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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 7, 2021 8:21:05 GMT
Would be reasonable happy for 20M (plus add ons) for Souttar. That’s not what I asked tbh. Do you think we’d get it? Way too little as we don't need to sell! On a long time contract, still very young, needs to play regularly, soon PL with Stoke!
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 7, 2021 8:30:17 GMT
Would be reasonable happy for 20M (plus add ons) for Souttar. That’s not what I asked tbh. Do you think we’d get it? I think 20 mill plus add ons would be in the ballpark, so yes.
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Post by apb1 on Oct 7, 2021 8:34:21 GMT
If Collins, great potential but less proven over time, can fetch £12m, I'd say Souttar, who looks imperious this season, could go for £15m - £20m. £2m is an absolute crock of shit and typical Spurs gambit. Ben White is a good player but is he 25 times as good as Soutts? Absolute madness.
He seems a level headed chap so let's hope he's on board with the promotion project and then see where we are in summer. He'll probably go if we don't go up, I'm resigned to it.
Slightly off topic but weird that when we went up no-one wanted Lawrence, Fuller etc in the January window. We really were seen as untouchables back then, no-one wanted to buy from nasty thuggish Stoke for years did they?
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Post by Gifton on Oct 7, 2021 8:59:26 GMT
He should realise he's too good for Everton?! Really? I hate to be the barer of bad news but he would jump at Everton and rightly so! They have a brilliant record of taking centre halves from Championship clubs and developing them into top Premier League defenders. Plus if he proves his worth at Goodison Park it's the perfect stepping stone to the top table as big clubs often pick at the very best of Everton's squad. In fact if I was advising him I would implore him to go to Everton before a United, a Liverpool or an Arsenal. It would be a great club for him to hone his top flight craft at, without the glare of the world analysing his every mistake, like he would get at certain clubs. Also, anyone who thinks we could get 30, 40 or 50 £million for him right now is deluded, regardless of what he may end up being worth in a couple of years. It's just not how it works. He's completely unproven at the highest level, defenders tend to go for less on the whole, he's not on a big wage plus the whole effect covid has had on finances. Name one CB who has left a Championship team for £30,000,000. Plus lets not forget we are Stoke! We just don't get big money for our players. Whether that's due to our negotiating skills or the fact we are unfashionable, or possibly a mix of the two, I'm not sure. Our players seem to be presumed cloggers until they prove themselves elsewhere. There seems to be this false consensus in the media that West Ham took an over priced punt on Arnie and that he became a real player whilst he was at the London Stadium. It was similar with N'Zonzi and it would be just the same if Souttar went to Everton. It would be amazing if we could retain him and take him to the Premier League with us but we can't just abandon all sense of reality, you're just setting yourselves up for a disappointment. IF we get promoted and play a couple of seasons in the Premiership whilst retaining Souttar he will be worth £50m. He's that good. If Collins went for the 12-15m we are led to believe from the championship then Souttar will be 50m having proved it in the Premiership. Souttar is a far better player. I mean for fooks sakes Zouma sold for 30 odd million very recently. That's all ifs, buts and maybes. People are trying to claim he is worth that now...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 8:59:30 GMT
If MON goes up Newcastle then who’s he going come after? Hopefully Brown. What’s that got to do with Souttar?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 7, 2021 9:05:43 GMT
Harry counts as Homegrown as well. Normally that adds 5 mill onto the value. I think there could be a bidding war next summer seeing how many parties are interested.
However factor in Tony Scholes and we will probably let him go for 10-15M.
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Post by Gifton on Oct 7, 2021 9:09:26 GMT
£60,000,000?!?! WTF! Why don't we just hold out for a world record fee. If Neymar is worth £200,000,000 then Souttar has to be worth £300,000,000 surely? Jesus wept...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 9:34:10 GMT
That’s not what I asked tbh. Do you think we’d get it? Way too little as we don't need to sell! On a long time contract, still very young, needs to play regularly, soon PL with Stoke! I agree but do you think we’d get it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 9:34:43 GMT
That’s not what I asked tbh. Do you think we’d get it? I think 20 mill plus add ons would be in the ballpark, so yes. You think we’d get that?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 9:43:43 GMT
I think 20 mill plus add ons would be in the ballpark, so yes. You think we’d get that? Bearing in mind he’s unlikely to go until next summer. He’ll have a another full season under his belt. If he keeps playing to the level he’s started the season, or even improves, then yes 20 mil is easily achievable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 9:44:55 GMT
Bearing in mind he’s unlikely to go until next summer. He’ll have a another full season under his belt. If he keeps playing to the level he’s started the season, or even improves, then yes 20 mil is easily achievable. I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 9:49:29 GMT
Bearing in mind he’s unlikely to go until next summer. He’ll have a another full season under his belt. If he keeps playing to the level he’s started the season, or even improves, then yes 20 mil is easily achievable. I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking. I’m sure we’ll find out next June. To be honest I hope you’re right and so we decide not to sell. Certainly not at the figures you reckon.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 7, 2021 10:02:09 GMT
If we don't go up then you'd have thought £20m would be achieveable if progress is maintained. In the same depressing scenario, if Tyrese comes back firing and we miss out, he'll be off too.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 10:08:12 GMT
If we don't go up then you'd have thought £20m would be achieveable if progress is maintained. In the same depressing scenario, if Tyrese comes back firing and we miss out, he'll be off too. Sadly true. But we now have decent prospects coming through to replace them. Or if we get good money for them cash to spend on replacements.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 10:22:54 GMT
I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking. I’m sure we’ll find out next June. To be honest I hope you’re right and so we decide not to sell. Certainly not at the figures you reckon. There's no chance we sell this season is there? Unless it is some kind of mad fee.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 10:39:36 GMT
