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Post by citynickscfc on Jan 5, 2022 14:57:21 GMT
You can only score against the teams you play against. What do people really expect with our limitations? If a goal scorer was so easy to find every championship team would have one. We are where we are and unfortunately the likes of Brown and Surridge or anyone else we can find within our non existent budget are the types of striker we will get. I would rather us take a gamble on young unproven types that we have over the likes of Vokes any day of the week. What might be nice would be if he could contribute literally anything else as well rather than being a complete passenger, which we can't afford? Pure poachers who offer nothing else but popping up in the six yard box are extinct, they're no good to us. He's a bit like vokes isn't he? Just a lot younger.
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Post by miggo on Jan 5, 2022 14:57:57 GMT
You can only score against the teams you play against. What do people really expect with our limitations? If a goal scorer was so easy to find every championship team would have one. We are where we are and unfortunately the likes of Brown and Surridge or anyone else we can find within our non existent budget are the types of striker we will get. I would rather us take a gamble on young unproven types that we have over the likes of Vokes any day of the week. What might be nice would be if he could contribute literally anything else as well rather than being a complete passenger, which we can't afford? Pure poachers who offer nothing else but popping up in the six yard box are extinct, they're no good to us. Thats why we have a target man in Fletcher, a play on the shoulder/run in behind type like Brown, a fox in the box with Surridge and abit of an all rounder (if fit) in Ty. None of them are world beaters or anything special but each has different strengths. MON certainly likes to have the options to mix his tactics up, the problem is when we play Brown and Ty we play long ball and when we play Fletch and Surridge we try to play balls down the wings to chase. As many have said before there is no plan B or change in tactics regardless of what player is on the pitch and often the wrong tactics are implemented from the start to suit those playing.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 5, 2022 15:01:11 GMT
He also has cheat ingrained into him from his Bournmouth days.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 15:07:03 GMT
What might be nice would be if he could contribute literally anything else as well rather than being a complete passenger, which we can't afford? Pure poachers who offer nothing else but popping up in the six yard box are extinct, they're no good to us. Thats why we have a target man in Fletcher, a play on the shoulder/run in behind type like Brown, a fox in the box with Surridge and abit of an all rounder (if fit) in Ty. None of them are world beaters or anything special but each has different strengths. MON certainly likes to have the options to mix his tactics up, the problem is when we play Brown and Ty we play long ball and when we play Fletch and Surridge we try to play balls down the wings to chase. As many have said before there is no plan B or change in tactics regardless of what player is on the pitch and often the wrong tactics are implemented from the start to suit those playing. However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 5, 2022 15:11:10 GMT
He has exactly 2 league goals. If you bundle in an EFL goal against Fleetwood and Donny reserves it looks marginally more respectable. You can only score against the teams you play against. What do people really expect with our limitations? If a goal scorer was so easy to find every championship team would have one. We are where we are and unfortunately the likes of Brown and Surridge or anyone else we can find within our non existent budget are the types of striker we will get. I would rather us take a gamble on young unproven types that we have over the likes of Vokes any day of the week. I’m not sure that £5million could be described as a non existent
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Post by miggo on Jan 5, 2022 15:30:39 GMT
You can only score against the teams you play against. What do people really expect with our limitations? If a goal scorer was so easy to find every championship team would have one. We are where we are and unfortunately the likes of Brown and Surridge or anyone else we can find within our non existent budget are the types of striker we will get. I would rather us take a gamble on young unproven types that we have over the likes of Vokes any day of the week. I’m not sure that £5million could be described as a non existent For a Championship striker it is these days. Look at Ty last year would we of accepted anywhere near 15-20m for him ? We took a gamble on a young player that had some potential who wasnt playing at his team, unless they are over 30 or out of contract £5m is fairly cheap.
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Post by moon on Jan 5, 2022 15:33:11 GMT
You can only score against the teams you play against. What do people really expect with our limitations? If a goal scorer was so easy to find every championship team would have one. We are where we are and unfortunately the likes of Brown and Surridge or anyone else we can find within our non existent budget are the types of striker we will get. I would rather us take a gamble on young unproven types that we have over the likes of Vokes any day of the week. I’m not sure that £5million could be described as a non existent It wasn't 5 million though was it? at least not up front, I had in my head that it was more like 2.5 with potential addons up to 4/5?
