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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 5, 2021 10:22:33 GMT
Too good for Everton, he should go no lower than Tottenham!!! And Stoke should go no lower than (at the very least) £30M!!!
This guy is 22, and going places!!!
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Post by 3putts on Oct 5, 2021 11:11:30 GMT
It all depends what the player wants do? We don't have a say(unfortunately) I just hope the player is enjoying the team spirit we have here and promotion is a definate possibility. I think its a big help that he has been around a group all learning and improving bursik, tymon, tyres, plus others waiting to break through
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2021 11:12:14 GMT
Too good for Everton, he should go no lower than Tottenham!!! And Stoke should go no lower than (at the very least) £30M!!! This guy is 22, and going places!!! The way he is progressing he will be 50m inside 18 months. If Maguire is 80m I would actually argue more than 50m.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 5, 2021 11:28:29 GMT
I think what we need to do is pretty simple. Slap a massive price tag on his head, say £40m, and say meet that or he's staying. If someone meets that price, then we'll have to accept as it'll be the responsible thing to do as a Championship club who's hampered by FFP rules and use the money to replace him and hopefully make improvements to the rest of the squad to maintain our promotion push (assuming we're still in the hunt). If no one meets the valuation then he stays. And if he stays and sulks and doesn't play as well in the second half of the season then we'll cash in on him next summer instead.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 5, 2021 13:00:03 GMT
I think what we need to do is pretty simple. Slap a massive price tag on his head, say £40m, and say meet that or he's staying. If someone meets that price, then we'll have to accept as it'll be the responsible thing to do as a Championship club who's hampered by FFP rules and use the money to replace him and hopefully make improvements to the rest of the squad to maintain our promotion push (assuming we're still in the hunt). If no one meets the valuation then he stays. And if he stays and sulks and doesn't play as well in the second half of the season then we'll cash in on him next summer instead. But we are going up. He's the new improved Ryan Shawcross 5.0. Keep believing
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Post by obhstokie on Oct 5, 2021 13:37:00 GMT
I think some of the valuations on here are a bit over the top! There's not a chance we would get anywhere near 40/50m some people have said Looking at transfers out of the championship for defenders, only 1 over 25m & Ake had years of premier league/international football (good standard) experience Yes Souttar looks absolute fantastic so far this season & it doesn't surprise me clubs are looking at him. However, I can't see someone taking a risk of over 20/25m on a player who hasn't been tested in the premier league yet Would be interesting to see if he included a buy clause in the contract he signed recently & how much that would have been
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Post by onefatcopper on Oct 5, 2021 13:51:06 GMT
Yes but he’s our player on a newly signed long term contract, do we cash in on him in January for £20 million or do we keep our nerve and go for the premier league jackpot of £100 million ? We are not in dire straits just yet so wouldn’t it be sensible to have at least one of our youngsters up to speed as a replacement before we let Harry go.
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Post by Gifton on Oct 5, 2021 13:54:00 GMT
He should realise he's too good for Everton?! Really? I hate to be the barer of bad news but he would jump at Everton and rightly so! They have a brilliant record of taking centre halves from Championship clubs and developing them into top Premier League defenders. Plus if he proves his worth at Goodison Park it's the perfect stepping stone to the top table as big clubs often pick at the very best of Everton's squad. In fact if I was advising him I would implore him to go to Everton before a United, a Liverpool or an Arsenal. It would be a great club for him to hone his top flight craft at, without the glare of the world analysing his every mistake, like he would get at certain clubs.
Also, anyone who thinks we could get 30, 40 or 50 £million for him right now is deluded, regardless of what he may end up being worth in a couple of years. It's just not how it works. He's completely unproven at the highest level, defenders tend to go for less on the whole, he's not on a big wage plus the whole effect covid has had on finances. Name one CB who has left a Championship team for £30,000,000.
Plus lets not forget we are Stoke! We just don't get big money for our players. Whether that's due to our negotiating skills or the fact we are unfashionable, or possibly a mix of the two, I'm not sure. Our players seem to be presumed cloggers until they prove themselves elsewhere. There seems to be this false consensus in the media that West Ham took an over priced punt on Arnie and that he became a real player whilst he was at the London Stadium. It was similar with N'Zonzi and it would be just the same if Souttar went to Everton.