I’m sure we’ll find out next June. To be honest I hope you’re right and so we decide not to sell. Certainly not at the figures you reckon. There's no chance we sell this season is there? Unless it is some kind of mad fee. No Shirley not. January would be too early for Forester or Taylor to show if they’ve got what it takes. And plus if we do go up he’ll presumably want to stay and give it a whirl with us. 🤷♂️
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 7, 2021 10:50:06 GMT
If Spurs are interested then the starting price is in the region of £41 to £46m
Based on £15m to £20m for Harry, plus the £26m they owe us for Wimmer and Palacios.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 7, 2021 10:53:57 GMT
Bearing in mind he’s unlikely to go until next summer. He’ll have a another full season under his belt. If he keeps playing to the level he’s started the season, or even improves, then yes 20 mil is easily achievable. I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking. But if Collins is 12-15m then surely Souttar is worth more. I wouldn't entertain anything below 20m now. But obviously we want to keep him as he will be a 50m player in years to come and he will be a big part in getting us back to the top league.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 11:31:49 GMT
I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking. But if Collins is 12-15m then surely Souttar is worth more. I wouldn't entertain anything below 20m now. But obviously we want to keep him as he will be a 50m player in years to come and he will be a big part in getting us back to the top league. Collins is more highly rated though and that matters despite what people may think. Do you honestly think he'll be a 50m pound player?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 7, 2021 11:34:51 GMT
Bearing in mind he’s unlikely to go until next summer. He’ll have a another full season under his belt. If he keeps playing to the level he’s started the season, or even improves, then yes 20 mil is easily achievable. I think it's a stretch myself. I'm still in the 5-8m initially and add ons to maybe 15m if we're lucky thinking. Hahahaha that's funny. And if that is the case, he's going nowhere.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 7, 2021 11:36:20 GMT
£15m plus a sell on clause would be fair in the current climate. Throw Ellis Simms in to seal the deal.......
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Post by lordb on Oct 7, 2021 11:37:26 GMT
But if Collins is 12-15m then surely Souttar is worth more. I wouldn't entertain anything below 20m now. But obviously we want to keep him as he will be a 50m player in years to come and he will be a big part in getting us back to the top league. Collins is more highly rated though and that matters despite what people may think. Do you honestly think he'll be a 50m pound player? He's a chance for that yes. Not now or next summer but one good season in the Premier League and could go for that
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Post by sensiblestokie on Oct 7, 2021 11:42:02 GMT
But if Collins is 12-15m then surely Souttar is worth more. I wouldn't entertain anything below 20m now. But obviously we want to keep him as he will be a 50m player in years to come and he will be a big part in getting us back to the top league. Collins is more highly rated though and that matters despite what people may think. Do you honestly think he'll be a 50m pound player? Highly rated by who? This Collins has more potential than Souttar shit is boring. Souttar has been one of, if not the, best central defender in the league this season. Collins was moved to accommodate him here, so who is actually rating him higher? Souttar carries on this season like he has done, he’s miles ahead of Collins. Unless he does the same at Burnley which I can’t see, he’s played one game hasn’t he? I like Collins, but for me Souttar is head and shoulders above him at this moment in time. 20m fee absolutely minimum.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 11:48:06 GMT
Collins is more highly rated though and that matters despite what people may think. Do you honestly think he'll be a 50m pound player? Highly rated by who? This Collins has more potential than Souttar shit is boring. Souttar has been one of, if not the, best central defender in the league this season. Collins was moved to accommodate him here, so who is actually rating him higher? Souttar carries on this season like he has done, he’s miles ahead of Collins. Unless he does the same at Burnley which I can’t see, he’s played one game hasn’t he? I like Collins, but for me Souttar is head and shoulders above him at this moment in time. 20m fee absolutely minimum. He wasn't moved to accommodate him was he? They'd both be playing if it wasn't for FFP. Collins is more highly rated in the game and should barring injury play to a higher level for sure. There's no chance we get 20m or anything close for him. The 2m is where clubs will want to start and that's ridiculous too. 20/30/40/50m is all pie in the sky laughableness.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 7, 2021 11:49:47 GMT
Collins is more highly rated though and that matters despite what people may think. Do you honestly think he'll be a 50m pound player? He's a chance for that yes. Not now or next summer but one good season in the Premier League and could go for that 50M? If we can get 20m for him up front we've done magnificently well. 15m up front I'd put in the same bracket.
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Post by hyaduck on Oct 7, 2021 12:16:04 GMT
If MON goes up Newcastle then who’s he going come after? Hopefully Brown. What’s that got to do with Souttar? Was being sarcastic, most managers come back looking to take away the better players not the crap one’s.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 7, 2021 12:22:58 GMT
What’s that got to do with Souttar? Was being sarcastic, most managers come back looking to take away the better players not the crap one’s. Good job MON isn’t going to Newcastle then. We wouldn’t want him to take Brown with him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 7, 2021 13:09:06 GMT
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Post by cod on Oct 7, 2021 13:37:15 GMT
60 million Mr Levy. Take it or leave it. Now fuck off.
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Post by canadianmoose on Oct 7, 2021 13:56:45 GMT
5-8 million isn't even close given his form and consistency. Its not in the interests of Stoke City to even consider it.
If hes not worth 20 million currently, he will be at some point. Hold out until he is at minimum.
I never understand why other Championship clubs get top dollar for star players yet a bunch of our supporters are resigned to losing players for peanuts. I know that's what we are used to over the years but I keep hoping we have learned from the past.
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