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Post by miggo on Jan 5, 2022 15:59:46 GMT
Thats why we have a target man in Fletcher, a play on the shoulder/run in behind type like Brown, a fox in the box with Surridge and abit of an all rounder (if fit) in Ty. None of them are world beaters or anything special but each has different strengths. MON certainly likes to have the options to mix his tactics up, the problem is when we play Brown and Ty we play long ball and when we play Fletch and Surridge we try to play balls down the wings to chase. As many have said before there is no plan B or change in tactics regardless of what player is on the pitch and often the wrong tactics are implemented from the start to suit those playing. However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him. You've missed the point. Yes we could have that type of player, but we would have to pay for it. Thats why he cost what he did. You could argue we could of got better value elsewhere and maybe we could of but we didn't. So we are where we are, the manager should know how to implement systems that best suit the players he brought to the club and If he doesn't the he should not be at the club. We depend far too much on the one clever footballer whos already been out for half a season and by the sounds of it won't play for the rest of it either. In the end it does not matter which of our strikers play we are a team that scores 1 in every 7/8 chances we get and at the moment we are only getting 1 or 2 real attempts each game. Its not just about the strikers, whilst i'd of course like better options our complete lack of ability across the rest of the field to create anything resembling a sniff is the bigger issue.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 16:13:55 GMT
However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him. You've missed the point. Yes we could have that type of player, but we would have to pay for it. Thats why he cost what he did. You could argue we could of got better value elsewhere and maybe we could of but we didn't. So we are where we are, the manager should know how to implement systems that best suit the players he brought to the club and If he doesn't the he should not be at the club. We depend far too much on the one clever footballer whos already been out for half a season and by the sounds of it won't play for the rest of it either. In the end it does not matter which of our strikers play we are a team that scores 1 in every 7/8 chances we get and at the moment we are only getting 1 or 2 real attempts each game. Its not just about the strikers, whilst i'd of course like better options our complete lack of ability across the rest of the field to create anything resembling a sniff is the bigger issue. It's not just that I'm missing the point, I'm completing lost as to what your point is? For starters I think it should be possible to get more for £2.5m than we've seen from him so far. That's roughly what Buendia cost Norwich. Secondly, I'm not sure there is a system that allows us to play a total passenger, which is what he frequently has been. Thirdly, your strikers aren't just there to stick chances away, they're a key part of your attacking play and the creation of chances. Whether that's creating space, holding the ball up, linking the play, running at players etc. Of course it isn't just down to the strikers but it's not immediately clear what the plan was with him and what role we were expecting him to play.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 5, 2022 16:21:40 GMT
Thats why we have a target man in Fletcher, a play on the shoulder/run in behind type like Brown, a fox in the box with Surridge and abit of an all rounder (if fit) in Ty. None of them are world beaters or anything special but each has different strengths. MON certainly likes to have the options to mix his tactics up, the problem is when we play Brown and Ty we play long ball and when we play Fletch and Surridge we try to play balls down the wings to chase. As many have said before there is no plan B or change in tactics regardless of what player is on the pitch and often the wrong tactics are implemented from the start to suit those playing. However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him. I'd like to think that 4-2-3-1 would actually work well for him right now. With Ince, Campbell and Doughty all around him he could probably get a lot of chances. He does work for the team off the ball as well, especially when out of possession. He's definitely not been bought as a player who can be an immediate impact though. Personally I think that if he put on a few pounds of muscle this summer he could do a decent job with his back to goal. He's 6 foot 3, has a decent workrate and does appear to get stuck in, but he is far too skinny to do any "target man" work at present and as a result, just gets muscled off the ball too often.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 16:25:02 GMT
However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him. I'd like to think that 4-2-3-1 would actually work well for him right now. With Ince, Campbell and Doughty all around him he could probably get a lot of chances. He does work for the team off the ball as well, especially when out of possession. He's definitely not been bought as a player who can be an immediate impact though. Personally I think that if he put on a few pounds of muscle this summer he could do a decent job with his back to goal. He's 6 foot 3, has a decent workrate and does appear to get stuck in, but he is far too skinny to do any "target man" work at present and as a result, just gets muscled off the ball too often. He's not a lone striker as long as I've got a hole in my arse at the moment. Maybe he can become one but he's just too lightweight and anonymous. If you're playing as a lone striker you've got to be decent in the air and able to go toe to toe with a centre half. You've got to be able to bring the wide players and number 10 into the game in the final third as well. He doesn't do an awful lot of that from what I've seen of him.