It would be amazing if we could retain him and take him to the Premier League with us but we can't just abandon all sense of reality, you're just setting yourselves up for a disappointment.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 5, 2021 17:06:51 GMT
I think some of the valuations on here are a bit over the top! There's not a chance we would get anywhere near 40/50m some people have said Looking at transfers out of the championship for defenders, only 1 over 25m & Ake had years of premier league/international football (good standard) experience Yes Souttar looks absolute fantastic so far this season & it doesn't surprise me clubs are looking at him. However, I can't see someone taking a risk of over 20/25m on a player who hasn't been tested in the premier league yet Would be interesting to see if he included a buy clause in the contract he signed recently & how much that would have been View AttachmentThat's the point. You set the valuation, if someone meets it then take the money, if no one will pay it (most likely) we keep the player till next summer where we can reassess depending on what division we're in. So I'd just set the price around £40m and see what happens. We don't lose either way because we either keep a great player or pocket a huge amount of money for this level which is FFP proof.
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Post by retrostoke on Oct 5, 2021 17:38:54 GMT
You can’t dictate to a player if he has his sights set on the Premiership. Ambition is a completely natural human characteristic. You can offer him money, you can make him captain and you can talk about the clubs ambitions but Stoke can’t promise to deliver premiership football. You can’t blame the lad for wanting to test himself at a premiership club. That’s modern football. No good pointing fingers in Stokes direction. I’m sure they will do everything they can to keep him but he will have his head turned in January and whether he leaves or not will be entirely his decision
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Oct 5, 2021 18:08:18 GMT
I think some of the valuations on here are a bit over the top! There's not a chance we would get anywhere near 40/50m some people have said Looking at transfers out of the championship for defenders, only 1 over 25m & Ake had years of premier league/international football (good standard) experience Yes Souttar looks absolute fantastic so far this season & it doesn't surprise me clubs are looking at him. However, I can't see someone taking a risk of over 20/25m on a player who hasn't been tested in the premier league yetWould be interesting to see if he included a buy clause in the contract he signed recently & how much that would have been View AttachmentOnly the wizards that are Messrs. Scholes and Cartwright would do such a thing (see fat boy Wimmer for details)
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Post by 16quidachuck on Oct 6, 2021 8:15:43 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2021 8:28:36 GMT
He should realise he's too good for Everton?! Really? I hate to be the barer of bad news but he would jump at Everton and rightly so! They have a brilliant record of taking centre halves from Championship clubs and developing them into top Premier League defenders. Plus if he proves his worth at Goodison Park it's the perfect stepping stone to the top table as big clubs often pick at the very best of Everton's squad. In fact if I was advising him I would implore him to go to Everton before a United, a Liverpool or an Arsenal. It would be a great club for him to hone his top flight craft at, without the glare of the world analysing his every mistake, like he would get at certain clubs. Also, anyone who thinks we could get 30, 40 or 50 £million for him right now is deluded, regardless of what he may end up being worth in a couple of years. It's just not how it works. He's completely unproven at the highest level, defenders tend to go for less on the whole, he's not on a big wage plus the whole effect covid has had on finances. Name one CB who has left a Championship team for £30,000,000. Plus lets not forget we are Stoke! We just don't get big money for our players. Whether that's due to our negotiating skills or the fact we are unfashionable, or possibly a mix of the two, I'm not sure. Our players seem to be presumed cloggers until they prove themselves elsewhere. There seems to be this false consensus in the media that West Ham took an over priced punt on Arnie and that he became a real player whilst he was at the London Stadium. It was similar with N'Zonzi and it would be just the same if Souttar went to Everton. It would be amazing if we could retain him and take him to the Premier League with us but we can't just abandon all sense of reality, you're just setting yourselves up for a disappointment. IF we get promoted and play a couple of seasons in the Premiership whilst retaining Souttar he will be worth £50m. He's that good. If Collins went for the 12-15m we are led to believe from the championship then Souttar will be 50m having proved it in the Premiership. Souttar is a far better player. I mean for fooks sakes Zouma sold for 30 odd million very recently.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 6, 2021 9:10:19 GMT
I would be amazed if we got more than £20m. It would be unusual.
and if Everton are really interested, no way he will stay here. That's a massive move for any Stoke player.
