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Post by xchpotter on Nov 7, 2021 8:14:09 GMT
Thought Souttar was back to his usual standard yesterday. Had my heart in my mouth when near the end they curled in a free kick which was dropping right on the six yard line thinking certain goal, but then Harry leapt like salmon and headed the ball well out of our box. It was the sort of clearance regularly seen from Shawcross and Huth. Hope this means he’s had his slight dip in form (as have many others in the recent games) and he can get back to being the defensive rock we build from.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 7, 2021 8:21:00 GMT
Thought Souttar was back to his usual standard yesterday. Had my heart in my mouth when near the end they curled in a free kick which was dropping right on the six yard line thinking certain goal, but then Harry leapt like salmon and headed the ball well out of our box. It was the sort of clearance regularly seen from Shawcross and Huth. Hope this means he’s had his slight dip in form (as have many others in the recent games) and he can get back to being the defensive rock we build from. Shhhh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 8:23:09 GMT
Yeah, played much better yesterday after a few dodgy performances.
MON needs to settle of Souttars two defensive partners in there and give them a run of league games together.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 7, 2021 8:29:29 GMT
Why use plural? I think we only have kept one clean sheet with Chester in the team this season? I never mentioned just this season…. What happened seasons ago is irrelevant, isn't it?
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Post by TinkerT on Nov 7, 2021 8:32:33 GMT
Yeah, played much better yesterday after a few dodgy performances. MON needs to settle of Souttars two defensive partners in there and give them a run of league games together. Crazy how much more solid we've looked without Chester playing. Batth yesterday doing the dirty stuff very well. Leo also had a very good game neither of the back 3 deserve to be dropped
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2021 8:33:17 GMT
I never mentioned just this season…. What happened seasons ago is irrelevant, isn't it? Not in terms of learning lessons no. This lesson being Chester would play badly, he would make mistakes, as would keep a clean sheet and win and it was all swept under the carpet. I don’t think it makes any sense. Was Batth the one who left the bloke free for that sitter Luton missed?
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 7, 2021 8:42:19 GMT
What happened seasons ago is irrelevant, isn't it? Not in terms of learning lessons no. This lesson being Chester would play badly, he would make mistakes, as would keep a clean sheet and win and it was all swept under the carpet. I don’t think it makes any sense. Was Batth the one who left the bloke free for that sitter Luton missed? I think Leo needs to take most of the blame for that one as he should have cleared that one upfield without problems, but spent too much time on the ball and was closed down. I'd say installing Batth to the trio at the back has made us look so much more solid. How you can't see what a good defender Batth is really baffles me, as I often think your assessment of players are close to what I see!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2021 9:01:02 GMT
Not in terms of learning lessons no. This lesson being Chester would play badly, he would make mistakes, as would keep a clean sheet and win and it was all swept under the carpet. I don’t think it makes any sense. Was Batth the one who left the bloke free for that sitter Luton missed? I think Leo needs to take most of the blame for that one as he should have cleared that one upfield without problems, but spent too much time on the ball and was closed down. I'd say installing Batth to the trio at the back has made us look so much more solid. How you can't see what a good defender Batth is really baffles me, as I often think your assessment of players are close to what I see! But he didn’t and you shouldn’t be losing your man like that in the box. Another one he got away with. And this is what I mean, it’s ok because they got away with it, again. I don’t think that is ok. I can see he heads and clears it but I can also see that teams see him as a weak link and target him game after game much like they do Chester but differently. Teams will allow Batth to have the ball as they know he can’t use it and are liable to get it back within 5 seconds of him having it. So you need Fletcher on so we can hoof it and have a target man. Which is fine if Fletch is fit. With Chester they will test him with long diagonals and a man running across him from wide to win flick ons as they know he’s terrible in the air. They will also try balls in behind because they know he’s trusted to play a higher line but can’t actually run. My mentality is that I know these weaknesses, opposition managers will know these weaknesses. Don’t have the weaknesses there. Blackpool didn’t take the chances gifted to them by Batth thankfully. And Nath used Batth as a ball playing defender and let teams get at him week after week with us so probably doesn’t know. The useless turd.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 7, 2021 12:29:29 GMT
I think Leo needs to take most of the blame for that one as he should have cleared that one upfield without problems, but spent too much time on the ball and was closed down. I'd say installing Batth to the trio at the back has made us look so much more solid. How you can't see what a good defender Batth is really baffles me, as I often think your assessment of players are close to what I see! But he didn’t and you shouldn’t be losing your man like that in the box. Another one he got away with. And this is what I mean, it’s ok because they got away with it, again. I don’t think that is ok. I can see he heads and clears it but I can also see that teams see him as a weak link and target him game after game much like they do Chester but differently. Teams will allow Batth to have the ball as they know he can’t use it and are liable to get it back within 5 seconds of him having it. So you need Fletcher on so we can hoof it and have a target man. Which is fine if Fletch is fit. With Chester they will test him with long diagonals and a man running across him from wide to win flick ons as they know he’s terrible in the air. They will also try balls in behind because they know he’s trusted to play a higher line but can’t actually run. My mentality is that I know these weaknesses, opposition managers will know these weaknesses. Don’t have the weaknesses there. Blackpool didn’t take the chances gifted to them by Batth thankfully. And Nath used Batth as a ball playing defender and let teams get at him week after week with us so probably doesn’t know. The useless turd. When we defend a lead he is the first one I'd pick of our central defenders.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2021 12:30:23 GMT