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 5, 2022 16:29:34 GMT
If Surridge cost 2.5M, it's still more than what Cardiff paid for Moore, Blackburn paid for Adam Armstrong, Swansea paid for Piroe, Luton paid for Adebayo, Coventry paid for Gyokeres, Coventry paid for Godden, Preston paid for Emil-Riis, Millwall paid for Bradshaw, Blackpool paid for Yates, Huddersfield paid for Ward, QPR paid for Dykes.
These are all players who have scored more over the last few seasons for their clubs than Surridge has this season.
2.5M is not an insignificant fee to be paying for anyone in this market these days. You should be expecting a hell of a lot more for your dough even if you allow him growing room to be a project.
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Post by onionman on Jan 5, 2022 16:37:09 GMT
He's not a fox in the box. He's not cunning in the slightest, and he's rarely in the box.
He's actually a camel in the channel.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 5, 2022 16:37:14 GMT
I'd like to think that 4-2-3-1 would actually work well for him right now. With Ince, Campbell and Doughty all around him he could probably get a lot of chances. He does work for the team off the ball as well, especially when out of possession. He's definitely not been bought as a player who can be an immediate impact though. Personally I think that if he put on a few pounds of muscle this summer he could do a decent job with his back to goal. He's 6 foot 3, has a decent workrate and does appear to get stuck in, but he is far too skinny to do any "target man" work at present and as a result, just gets muscled off the ball too often. He's not a lone striker as long as I've got a hole in my arse at the moment. Maybe he can become one but he's just too lightweight and anonymous. If you're playing as a lone striker you've got to be decent in the air and able to go toe to toe with a centre half. You've got to be able to bring the wide players and number 10 into the game in the final third as well. He doesn't do an awful lot of that from what I've seen of him. 4-3-3 with 2 of Brown/Campbell/Doughty either side of him and Vrancic as part of a 3 man midfield seems ideal to me......
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 5, 2022 16:39:40 GMT
I'd like to think that 4-2-3-1 would actually work well for him right now. With Ince, Campbell and Doughty all around him he could probably get a lot of chances. He does work for the team off the ball as well, especially when out of possession. He's definitely not been bought as a player who can be an immediate impact though. Personally I think that if he put on a few pounds of muscle this summer he could do a decent job with his back to goal. He's 6 foot 3, has a decent workrate and does appear to get stuck in, but he is far too skinny to do any "target man" work at present and as a result, just gets muscled off the ball too often. He's not a lone striker as long as I've got a hole in my arse at the moment. Maybe he can become one but he's just too lightweight and anonymous. If you're playing as a lone striker you've got to be decent in the air and able to go toe to toe with a centre half. You've got to be able to bring the wide players and number 10 into the game in the final third as well. He doesn't do an awful lot of that from what I've seen of him. That's only true when the ball is in the air though. We'd have to adapt a lot and it is more conjecture at this point as I can't ever see us doing it. Scott Hogan often used to play as a lone striker at Brentford and was successful with Sawyers sitting behind him in a 4-2-3-1. I know that you don't like him (Hogan) as a footballer, but he was also a poacher with little else to his game who definitely couldn't play with his back to goal or compete in the air. He was still very successful for Brentford in that period. Surridge would only succeed in a 4-2-3-1 at present if he played off the shoulder and had someone in the hole (Ince) playing well. When Powell comes back, he can easily fill the target man aspects of that game instead of Ince.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 16:53:52 GMT
He's not a lone striker as long as I've got a hole in my arse at the moment. Maybe he can become one but he's just too lightweight and anonymous. If you're playing as a lone striker you've got to be decent in the air and able to go toe to toe with a centre half. You've got to be able to bring the wide players and number 10 into the game in the final third as well. He doesn't do an awful lot of that from what I've seen of him. 4-3-3 with 2 of Brown/Campbell/Doughty either side of him and Vrancic as part of a 3 man midfield seems ideal to me...... In that system your centre forward still has to be able to mix it and link the play though, he needs to be a focal point one way or another. That's part of the reason why Afobe tanked, Rowett was dead set on playing 4-3-3 and his main striker couldn't (or wouldn't) do any of that stuff.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 16:58:45 GMT
