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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2021 11:44:39 GMT
I think he’s improved and he was clearly the better of the two. I thought our whole attack didn’t work though. And I can’t wait for Powell, Campbell and Sima to come in. It’s a really exciting proposition. 100% Powell is the link up player from midfield to attack, apart from tymon yesterday,which he was massively under used, is the only other player that brakes the lines to the top two. Yeah the failure to get the ball to Tymon yesterday was probably the most frustrating aspect of the game. When he did get it he used it well and looked dangerous and IMO was about the only real threat we had. But we didn’t see much of it at all. Powell’s movement is massively missed too. The front two were really static I thought and the only option we had really with the slow passing the ball over the top to try and get territory but they defended that well.
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Post by Bramolini on Sept 12, 2021 12:09:12 GMT
I thought Huddersfield worked extremely hard shutting Tymon down ,doubling up on him every time he got the ball . In our last game 6/7 of our chances made came down the left , probably all from Tymon , you've got to give Huddersfield credit for that .
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 12, 2021 14:23:17 GMT
No, Fletcher who was in a great position on his preferred foot to bend it in the bottom corner. Rather than Clucas on his foot that is good for standing on. Again a sign of poor footballing intelligence for me. Generic probability of Fletcher scoring (if Brown passed to him) 0.03Generic probability of Clucas scoring, 0.30. Specific player/foot based probabilities. Fletcher has had 34 open play chances similar to the one he would have been presented with and he's scored once. 1 in 34Clucas has had 14 chances similar to the one Brown created for him *on his right foot* and he's scored four. 4 in 14 or 1 in 3.5Brown set up a chance for Clucas that was 10 times better than the one he would have set up for Fletcher, both generically and using player/preferred foot, historical data. Jacob Brown, 10/10 for football intelligence. Professional Data Analysist vs Internet Troll Who's Never Actually Played Football Hmmm...tricky one to call this.
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Post by bgreen13 on Sept 12, 2021 14:26:36 GMT
He did link the play, they both played well second half but fed on scraps first half. I'm not 100% convinced you watch the games - honestly - or if you do you make your mind up after fifteen minutes Fletcher did more in his 15 minutes than the other two combined in open play. Well apart from Brown actually scoring and setting clucas up to miss a sitter.. .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2021 14:28:39 GMT
Fletcher did more in his 15 minutes than the other two combined in open play. Well apart from Brown actually scoring and setting clucas up to miss a sitter.. . The goal wasn’t open play. And I’ve said why I think that was bad play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2021 14:29:58 GMT
Generic probability of Fletcher scoring (if Brown passed to him) 0.03Generic probability of Clucas scoring, 0.30. Specific player/foot based probabilities. Fletcher has had 34 open play chances similar to the one he would have been presented with and he's scored once. 1 in 34Clucas has had 14 chances similar to the one Brown created for him *on his right foot* and he's scored four. 4 in 14 or 1 in 3.5Brown set up a chance for Clucas that was 10 times better than the one he would have set up for Fletcher, both generically and using player/preferred foot, historical data. Jacob Brown, 10/10 for football intelligence. Professional Data Analysist vs Internet Troll Who's Never Actually Played Football Hmmm...tricky one to call this. It’s made up shite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 14:42:38 GMT
Well apart from Brown actually scoring and setting clucas up to miss a sitter.. . The goal wasn’t open play. And I’ve said why I think that was bad play. And the evidence suggests that your made up shite is likely wrong on that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 12, 2021 14:44:27 GMT
The goal wasn’t open play. And I’ve said why I think that was bad play. And the evidence suggests that your made up shite is likely wrong on that. Not at all. Fletcher was in a better position on his better foot. Brown as per took too many touches.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 12, 2021 14:47:11 GMT
No, Fletcher who was in a great position on his preferred foot to bend it in the bottom corner. Rather than Clucas on his foot that is good for standing on. Again a sign of poor footballing intelligence for me. Generic probability of Fletcher scoring (if Brown passed to him) 0.03Generic probability of Clucas scoring, 0.30. Specific player/foot based probabilities. Fletcher has had 34 open play chances similar to the one he would have been presented with and he's scored once. 1 in 34Clucas has had 14 chances similar to the one Brown created for him *on his right foot* and he's scored four. 4 in 14 or 1 in 3.5Brown set up a chance for Clucas that was 10 times better than the one he would have set up for Fletcher, both generically and using player/preferred foot, historical data. Jacob Brown, 10/10 for football intelligence. Now you've done it! We've got to suffer another 40 posts from Bayern proving that he is right! 😊
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Post by stokecitytalke on Sept 12, 2021 14:58:49 GMT
Professional Data Analysist vs Internet Troll Who's Never Actually Played Football Hmmm...tricky one to call this. It’s made up shite. Bayern has finally admitted he's made shite up! 😊
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 12, 2021 15:26:14 GMT
Professional Data Analysist vs Internet Troll Who's Never Actually Played Football Hmmm...tricky one to call this. It’s made up shite. ...and what about Tachyon's post? ???
