 2021 13:44:54 GMT
Ah yes let’s turn this into another bait Bayern thread and then blame him….. Strange people. It's absolutely disgusting mate. The people that do it should be banned permanently. It lets them down and it lets this forum down. It is weird and over the last few months it does feel like it's ramped up unnecessarily. A ban seems weird though, to stop someone's freedom almost destroys this site. Surely better that they are helped to understand it's great Bayern is on here because he frequently gives opinion and discussion, which lets face it is what this is all about, however seemingly stubborn at times. Cheers Bayern 👍🏻
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 19, 2021 13:56:14 GMT
The new Ilford Dave. If the cap fits ... Not at all. But I mean why would reply to someone and then not expect them to reply? It’s a bit strange that. And again here we go with this childish bullshit instigated by others for no reason other than what? Very very strange people. Well one you has to at some point or the bloody thread would end up thousands of pages long! Naturally one of you stops replying after reaching a somewhat amicable or respected (dis)agreement. You never get there!
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 14:46:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2021 14:46:35 GMT
Not at all. But I mean why would reply to someone and then not expect them to reply? It’s a bit strange that. And again here we go with this childish bullshit instigated by others for no reason other than what? Very very strange people. Well one you has to at some point or the bloody thread would end up thousands of pages long! Naturally one of you stops replying after reaching a somewhat amicable or respected (dis)agreement. You never get there! But this is nothing bar unnecessary bullshit. Taken off topic by others. It’s nothing to do with what I’ve replied and that’s the issue. It’s really really pathetic.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 19, 2021 16:32:57 GMT
16 year olds make up a tiny 0.1% of players who get on to the pitch in the Championship. They contribute 0.004% of the minutes played. So they also get negligible minutes.
By 17 they still only make up 0.6% of players and 0.14% of minutes.
The needle starts to move at 18, 2% of players & 1% of the minutes.
By 19, they are 4.5% of players and 2% of the time.
Start to become fully fledged at 20, 6% of players and 3.5% of time.
Rolling at 21, 6.7% of players, 4.8% of minutes played.
There are exceptions, but majority aren't anywhere near good enough demand a start at 16/17.
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 16:53:19 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2021 16:53:19 GMT
And I fear such stats would have been used to back up not using Sankoh.
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 19:17:57 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 19, 2021 19:17:57 GMT
And I fear such stats would have been used to back up not using Sankoh. Potentially could have been used in that way. Or they could have been used to show what an exceptional prospect he was? If Tezgel is similar and plays it just goes to further back up how exceptional he is.
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 19:41:50 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2021 19:41:50 GMT
And I fear such stats would have been used to back up not using Sankoh. Potentially could have been used in that way. Or they could have been used to show what an exceptional prospect he was? If Tezgel is similar and plays it just goes to further back up how exceptional he is. Hopefully! We saw it with Collins though too.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 19, 2021 22:04:44 GMT
And I fear such stats would have been used to back up not using Sankoh. Getting 17 minutes in your first season at Stuttgart is not “getting picked regularly”. It is the career arc you might expect from the baseline figures for a 17 (now 18.2) year old.
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Tezgel
Dec 19, 2021 22:16:06 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2021 22:16:06 GMT
And I fear such stats would have been used to back up not using Sankoh. Getting 17 minutes in your first season at Stuttgart is not “getting picked regularly”. It is the career arc you might expect from the baseline figures for a 17 (now 18.2) year old. I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 19, 2021 22:41:08 GMT
I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though. [/quote] This you? "Was getting picked regularly on the Stuttgart at the end of last season/start of this".