He's not a lone striker as long as I've got a hole in my arse at the moment. Maybe he can become one but he's just too lightweight and anonymous. If you're playing as a lone striker you've got to be decent in the air and able to go toe to toe with a centre half. You've got to be able to bring the wide players and number 10 into the game in the final third as well. He doesn't do an awful lot of that from what I've seen of him. That's only true when the ball is in the air though. We'd have to adapt a lot and it is more conjecture at this point as I can't ever see us doing it. Scott Hogan often used to play as a lone striker at Brentford and was successful with Sawyers sitting behind him in a 4-2-3-1. I know that you don't like him (Hogan) as a footballer, but he was also a poacher with little else to his game who definitely couldn't play with his back to goal or compete in the air. He was still very successful for Brentford in that period. Surridge would only succeed in a 4-2-3-1 at present if he played off the shoulder and had someone in the hole (Ince) playing well. When Powell comes back, he can easily fill the target man aspects of that game instead of Ince. It isn't only true in the air, you've got to be able to hold defenders off playing with your back to goal or on the half-turn too. Hogan seemed to hit a hot streak at the end of one season that carried over into another, he's done nothing like as well before or since.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 5, 2022 17:09:02 GMT
I’m not sure that £5million could be described as a non existent It wasn't 5 million though was it? at least not up front, I had in my head that it was more like 2.5 with potential addons up to 4/5? The post quotes both Brown and Surridge who each cost approximately £2.5 million each
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Post by cvillestokie on Jan 5, 2022 17:13:34 GMT
That's only true when the ball is in the air though. We'd have to adapt a lot and it is more conjecture at this point as I can't ever see us doing it. Scott Hogan often used to play as a lone striker at Brentford and was successful with Sawyers sitting behind him in a 4-2-3-1. I know that you don't like him (Hogan) as a footballer, but he was also a poacher with little else to his game who definitely couldn't play with his back to goal or compete in the air. He was still very successful for Brentford in that period. Surridge would only succeed in a 4-2-3-1 at present if he played off the shoulder and had someone in the hole (Ince) playing well. When Powell comes back, he can easily fill the target man aspects of that game instead of Ince. It isn't only true in the air, you've got to be able to hold defenders off playing with your back to goal or on the half-turn too. Hogan seemed to hit a hot streak at the end of one season that carried over into another, he's done nothing like as well before or since. He's also never really been played in the same system again. Watching Hogan's goals in that period makes for a very boring couple of minutes. They are literally just tap ins from low crosses and balls through from Sawyers. He still put them away when the system was there to suit him. A two striker approach hasn't shown any positives when Fletcher hasn't been used this season. All of the other players come with deficiencies as a solo striker as well and haven't proven to be effective when employed as such. We've spent our load on Surridge so isn't it time we give him the chance to prove himself and gear a system up to allow him to do so? Otherwise it's just a waste of money. Edit - Hogan also did very well at Rochdale before his time at Brenford, which earned him the move to Brentford in the first place.
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Post by thestatusquo on Jan 5, 2022 17:13:51 GMT
I’m not sure that £5million could be described as a non existent For a Championship striker it is these days. Look at Ty last year would we of accepted anywhere near 15-20m for him ? We took a gamble on a young player that had some potential who wasnt playing at his team, unless they are over 30 or out of contract £5m is fairly cheap. But you said our budget was non existent. I was merely pointing out to that £5 million is no small amount. Whether they are good value for that is a different argument.
