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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 10:55:40 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 5, 2021 10:55:40 GMT
How close do you suppose, is this kid to a first team chance, scoring for fun all season?
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:04:05 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2021 11:04:05 GMT
He’s made the step up into the u23 early this season, possibly needs at least one full season at that level. Look to integrate into first team next season with cameos and cup and/or a loan out to League 1.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:05:23 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 5, 2021 11:05:23 GMT
How close do you suppose, is this kid to a first team chance, scoring for fun all season? He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first.
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Post by TinkerT on Dec 5, 2021 11:10:12 GMT
People were saying the same about Rashford when he was thrown on at united, no one is ever too young
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Post by nonameface on Dec 5, 2021 11:13:20 GMT
Fair shout, Rashford was 18 nearly 19 mind, that's quite a big difference.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 5, 2021 11:17:12 GMT
People were saying the same about Rashford when he was thrown on at united, no one is ever too young Bang on Playing with better and more mature players may bring him on even quicker. Every now and again VERY young players appear from nowhere - Rooney, Rashford, Bellingham etc Who’s to say Emre won’t do the same. I have a massive dred that we will try to “manage” his development too much by trying to take it slow and one of the bigwigs will come in and sign him from under our noses. The premier league have a massive net of talent scouts and Emre will already be on lots of their lists. We need to do whatever it takes to secure this lad
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2021 11:22:59 GMT
Don’t think anyone above has questioned or said he’s not ready because of his age. It was said that he isn’t doing it consistently enough at u23 level, he does need to excel at that level before any chat of being involved in first team.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 5, 2021 11:27:09 GMT
How close do you suppose, is this kid to a first team chance, scoring for fun all season? He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first. I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:39:25 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 5, 2021 11:39:25 GMT
He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first. I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Yeah, Tezgel may be ready, but the stats don't suggest it just yet. The two goals he got against Man City u18s show how far ahead of the normal curve he is though, way ahead! Just hope the same doesn't happen with him as it did Sankoh.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:43:44 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 5, 2021 11:43:44 GMT
I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Yeah, Tezgel may be ready, but the stats don't suggest it just yet. The two goals he got against Man City u18s show how far ahead of the normal curve he is though, way ahead! Just hope the same doesn't happen with him as it did Sankoh. This is the problem also mate you keep him out of the first team for too long and he may not ever play for us. We have done that before
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 5, 2021 11:44:01 GMT
He's 16, scores outrageously well at u18 level, but doesn't get many at u23 (he's a 1 in 4 man). He could make appearances for us, but it doesn't look like he's ready. He needs to be able to deliver at u23 level first. I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Rooney was 16 as was Jack Wilshire and Aaron Lennon, Rashford was 18 Jude Bellingham was only just past his 16th Birthday and he’s turned out shit hasn’t he - only 2 and a bit years later. It has happened before and it’s about time it happened for a Stoke player. Sometimes it’s not about a steady progression - all it takes is a little “throwing in at the deep end”. Did we see Rooney, Wiltshire, Bellingham, Lennon having time go through the “process”
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:45:41 GMT
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 5, 2021 11:45:41 GMT
I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Yeah, Tezgel may be ready, but the stats don't suggest it just yet. The two goals he got against Man City u18s show how far ahead of the normal curve he is though, way ahead! Just hope the same doesn't happen with him as it did Sankoh. That’s exactly why we need to get this lad signed up. I understand we are not allowed to because he is too young at the moment but we need to show him how much he means to the club - getting him in the first team bench will have him buzzing
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:50:18 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 5, 2021 11:50:18 GMT
Yeah, Tezgel may be ready, but the stats don't suggest it just yet. The two goals he got against Man City u18s show how far ahead of the normal curve he is though, way ahead! Just hope the same doesn't happen with him as it did Sankoh. That’s exactly why we need to get this lad signed up. I understand we are not allowed to because he is too young at the moment but we need to show him how much he means to the club - getting him in the first team bench will have him buzzing Yeah it wouldn't surprise me towards the end of the season to see him on the bench for that reason. Wonder what he's like when he trains with the first team?