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2021 22:42:52 GMT
Getting 17 minutes in your first season at Stuttgart is not “getting picked regularly”. It is the career arc you might expect from the baseline figures for a 17 (now 18.2) year old. I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though. You did mate you said this - "He was/is. Was getting picked regularly on the Stuttgart at the end of last season/start of this. They’ve given him a new 5/6 year contract after his injury too where he’s done his knee I think and is out for ages. Just hope that doesn’t stop him becoming what he should become, a good top flight striker at the worst and something a bit more special at the better end of the scale". I assume you meant to say "on the Stuttgart bench" did you?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2021 23:31:20 GMT
I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though. This you? "Was getting picked regularly on the Stuttgart at the end of last season/start of this". I missed the word bench out 🤦♂️Sorry. It was meant to say on the Stuggart bench
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 19, 2021 23:44:19 GMT
I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though. This you? "Was getting picked regularly on the Stuttgart at the end of last season/start of this". I missed the word bench out 🤦♂️Sorry. It was meant to say on the Stuggart bench STUTTGART!!!!!! Are you messing with my OCD pedantry?
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Post by mtrstudent on Dec 20, 2021 5:27:56 GMT
16 year olds make up a tiny 0.1% of players who get on to the pitch in the Championship. They contribute 0.004% of the minutes played. So they also get negligible minutes. By 17 they still only make up 0.6% of players and 0.14% of minutes. The needle starts to move at 18, 2% of players & 1% of the minutes. By 19, they are 4.5% of players and 2% of the time. Start to become fully fledged at 20, 6% of players and 3.5% of time. Rolling at 21, 6.7% of players, 4.8% of minutes played. There are exceptions, but majority aren't anywhere near good enough demand a start at 16/17. Is there anything in the stats to hint at when a younger prospect might cut it? Like do they track the u17s-U23s as well. Tezgel looks so exciting but my gut feeling is that he needs to show he can cut it consistently at U23 first.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 20, 2021 8:04:19 GMT
I haven’t said he was getting picked regularly. Had he stayed with us last season he should have been getting picked regularly though. This you? "Was getting picked regularly on the Stuttgart at the end of last season/start of this". I missed the word bench out 🤦♂️Sorry. It was meant to say on the Stuggart bench 17 minutes and two unused 9 man bench appearances as a 17.6 year old. I'd suggest you stop digging. Stoke & MON are excellent at developing young talent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 20, 2021 8:23:41 GMT
I missed the word bench out 🤦♂️Sorry. It was meant to say on the Stuggart bench 17 minutes and two unused 9 man bench appearances as a 17.6 year old. I'd suggest you stop digging. Stoke & MON are excellent at developing young talent. In a higher league. He’s ok at it. Could be a lot worse, could be a lot better. The use of Collins being the one that’s really frustrating.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 20, 2021 9:23:25 GMT
16 year olds make up a tiny 0.1% of players who get on to the pitch in the Championship. They contribute 0.004% of the minutes played. So they also get negligible minutes. By 17 they still only make up 0.6% of players and 0.14% of minutes. The needle starts to move at 18, 2% of players & 1% of the minutes. By 19, they are 4.5% of players and 2% of the time. Start to become fully fledged at 20, 6% of players and 3.5% of time. Rolling at 21, 6.7% of players, 4.8% of minutes played. There are exceptions, but majority aren't anywhere near good enough demand a start at 16/17. Is there anything in the stats to hint at when a younger prospect might cut it? Like do they track the u17s-U23s as well. Tezgel looks so exciting but my gut feeling is that he needs to show he can cut it consistently at U23 first. Forwards are the most straightforward. Tyrese was both precocious and had an outstanding goal involvement at U23. His output was at least 50% greater than anyone since 2017/18. He was involved in 0.85 non penalty goals per 90. If the U23's aren't at least returning ball park figures compared to the established forwards when they drop down for the odd U23 game, they'll likely struggle to hack it at Championship level.
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Tezgel
Dec 21, 2021 13:08:58 GMT
Post by jokker on Dec 21, 2021 13:08:58 GMT
I would love to join in with the Jokker/LordB discussion but I haven’t got a clue who said what when. Anyone else having that issue? Seems to be a general problem for you
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Tezgel
Dec 21, 2021 17:54:01 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 21, 2021 17:54:01 GMT
I would love to join in with the Jokker/LordB discussion but I haven’t got a clue who said what when. Anyone else having that issue? Seems to be a general problem for you I'm struggling to work out why you've got such a mard on with me? I made a pretty 'lame' joke about Lenny Lawrence's dog and you've proper gone off on one. And I'm sure someone mention 'troll' recently. So perhaps someone ought to look in the mirror.