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Post by miggo on Jan 5, 2022 17:16:48 GMT
If Surridge cost 2.5M, it's still more than what Cardiff paid for Moore, Blackburn paid for Adam Armstrong, Swansea paid for Piroe, Luton paid for Adebayo, Coventry paid for Gyokeres, Coventry paid for Godden, Preston paid for Emil-Riis, Millwall paid for Bradshaw, Blackpool paid for Yates, Huddersfield paid for Ward, QPR paid for Dykes. These are all players who have scored more over the last few seasons for their clubs than Surridge has this season. 2.5M is not an insignificant fee to be paying for anyone in this market these days. You should be expecting a hell of a lot more for your dough even if you allow him growing room to be a project. Surridge has only made 6 starts, 4 of which were the first 4 games of the season when he scored his 2 goals. His other 14 apps have all come from the bench. He has averaged 39 mins on the pitch all season. Im not suggesting he is the answer to our problems far from it but its unfair to question how good he could be given that he had 2 in 4 and then has averaged less than 20 mins a game since. Is it any wonder his confidence has taken a hit ? Most of thise you have mentioned were their clubs main striker playing alot more football than SS has this season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 17:16:48 GMT
It isn't only true in the air, you've got to be able to hold defenders off playing with your back to goal or on the half-turn too. Hogan seemed to hit a hot streak at the end of one season that carried over into another, he's done nothing like as well before or since. He's also never really been played in the same system again. Watching Hogan's goals in that period makes for a very boring couple of minutes. They are literally just tap ins from low crosses and balls through from Sawyers. He still put them away when the system was there to suit him. A two striker approach hasn't shown any positives when Fletcher hasn't been used this season. All of the other players come with deficiencies as a solo striker as well and haven't proven to be effective when employed as such. We've spent our load on Surridge so isn't it time we give him the chance to prove himself and gear a system up to allow him to do so? Otherwise it's just a waste of money. He's got to earn that chance surely by not looking a shower of shit when he does play? The 'we've signed him, we might as well play him' argument used to get trotted out on here about Brek Shea...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 5, 2022 17:20:41 GMT
4-3-3 with 2 of Brown/Campbell/Doughty either side of him and Vrancic as part of a 3 man midfield seems ideal to me...... In that system your centre forward still has to be able to mix it and link the play though, he needs to be a focal point one way or another. That's part of the reason why Afobe tanked, Rowett was dead set on playing 4-3-3 and his main striker couldn't (or wouldn't) do any of that stuff. I think his link up play is ok in the main, until he gets 90 minutes on 3/4 occasions so he can get his sharpness and match fitness up to speed I think we should reserve judgement slightly. He's played 2 games on the bounce once (Birmingham away 0-0 and Swansea away 3-1) and 3 games on the bounce once (Huddersfield home 2-1, Barnsley home 1-1 and Derby away 1-2) and that's basically it apart from the odd 15 minute cameo. He stank the place out at Derby (as did most of them), but the other games mentioned above I thought he was ok. I think some are writing him off way too early........
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 5, 2022 17:21:12 GMT
However we set up though, Surridge isn't really bringing a lot to the table is he? 'Fox in the box' isn't enough, he needs to be that and offer something to our build-up play as well. Fletcher can't play every week so we need an alternative or long-term successor to him. I'd like to think that 4-2-3-1 would actually work well for him right now. With Ince, Campbell and Doughty all around him he could probably get a lot of chances. He does work for the team off the ball as well, especially when out of possession. He's definitely not been bought as a player who can be an immediate impact though. Personally I think that if he put on a few pounds of muscle this summer he could do a decent job with his back to goal. He's 6 foot 3, has a decent workrate and does appear to get stuck in, but he is far too skinny to do any "target man" work at present and as a result, just gets muscled off the ball too often. It's the only hope I can see for him but he's got Everest to climb because he's weak as piss at the moment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 17:22:38 GMT
In that system your centre forward still has to be able to mix it and link the play though, he needs to be a focal point one way or another. That's part of the reason why Afobe tanked, Rowett was dead set on playing 4-3-3 and his main striker couldn't (or wouldn't) do any of that stuff. I think his link up play is ok in the main, until he gets 90 minutes on 3/4 occasions so he can get his sharpness and match fitness up to speed I think we should reserve judgement slightly. He's played 2 games on the bounce once (Birmingham away 0-0 and Swansea away 3-1) and 3 games on the bounce once (Huddersfield home 2-1, Barnsley home 1-1 and Derby away 1-2) and that's basically it apart from the odd start or 15 minute cameo. He stank the place out at Derby (as did most of them), but the other games mentioned above I thought he was ok. I think some are writing him off way too early........ I've honestly tried not to, but each time he comes on he just doesn't seem to take his chance at all. If there's one game that gives me hope it's that Swansea one where he did show some capacity for link up play and set up Clucas' goal with a nice ball. More of that would be lovely.