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Post by thehoof on Sept 12, 2021 15:47:10 GMT
Tachyon‘a posts are based on statistics- it shows that in terms of probability, Fletcher was most unlikely to “bend” the ball into the net which seems to be the crux of Bayern’s reasoning as to Brown making a mistake. Bayern’s view is based on his opinion, nothing wrong with that. Just that in this case even a blind man could see that Fletcher was not the option to choose- and regarding the supposition that Fletcher did more in 15 minutes than the other 2- well, that’s just the sort of comment that makes most people take a lot of his comments with a pinch of salt.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 13, 2021 6:27:32 GMT
I thought Huddersfield worked extremely hard shutting Tymon down ,doubling up on him every time he got the ball . In our last game 6/7 of our chances made came down the left , probably all from Tymon , you've got to give Huddersfield credit for that . Yes, Huddersfield did mark Tymon well. But there were still at least half a dozen occasions where, if Wilmot had made the right pass with the right pace for Tymon, he could have had a much more productive afternoon. I like Wilmot - but his failure to combine properly with Tymon really annoyed me on Saturday. Hopefully MON will have spotted this and will get Wilmot to study the video with a view to getting it right in future.
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Post by george2again on Sept 13, 2021 10:59:22 GMT
Fletcher did more in his 15 minutes than the other two combined in open play. Well apart from Brown actually scoring and setting clucas up to miss a sitter.. . I have to say that I thought we lacked really quality up front on. Saturday. It’s the missing ingredient. Lots of effort just lack of quality. Some people say we didn’t need Delap…he’s exactly what we need.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 13, 2021 11:12:49 GMT
Anyone else think we over analyse players performances as fans these days, Saturday was a tough game against a decent side.
Brown and Surridge weren't great but then Huddersfield did well I thought to nullify us. Despite this Brown has managed to score the equaliser and set up Clucas for what really should be the game clincher.
So despite him having a very average game, he's been involved in two key moments, we've won the game, job done on to the next one.
The biggest problem Brown has, is that a lot of fans have made their minds up on him and will refuse to change it regardless of how well he performs. People were slagging his goal off against Forest for fuck sake!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 13, 2021 11:43:18 GMT
Although he's scoring goals more regularly and getting into good positions, his little touches and bits of link up are also miles better. There are still some things he does which let him down, but he's definitely doing brilliantly so far.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 13, 2021 11:45:01 GMT
He's got his limitations, but he's scored and if he does that another 15 or 20 times could anyone really complain?
There are far worse areas on the pitch to worry about than where Brown struts his stuff.
He has the mentality to work hard and with the right coaches will be an improving asset for us.
Keep plugging away fella.
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Post by Bramolini on Sept 13, 2021 12:27:12 GMT
I thought Huddersfield worked extremely hard shutting Tymon down ,doubling up on him every time he got the ball . In our last game 6/7 of our chances made came down the left , probably all from Tymon , you've got to give Huddersfield credit for that . Yes, Huddersfield did mark Tymon well. But there were still at least half a dozen occasions where, if Wilmot had made the right pass with the right pace for Tymon, he could have had a much more productive afternoon. I like Wilmot - but his failure to combine properly with Tymon really annoyed me on Saturday. Hopefully MON will have spotted this and will get Wilmot to study the video with a view to getting it right in future. I agree , sometimes it was a frustrating watch .
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Post by Bramolini on Sept 13, 2021 12:29:50 GMT
Yes, Huddersfield did mark Tymon well. But there were still at least half a dozen occasions where, if Wilmot had made the right pass with the right pace for Tymon, he could have had a much more productive afternoon. I like Wilmot - but his failure to combine properly with Tymon really annoyed me on Saturday. Hopefully MON will have spotted this and will get Wilmot to study the video with a view to getting it right in future. I agree , it was a frustrating watch at times .
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 13, 2021 12:34:45 GMT
Brown has improved massively in the space of twelve months.
He’s clearly trained his arse off and worked on his physique too.
Testament to the manager, coaches but particularly the player himself.
I fucking loved his goal. Desire, determination and physicality. As good a header as I’ve seen in recent times. Had SJW written all over it.
He’s far from the finished article but he’s a player who gives us a really decent and versatile option. A bit like SJW actually.
