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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2022 10:14:48 GMT
Where did I say 'calls the shots' out of interest?
I'm talking about a director of football or a consultancy type role that can help the directors steer the club in the right direction. Turn on BT sport and you'll see Wrexham playing Grimsby - the two Holywood lads employ Les Reed as a consultant to help them run the club on the football side of the business. Even the Shanahans at the Vale have employed David Flitcroft in a similar role. There's two clubs in Non-League and League Two that have something we don't.
We had nobody until MON rocked up, and he picked his mate from NI and even that is in a role that can't really be described as a Director of Football type role. Before that it was John's mate Cartwright, a glorified agent as a Technical Director.
Pretty much all top clubs have one these days. We are so far behind the times it is untrue.
We need genuine direction at the 'top',suggests to me an 'executive director' who indeed can 'call the shots', the role of the Chairman or CEO at most clubs I would say. An advisor on football related matters is certainly beneficial imho,but is usually a none executive director at best and is probably not able to dictate to the Fist Team Manager, as was the role of John Rudge in his time at Stoke. It needs to be somebody the manager reports to. The hierarchy of the football side of things can’t stop with the manager. There needs to be a coordinator above them, bridging the gap between the pitch and the boardroom, integrating recruitment, the academy and other areas, ensuring everything is pulling in the same direction. That gives the club an identity that remains even as managers come and go. One of the things that’s pushed us deeper into the mire is replacing managers with their polar opposite, leaving a squad that doesn’t suit them and asking them to start from scratch. Getting in a DoF or Sporting Director helps you avoid that. It isn’t foolproof by any measure, as Everton demonstrate, and after working so well at Norwich it’s gone tits up there. But it seems to be a better, more helpful model overall than the one we’ve got and there’s a reason even clubs in League 1 and 2 are embracing it.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 29, 2022 10:19:01 GMT
Where did I say 'calls the shots' out of interest?
I'm talking about a director of football or a consultancy type role that can help the directors steer the club in the right direction. Turn on BT sport and you'll see Wrexham playing Grimsby - the two Holywood lads employ Les Reed as a consultant to help them run the club on the football side of the business. Even the Shanahans at the Vale have employed David Flitcroft in a similar role. There's two clubs in Non-League and League Two that have something we don't.
We had nobody until MON rocked up, and he picked his mate from NI and even that is in a role that can't really be described as a Director of Football type role. Before that it was John's mate Cartwright, a glorified agent as a Technical Director.
Pretty much all top clubs have one these days. We are so far behind the times it is untrue.
We need genuine direction at the 'top',suggests to me an 'executive director' who indeed can 'call the shots', the role of the Chairman or CEO at most clubs I would say. An advisor on football related matters is certainly beneficial imho,but is usually a none executive director at best and is probably not able to dictate to the Fist Team Manager, as was the role of John Rudge in his time at Stoke. Dictatorships are toxic whichever way around they are balanced. If you get someone who can’t operate without always getting their own way you’re better off rid of them.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 29, 2022 20:47:00 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him
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Post by Goonie on May 29, 2022 20:49:53 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him It makes you wonder what we bought and sold him so quickly?
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Post by wilcopotter on May 29, 2022 21:04:44 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him It makes you wonder what we bought and sold him so quickly? Bayern will know, it’s probably one of those stories he was lamenting about on another thread that had no substance😂😂
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 29, 2022 21:53:45 GMT
I wonder if we put a "promotion" clause in his transfer? Gouranga.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 29, 2022 22:25:47 GMT
I wonder if we put a "promotion" clause in his transfer? Gouranga. It's more likely that we agreed to refund Burnley with a relegation clause.
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Post by a on May 29, 2022 22:55:08 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him Yep, seems a few of our cast offs have done pretty well, Nathan Jones and Rowett (albeit with nothing to show other than a higher finish) Fair play to Surridge, he’ll be the envy of our squad that’s for sure.
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on May 29, 2022 23:05:58 GMT
Form, antics, behaviour, whatever it may be, to sign a player in August and then sell him in January to another championship club suggests a massive failing in recruitment. I’ve not been impressed with many of MONs signings. I really hope he finally gets it right this summer.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2022 23:26:10 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him Will get a nice pay increase but may find his playing time very limited. He's been mainly a bench option this season (only 7 league starts) and if Forest want to have any chance of staying up a striker will be high on their list of priorities.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 30, 2022 15:03:28 GMT
Here’s a premier league player now so it was a good move for him Will get a nice pay increase but may find his playing time very limited. He's been mainly a bench option this season (only 7 league starts) and if Forest want to have any chance of staying up a striker will be high on their list of priorities. He has age on his side and may well be a player that comes off the bench for quite a few games but perhaps the plan is to coach him correctly give him the support and instill confidence in him to develop him into a possible top striker. All season given the choice between Surrige, Fletcher, Sima or Maja I know who I would have persevered with. Good luck to the lad, just a pity he wasn't give a fair crack at Stoke. Gouranga.