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 5, 2021 11:52:09 GMT
Yeah, Tezgel may be ready, but the stats don't suggest it just yet. The two goals he got against Man City u18s show how far ahead of the normal curve he is though, way ahead! Just hope the same doesn't happen with him as it did Sankoh. This is the problem also mate you keep him out of the first team for too long and he may not ever play for us. We have done that before The whole Sankoh episode stinks. I know we were told we tried everything to keep him but that is just what we were told. Stoke must learn from the Sankoh debacle and one trick is to show these exceptional young players that Stoke is where they need to start their professional career - otherwise what is the pints of the youth teams
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 11:57:51 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on Dec 5, 2021 11:57:51 GMT
Yeah I hope he continues to keep improving, as Ipswich fans will tell you there is always a Connor Wickham. Wickham was sensational at same age too. Let's look after Tezgel and not rush if we don't need too.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 5, 2021 11:59:39 GMT
This is the problem also mate you keep him out of the first team for too long and he may not ever play for us. We have done that before The whole Sankoh episode stinks. I know we were told we tried everything to keep him but that is just what we were told. Stoke must learn from the Sankoh debacle and one trick is to show these exceptional young players that Stoke is where they need to start their professional career - otherwise what is the pints of the youth teams Agree totally show them by putting them on the bench even Show them we want them for the long term every player young or old just wants first team. We have nothing to lose at the minute as none of our forwards are pulling up trees
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Post by northernstokie on Dec 5, 2021 12:02:46 GMT
I would like to see him training with the 1st team if he's not already especially when we are light on numbers just for the experience and advice from a few older faces and maybe a few sub appearances near the end of the season if there is nothing to play for. Hopefully that would help him sign a pro deal as he can see pathway into the 1st team
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Post by sd22 on Dec 5, 2021 12:15:36 GMT
FA cup coming up soon, if we get an ‘easy’ draw. Perfect for a bench spot and maybe a 10-15 cameo for the boy.
The first goal against city was an absolute thunderbolt.
That second goal, I have but two words… fucking disgusting.
Give the lad and his family everything they want, may be a little early to say, but I’ve got a special feeling about this one!
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 12:24:10 GMT
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2021 12:24:10 GMT
I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Rooney was 16 as was Jack Wilshire and Aaron Lennon, Rashford was 18 Jude Bellingham was only just past his 16th Birthday and he’s turned out shit hasn’t he - only 2 and a bit years later. It has happened before and it’s about time it happened for a Stoke player. Sometimes it’s not about a steady progression - all it takes is a little “throwing in at the deep end”. Did we see Rooney, Wiltshire, Bellingham, Lennon having time go through the “process” I don’t know for sure but I would strongly suggest that it would have been the case that all of those players were either doing well at u23 level or just so evidently further advance at that age. They all made a fairly positive impact when they debuted in the first team. There’s also a swathe of other players who’s names aren’t as renowned or known who flopped when given an early start. I think we can all safely say MoN has been really good bringing through our young starts and I’d go as far to say we’ve may actually have one of the best current British managers for blooding youngsters and development into first team.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 12:25:03 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Dec 5, 2021 12:25:03 GMT
FA cup coming up soon, if we get an ‘easy’ draw. Perfect for a bench spot and maybe a 10-15 cameo for the boy. The first goal against city was an absolute thunderbolt. That second goal, I have but two words… fucking disgusting. Give the lad and his family everything they want, may be a little early to say, but I’ve got a special feeling about this one! That second one looks like he's on the local park having a kick about with kids a couple of years younger.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 12:44:26 GMT
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Post by questionable on Dec 5, 2021 12:44:26 GMT
No idea if he’s ready but “monitoring” seems all we’re good at, I mean what will we lose by at least trying him, fresh, raw and will 100% try his best, or we could spend millions on a CF put him on a 4 year contract, watch him fail then give him away and just for good measures pay most of his wages for the remaining part of his contract.
If he comes on and succeeds, superb, if not pick up on where he went wrong and work on that in the U23’s.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 13:11:41 GMT
Post by fazza90 on Dec 5, 2021 13:11:41 GMT
I suspect he's more likely to move away to bigger club than he is break into our first team in the next 12 months. Really hope I'm wrong as the very little I've seen of him he looks to be absolutely outstanding & a real exciting raw talent.