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Post by miggo on Jan 5, 2022 17:24:29 GMT
You've missed the point. Yes we could have that type of player, but we would have to pay for it. Thats why he cost what he did. You could argue we could of got better value elsewhere and maybe we could of but we didn't. So we are where we are, the manager should know how to implement systems that best suit the players he brought to the club and If he doesn't the he should not be at the club. We depend far too much on the one clever footballer whos already been out for half a season and by the sounds of it won't play for the rest of it either. In the end it does not matter which of our strikers play we are a team that scores 1 in every 7/8 chances we get and at the moment we are only getting 1 or 2 real attempts each game. Its not just about the strikers, whilst i'd of course like better options our complete lack of ability across the rest of the field to create anything resembling a sniff is the bigger issue. It's not just that I'm missing the point, I'm completing lost as to what your point is? For starters I think it should be possible to get more for £2.5m than we've seen from him so far. That's roughly what Buendia cost Norwich. Secondly, I'm not sure there is a system that allows us to play a total passenger, which is what he frequently has been. Thirdly, your strikers aren't just there to stick chances away, they're a key part of your attacking play and the creation of chances. Whether that's creating space, holding the ball up, linking the play, running at players etc. Of course it isn't just down to the strikers but it's not immediately clear what the plan was with him and what role we were expecting him to play. That last line is more damning of the manager than the player, surely ? Yes I expect more from him but sticking up top and then launching balls at him from the back is not his game is it ? If thats the tactic play Fletch and Brown to run off him. If we are playing fast moving counter attacking football (not likely) then stick Ty with Surridge. Its insane to expect any of our strikers to hit form at the minute as the players look as lost as most of us at what the game plan is supposed to be and its not just the strikers this applies to the whole squad at the moment.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 5, 2022 17:25:37 GMT
It's not just that I'm missing the point, I'm completing lost as to what your point is? For starters I think it should be possible to get more for £2.5m than we've seen from him so far. That's roughly what Buendia cost Norwich. Secondly, I'm not sure there is a system that allows us to play a total passenger, which is what he frequently has been. Thirdly, your strikers aren't just there to stick chances away, they're a key part of your attacking play and the creation of chances. Whether that's creating space, holding the ball up, linking the play, running at players etc. Of course it isn't just down to the strikers but it's not immediately clear what the plan was with him and what role we were expecting him to play. That last line is more damning of the manager than the player, surely ? Yes I expect more from him but sticking up top and then launching balls at him from the back is not his game is it ? If thats the tactic play Fletch and Brown to run off him. If we are playing fast moving counter attacking football (not likely) then stick Ty with Surridge. Its insane to expect any of our strikers to hit form at the minute as the players look as lost as most of us at what the game plan is supposed to be and its not just the strikers this applies to the whole squad at the moment. We can't play fast moving counter attacking football at home though, that's been the problem hasn't it? It is damning of the manager, absolutely.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 5, 2022 17:26:11 GMT
I think his link up play is ok in the main, until he gets 90 minutes on 3/4 occasions so he can get his sharpness and match fitness up to speed I think we should reserve judgement slightly. He's played 2 games on the bounce once (Birmingham away 0-0 and Swansea away 3-1) and 3 games on the bounce once (Huddersfield home 2-1, Barnsley home 1-1 and Derby away 1-2) and that's basically it apart from the odd start or 15 minute cameo. He stank the place out at Derby (as did most of them), but the other games mentioned above I thought he was ok. I think some are writing him off way too early........ I've honestly tried not to, but each time he comes on he just doesn't seem to take his chance at all. If there's one game that gives me hope it's that Swansea one where he did show some capacity for link up play and set up Clucas' goal with a nice ball. More of that would be lovely. Don't disagree, but a striker more than anyone needs a run of games and it's hard to make an instant impact especially in a team devoid of confidence and struggling. If Fletcher is injured for a few weeks like it appears he might be, let's just give him 3/4 games on the spin and see how it goes I say.......
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Post by Ron on Jan 5, 2022 18:42:59 GMT
There’s a player in there for me. He was signed to be the main striker but as someone has aid he’s hardly had a run of games. Some players struggle to get into a game when they come off the bench-but he was particularly bad on sat with a good chunk of 2nd half.
However- lumping it up to him as we hopelessly resorted to on sat is clearly not his game.
Worthy of a run in the side for a whole - he can’t do any worse- and the Campbell needs taking out of the firing line - he looks shot at the moment.
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Post by moon on Jan 5, 2022 18:52:38 GMT
It wasn't 5 million though was it? at least not up front, I had in my head that it was more like 2.5 with potential addons up to 4/5? The post quotes both Brown and Surridge who each cost approximately £2.5 million each Fair play, I admit I didn’t read the whole thread
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