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Post by JimmyisGod on May 30, 2022 16:40:46 GMT
Lets hope we have an add on promotion bonus of a couple of million to be paid
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 30, 2022 16:45:37 GMT
Lets hope we have an add on promotion bonus of a couple of million to be paid Oh look a pig flying….. I would imagine (quite rightly) they were just happy to fuck him off. What they got wrong is that it should have resulted in the manager going too.
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Post by Billy the kid on May 30, 2022 18:41:47 GMT
Forest fans love him 🤷♂️ he was as beige and beige during his time here. A complete nothing of a player.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 30, 2022 18:45:40 GMT
He’ll be about as much use as a limp dick in the Premier League.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 30, 2022 18:46:13 GMT
Forest fans love him 🤷♂️ he was as beige and beige during his time here. A complete nothing of a player. I’m not a MON fan but I’ll back his judgement on Surridge. Weak and slow unfortunately he took it back for a refund and bought(well loaned) exactly the same thing again in a different coloured box.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 30, 2022 18:50:25 GMT
Either way, he'll be having the last laugh when he adds 'Premier League Footballer' to his CV, whilst half of our 'superstars' are putting 'ever present in Stoke's worst side in recent memory' to theirs.
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Post by zommbee on May 30, 2022 18:58:31 GMT
He's been a Premier League player before, at Bournemouth, he'll be a Championship player again in the future too.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 30, 2022 19:06:07 GMT
The most concerning thing is by definition the recruitment saw a player with premier league potential but the management group couldn’t get it out of him he’s clearly prickly but er aren’t going to get 25 good sorts and get promoted it’s up to management to manage them
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Post by a on May 30, 2022 19:09:52 GMT
I remember many writing Jacob Brown off too…
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 30, 2022 19:42:54 GMT
The most concerning thing is by definition the recruitment saw a player with premier league potential but the management group couldn’t get it out of him he’s clearly prickly but er aren’t going to get 25 good sorts and get promoted it’s up to management to manage them We’ll if you can only manage “good sorts” you’re not really much of a manager are you.
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Post by whatsashig on May 30, 2022 20:02:30 GMT
Fiery my arse
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 30, 2022 20:03:49 GMT
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Post by whatsashig on May 30, 2022 20:05:58 GMT
He’s more of a korma really from what I saw
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 30, 2022 20:26:29 GMT
We need genuine direction at the 'top',suggests to me an 'executive director' who indeed can 'call the shots', the role of the Chairman or CEO at most clubs I would say. An advisor on football related matters is certainly beneficial imho,but is usually a none executive director at best and is probably not able to dictate to the Fist Team Manager, as was the role of John Rudge in his time at Stoke. It needs to be somebody the manager reports to. The hierarchy of the football side of things can’t stop with the manager. There needs to be a coordinator above them, bridging the gap between the pitch and the boardroom, integrating recruitment, the academy and other areas, ensuring everything is pulling in the same direction. That gives the club an identity that remains even as managers come and go. One of the things that’s pushed us deeper into the mire is replacing managers with their polar opposite, leaving a squad that doesn’t suit them and asking them to start from scratch. Getting in a DoF or Sporting Director helps you avoid that. It isn’t foolproof by any measure, as Everton demonstrate, and after working so well at Norwich it’s gone tits up there. But it seems to be a better, more helpful model overall than the one we’ve got and there’s a reason even clubs in League 1 and 2 are embracing it. Is that the model they have at Brentford because whatever they’re doing seems to be working very well?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 30, 2022 20:34:52 GMT
I’d take Surridge’s old man’s comments with a pinch of salt judging by some of his previous tweets🙄
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Post by FullerMagic on May 30, 2022 20:46:54 GMT
I’d take Surridge’s old man’s comments with a pinch of salt judging by some of his previous tweets🙄 Got the full Right Said Fred/Matt Le Tiss bingo card going on, on that twitter timeline, including flat earth.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 30, 2022 20:47:59 GMT
I’d take Surridge’s old man’s comments with a pinch of salt judging by some of his previous tweets🙄 Got the full Right Said Fred/Matt Le Tiss bingo card going on, on that twitter timeline, including flat earth. Exactly FM🤣
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Post by iglugluk on May 30, 2022 20:54:25 GMT
Got the full Right Said Fred/Matt Le Tiss bingo card going on, on that twitter timeline, including flat earth. Exactly FM🤣 The guy's clearly nutty as a fruit cake.
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Post by a on May 30, 2022 22:04:41 GMT
I’d take Surridge’s old man’s comments with a pinch of salt judging by some of his previous tweets🙄 Wow he is full blown conspiracy theorist! What a nut job
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