But he didn’t and you shouldn’t be losing your man like that in the box. Another one he got away with. And this is what I mean, it’s ok because they got away with it, again. I don’t think that is ok. I can see he heads and clears it but I can also see that teams see him as a weak link and target him game after game much like they do Chester but differently. Teams will allow Batth to have the ball as they know he can’t use it and are liable to get it back within 5 seconds of him having it. So you need Fletcher on so we can hoof it and have a target man. Which is fine if Fletch is fit. With Chester they will test him with long diagonals and a man running across him from wide to win flick ons as they know he’s terrible in the air. They will also try balls in behind because they know he’s trusted to play a higher line but can’t actually run. My mentality is that I know these weaknesses, opposition managers will know these weaknesses. Don’t have the weaknesses there. Blackpool didn’t take the chances gifted to them by Batth thankfully. And Nath used Batth as a ball playing defender and let teams get at him week after week with us so probably doesn’t know. The useless turd. When we defend a lead he is the first one I'd pick of our central defenders. That’s probably a fair shout. I think he makes getting that lead a little bit harder though.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 7, 2021 12:55:37 GMT
Promotion and naming as captain may be required. He has the potential to be a better captain than Shawcross. He’s already more qualified in the leadership department than the present captain.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 7, 2021 12:56:18 GMT
When we defend a lead he is the first one I'd pick of our central defenders. That’s probably a fair shout. I think he makes getting that lead a little bit harder though. Are you suggesting he be dropped or he just has things to work on?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 7, 2021 13:12:10 GMT
That’s probably a fair shout. I think he makes getting that lead a little bit harder though. Are you suggesting he be dropped or he just has things to work on? Batth? I’d get rid of him tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2021 13:39:45 GMT
Are you suggesting he be dropped or he just has things to work on? Batth? I’d get rid of him tomorrow. I don’t like him at the side of a three, but he is the best replacement we have for Souttar with regards to physical presence and defensive ability. Shame he can’t pass, but as a pure defender, he’s always been solid.
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 11, 2021 11:59:09 GMT
He certainly won’t be going in January hope the lad recovers quick
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 12, 2021 8:31:19 GMT
It’s a massive massive shame for him.
But also shows why on a business POV we should sell at a decent price if we had got it.
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 14, 2021 16:20:39 GMT
now that its been confirmed that Harry Soutter is likley to miss the rest of the season will the Australian fa have to compensate stoke /
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Post by mattador78 on Nov 14, 2021 16:26:40 GMT
now that its been confirmed that Harry Soutter is likley to miss the rest of the season will the Australian fa have to compensate stoke / Should do but unless they have cloned him and got him waiting in a tracksuit behind break glass in case of emergency, I don’t think the cash will cut the mustard
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Post by mrteddysalad on Nov 14, 2021 17:55:20 GMT
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 14, 2021 18:16:38 GMT
now that its been confirmed that Harry Soutter is likley to miss the rest of the season will the Australian fa have to compensate stoke / It's just an occupational hazard of international football I guess. It just happened and we lose big from it. Absolute killer, but just bad luck.
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Post by nonameface on Nov 14, 2021 19:04:46 GMT
Absolutely gutted for him. He must have felt pretty unstoppable before this and he was within touching distance of playing top flight football next season and for a top 10 team.
We dont have a like for like replacement (who would at our level) so we will have to adapt both our defensive style and our attacking set up.
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Post by Linx on Nov 14, 2021 20:04:47 GMT
now that its been confirmed that Harry Soutter is likley to miss the rest of the season will the Australian fa have to compensate stoke / It's just an occupational hazard of international football I guess. It just happened and we lose big from it. Absolute killer, but just bad luck. Trouble is, Stoke seems to have had more than its fair share of bad luck over the decades.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 14, 2021 22:24:12 GMT
now that its been confirmed that Harry Soutter is likley to miss the rest of the season will the Australian fa have to compensate stoke / I have always assumed teams carry insurance to cover long-term injuries; however, Stoke does have a history in this area! Anyway, no financial compensation can make up from the loss of our best defender.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 14, 2021 22:25:26 GMT
It's just an occupational hazard of international football I guess. It just happened and we lose big from it. Absolute killer, but just bad luck. Trouble is, Stoke seems to have had more than its fair share of bad luck over the decades. “I don’t believe in bad luck, but I know you don’t want any”. Me.
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Post by liathroid on Nov 14, 2021 23:49:53 GMT
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