Promotion the only hope and even then if bigger clubs come in will be a challenge.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 6, 2021 9:15:46 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 6, 2021 11:06:10 GMT
If MON goes up Newcastle then who’s he going come after? Hopefully Brown.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Oct 6, 2021 11:35:37 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2021 11:39:19 GMT
If MON goes up Newcastle then who’s he going come after? Hopefully Brown. 🎏
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 6, 2021 22:42:57 GMT
Too good for Everton, he should go no lower than Tottenham!!! And Stoke should go no lower than (at the very least) £30M!!! This guy is 22, and going places!!! Everton are the 15th richest club in the world above AC Milan and Roma.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 6, 2021 23:12:54 GMT
Too good for Everton, he should go no lower than Tottenham!!! And Stoke should go no lower than (at the very least) £30M!!! This guy is 22, and going places!!! Everton are the 15th richest club in the world above AC Milan and Roma. He's to good for them as well then!!!
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Post by bertiestan on Oct 6, 2021 23:41:20 GMT
Show ambition he stays a little longer...he was never going stay long term as he's so good, we've got him til at least the summer imo. one things for sure he'll end up going for a damn site more than Collins.
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Post by Linx on Oct 7, 2021 5:45:56 GMT
He should realise he's too good for Everton?! Really? I hate to be the barer of bad news but he would jump at Everton and rightly so! They have a brilliant record of taking centre halves from Championship clubs and developing them into top Premier League defenders. Plus if he proves his worth at Goodison Park it's the perfect stepping stone to the top table as big clubs often pick at the very best of Everton's squad. In fact if I was advising him I would implore him to go to Everton before a United, a Liverpool or an Arsenal. It would be a great club for him to hone his top flight craft at, without the glare of the world analysing his every mistake, like he would get at certain clubs. Also, anyone who thinks we could get 30, 40 or 50 £million for him right now is deluded, regardless of what he may end up being worth in a couple of years. It's just not how it works. He's completely unproven at the highest level, defenders tend to go for less on the whole, he's not on a big wage plus the whole effect covid has had on finances. Name one CB who has left a Championship team for £30,000,000. Plus lets not forget we are Stoke! We just don't get big money for our players. Whether that's due to our negotiating skills or the fact we are unfashionable, or possibly a mix of the two, I'm not sure. Our players seem to be presumed cloggers until they prove themselves elsewhere. There seems to be this false consensus in the media that West Ham took an over priced punt on Arnie and that he became a real player whilst he was at the London Stadium. It was similar with N'Zonzi and it would be just the same if Souttar went to Everton. It would be amazing if we could retain him and take him to the Premier League with us but we can't just abandon all sense of reality, you're just setting yourselves up for a disappointment. A bucketful of cold water reality there, mate. Unfortunately very true.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 6:14:59 GMT
Never has someone gone from being so underrated to so overrated. And as ever I think he’s one of the best defenders in this league and don’t want us to lose him this season and don’t think we will.
2m is closer to what we’d get than 30m though IMO.
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 7, 2021 6:25:11 GMT
So Spurs think that the Wimmer-man would be 4x more valuable than Souttar. Makes sense, not.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 6:56:17 GMT
So Spurs think that the Wimmer-man would be 4x more valuable than Souttar. Makes sense, not. Do you actually think we’d get 18m for him?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 7, 2021 7:00:17 GMT
Everton would be perfect for him, massive club and he’d get plenty of game time. He won’t ge going anywhere till the summer at least though……
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2021 7:19:11 GMT
I would be amazed if we got more than £20m. It would be unusual. and if Everton are really interested, no way he will stay here. That's a massive move for any Stoke player. Promotion the only hope and even then if bigger clubs come in will be a challenge. It wasn't that long ago when some deluded folk on here were saying we were on a par with Everton as a football club
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 7, 2021 7:23:43 GMT
So Spurs think that the Wimmer-man would be 4x more valuable than Souttar. Makes sense, not. Do you actually think we’d get 18m for him? Would be reasonable happy for 20M (plus add ons) for Souttar.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 7, 2021 7:44:22 GMT
Starting price is £40m, except to spurs where the starting price is £80m to those shysters. I think if Everton offer £20m he be gone. Then someone's head would need to roll
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 8:05:24 GMT
Do you actually think we’d get 18m for him? Would be reasonable happy for 20M (plus add ons) for Souttar. That’s not what I asked tbh. Do you think we’d get it?
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