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Tezgel
Dec 5, 2021 13:21:20 GMT
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Post by Sfance on Dec 5, 2021 13:21:20 GMT
I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Rooney was 16 as was Jack Wilshire and Aaron Lennon, Rashford was 18 Jude Bellingham was only just past his 16th Birthday and he’s turned out shit hasn’t he - only 2 and a bit years later. It has happened before and it’s about time it happened for a Stoke player. Sometimes it’s not about a steady progression - all it takes is a little “throwing in at the deep end”. Did we see Rooney, Wiltshire, Bellingham, Lennon having time go through the “process” Tony Allen started his illustrious Stoke career at 16. (Don’t remember how long or whether he first played for the Reserves..)
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 5, 2021 13:26:13 GMT
I’m sure Rooney came on when he had just turned 16 in the prem against a top team if my memory’s correct. I do agree though he needs to do well in u23s but I can’t wait to see him in the first team Rooney was 16 as was Jack Wilshire and Aaron Lennon, Rashford was 18 Jude Bellingham was only just past his 16th Birthday and he’s turned out shit hasn’t he - only 2 and a bit years later. It has happened before and it’s about time it happened for a Stoke player. Sometimes it’s not about a steady progression - all it takes is a little “throwing in at the deep end”. Did we see Rooney, Wiltshire, Bellingham, Lennon having time go through the “process” They're the exception to the rule though- most 16-year-olds are nowhere near ready for first-team football; they're not physically developed enough or mentally ready to step up. It's very different playing against skinny teenagers to big hairy-arsed blokes who know all the dark arts and dirty tricks. I haven't seen Tezgel play, but just because he's doing well at u18 level doesn't automatically mean we should throw him in now. The Academy staff are in a much better position than nay of us to make that decision.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 5, 2021 13:38:51 GMT
Rooney was 16 as was Jack Wilshire and Aaron Lennon, Rashford was 18 Jude Bellingham was only just past his 16th Birthday and he’s turned out shit hasn’t he - only 2 and a bit years later. It has happened before and it’s about time it happened for a Stoke player. Sometimes it’s not about a steady progression - all it takes is a little “throwing in at the deep end”. Did we see Rooney, Wiltshire, Bellingham, Lennon having time go through the “process” They're the exception to the rule though- most 16-year-olds are nowhere near ready for first-team football; they're not physically developed enough or mentally ready to step up.
It's very different playing against skinny teenagers to big hairy-arsed blokes who know all the dark arts and dirty tricks. I haven't seen Tezgel play, but just because he's doing well at u18 level doesn't automatically mean we should throw him in now. The Academy staff are in a much better position than nay of us to make that decision. Agreed. The risks of introducing a 16 year old (and he is only just 16) to first team football too early are just as high as the risks of introducing him too late. I think we have to accept that the club has, so far, got Tezgel's development right. He's scoring for fun at England youth level on the back of proving himself at U18 level for the club - and let's remember that U18 level is 2 years above his natural age level. The club is now blooding him against players who are aged up to 23. And, whilst he has stepped up well, he naturally finds it harder to score goals than he did at U18. Hopefully a season of U23 games will see an improvement such that he is ready to be in a match day squad next season, when, lets remember, he will have just turned 17. I certainly wouldn't say the way our Academy coaches are treating him is in any way hampering his development and I think it is almost certain that the plans for him will have been discussed with him and his family - and very probably with the England youth set up as well.
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2021 14:25:18 GMT
He's clearly way too good for U18's Let's see him banging then in for U23's
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Tezgel
Dec 13, 2021 20:02:26 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 13, 2021 20:02:26 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 13, 2021 20:06:33 GMT
Would be a massive coup if we could get him to sign a professional contract with us.
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Tezgel
Dec 13, 2021 21:40:08 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on Dec 13, 2021 21:40:08 GMT
Would be a massive coup if we could get him to sign a professional contract with us. Yeah it needs to happen, it's about time the best local lads were playing for Stoke. I mean we got a lad from Chess in the England squad and the striker who went Blythe High scoring loads in the championship. Sort it stoke
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Post by lordb on Dec 13, 2021 22:19:23 GMT
Would be a massive coup if we could get him to sign a professional contract with us. Yeah it needs to happen, it's about time the best local lads were playing for Stoke. I mean we got a lad from Chess in the England squad and the striker who went Blythe High scoring loads in the championship. Sort it stoke Nothing they can do, get too young to sign
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