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Tezgel
Dec 22, 2021 6:35:14 GMT
Post by jokker on Dec 22, 2021 6:35:14 GMT
Seems to be a general problem for you I'm struggling to work out why you've got such a mard on with me? I made a pretty 'lame' joke about Lenny Lawrence's dog and you've proper gone off on one. And I'm sure someone mention 'troll' recently. So perhaps someone ought to look in the mirror. I'm not at all sure what you're talking about but strange things happen when I look in the mirror I see the spitting image of you
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Tezgel
Dec 22, 2021 7:53:12 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 22, 2021 7:53:12 GMT
I'm struggling to work out why you've got such a mard on with me? I made a pretty 'lame' joke about Lenny Lawrence's dog and you've proper gone off on one. And I'm sure someone mention 'troll' recently. So perhaps someone ought to look in the mirror. I'm not at all sure what you're talking about but strange things happen when I look in the mirror I see the spitting image of you You mentioned ‘troll’ the other day. I’ve noticed you’ve made a total of 21 posts. Five of which are having a go at me. Nearly a quarter of all your posts. Who’s trolling who? I’m quite flattered that you find me so interesting but I’m afraid I’ll have to decline to respond any further as my partner is getting quite jealous at all the attention you’re lavishing on me. So Bye and have a merry Christmas.
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Post by a on Dec 22, 2021 8:33:03 GMT
How close do you suppose, is this kid to a first team chance, scoring for fun all season? He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first. 1 in 4 at u23, I know it’s not a science but it’s unlikely to be that at senior level, which isn’t enough surely? I’m hoping we develop the lad instead of throwing him in at the deep end and hoping he doesn’t sink.
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Post by nonameface on Dec 22, 2021 19:37:45 GMT
He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first. 1 in 4 at u23, I know it’s not a science but it’s unlikely to be that at senior level, which isn’t enough surely? I’m hoping we develop the lad instead of throwing him in at the deep end and hoping he doesn’t sink. Looking at his stats, it suggests waiting is best for sure. He's already at a level where ability wise he isn't standing out and there is potentially little value in testing him at higher levels, it really could be counter intuitive. But we don't know how he's training and what may bring the best out of him. The coaches will have the best idea; he may be someone who is better suited to learning under higher levels of stress because he's more engaged. We just need to trust the club with the development of all players, since MON joined and for the first time in my lifetime we seem to have a genuine balance of getting results for today versus investing for the future. Just over the last 12 months there's been decent players emerge or improve significantly, including: Bursik, Collins, Souttar, Tymon, Thompson, Wilmott, Brown, Forrester and Taylor.
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Post by hcstokie on Dec 22, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
Give the lad time, he’s a 16 year old playing U23s which is positive in itself. Let him develop and trust the coaching staff who see him playing every day.
Hopefully we’ve got a real prospect on our hands 🤞🏻
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Post by dirtclod on Dec 23, 2021 15:27:49 GMT
16 year olds make up a tiny 0.1% of players who get on to the pitch in the Championship. They contribute 0.004% of the minutes played. So they also get negligible minutes. By 17 they still only make up 0.6% of players and 0.14% of minutes. The needle starts to move at 18, 2% of players & 1% of the minutes. By 19, they are 4.5% of players and 2% of the time. Start to become fully fledged at 20, 6% of players and 3.5% of time. Rolling at 21, 6.7% of players, 4.8% of minutes played. There are exceptions, but majority aren't anywhere near good enough demand a start at 16/17. Another great Tachyon post. You really ARE faster than light with these stats. A very valuable subatomic particle to have around. (Yes I had to look it up)
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 3, 2022 9:04:06 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jan 3, 2022 11:57:36 GMT
Rooney was 16. It worked out well for him
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 3, 2022 12:16:52 GMT
Rooney was 16. It worked out well for him Exactly if you’re good enough then why not , he can’t be any worse than Brown
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