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 13, 2021 16:10:34 GMT
Brown has improved massively in the space of twelve months. He’s clearly trained his arse off and worked on his physique too. Testament to the manager, coaches but particularly the player himself. I fucking loved his goal. Desire, determination and physicality. As good a header as I’ve seen in recent times. Had SJW written all over it. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a player who gives us a really decent and versatile option. A bit like SJW actually. A SJW used to get no end of stick also
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 13, 2021 16:34:39 GMT
I've got no problem with Brown...not the most talented but works his bollocks off, every club needs at least one of these players in their squad...he brings plenty to the table I'm sure👏👏👏
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2021 16:36:44 GMT
Brown has improved massively in the space of twelve months. He’s clearly trained his arse off and worked on his physique too. Testament to the manager, coaches but particularly the player himself. I fucking loved his goal. Desire, determination and physicality. As good a header as I’ve seen in recent times. Had SJW written all over it. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a player who gives us a really decent and versatile option. A bit like SJW actually. best header since Diouf at home to West Ham on the last day of the season......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 16:46:32 GMT
What is the deal with some scrutinising every move Brown makes? He's doing fine. I know some need a player to put down every thing they do but he's improved massively and scored a great goal.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 13, 2021 18:12:16 GMT
Brown has improved massively in the space of twelve months. He’s clearly trained his arse off and worked on his physique too. Testament to the manager, coaches but particularly the player himself. I fucking loved his goal. Desire, determination and physicality. As good a header as I’ve seen in recent times. Had SJW written all over it. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a player who gives us a really decent and versatile option. A bit like SJW actually. best header since Diouf at home to West Ham on the last day of the season...... It was brilliant. Pretty much a standing jump. Three Huddersfield defenders around him. Top class.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2021 18:14:37 GMT
best header since Diouf at home to West Ham on the last day of the season...... It was brilliant. Pretty much a standing jump. Three Huddersfield defenders around him. Top class. There is a touch of the Calvert-Lewin’s about him in terms of his running style and physique, he’s a great header of the ball as well…..
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Post by a on Sept 13, 2021 20:35:11 GMT
Anyone else think we over analyse players performances as fans these days, Saturday was a tough game against a decent side. Brown and Surridge weren't great but then Huddersfield did well I thought to nullify us. Despite this Brown has managed to score the equaliser and set up Clucas for what really should be the game clincher. So despite him having a very average game, he's been involved in two key moments, we've won the game, job done on to the next one. The biggest problem Brown has, is that a lot of fans have made their minds up on him and will refuse to change it regardless of how well he performs. People were slagging his goal off against Forest for fuck sake! I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. Face saving of the highest order, unfortunately it makes some look silly 🙃
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Post by a on Sept 13, 2021 20:38:07 GMT
Brown has improved massively in the space of twelve months. He’s clearly trained his arse off and worked on his physique too. Testament to the manager, coaches but particularly the player himself. I fucking loved his goal. Desire, determination and physicality. As good a header as I’ve seen in recent times. Had SJW written all over it. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a player who gives us a really decent and versatile option. A bit like SJW actually. A SJW used to get no end of stick also It’s the greedy entitled nature of the modern football fan in some cases; expecting stoke to sign the perfect forward. I was grateful for SJW, and think him along with some of the other gritty players added balance to the likes of Shaqiri and Bojan. I loved Walters and the work ethic he helped foster in the side. Brown certainly has a lot that reminds me of Walters. Good for him, glad he’s showing what he can hopefully continue to do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 13, 2021 20:44:54 GMT
Anyone else think we over analyse players performances as fans these days, Saturday was a tough game against a decent side. Brown and Surridge weren't great but then Huddersfield did well I thought to nullify us. Despite this Brown has managed to score the equaliser and set up Clucas for what really should be the game clincher. So despite him having a very average game, he's been involved in two key moments, we've won the game, job done on to the next one. The biggest problem Brown has, is that a lot of fans have made their minds up on him and will refuse to change it regardless of how well he performs. People were slagging his goal off against Forest for fuck sake! I didn’t think Huddersfield were good though. It was a poor game between two sides who weren’t playing well.
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Post by potterburt on Sept 13, 2021 21:22:12 GMT
Anyone else think we over analyse players performances as fans these days, Saturday was a tough game against a decent side. Brown and Surridge weren't great but then Huddersfield did well I thought to nullify us. Despite this Brown has managed to score the equaliser and set up Clucas for what really should be the game clincher. So despite him having a very average game, he's been involved in two key moments, we've won the game, job done on to the next one. The biggest problem Brown has, is that a lot of fans have made their minds up on him and will refuse to change it regardless of how well he performs. People were slagging his goal off against Forest for fuck sake! I didn’t think Huddersfield were good though. It was a poor game between two sides who weren’t playing well. But what @lgh87 asked doesn’t include you Bayern, they asked whether “us ‘ fans’ over analyse?” 😉 to be a fan of something… is to ‘support’ something, which usually doesn’t involve repeatedly bashing a negative hypothetical scenarios over everyone’s heads. It was an above average championship game between 2 unusually inform teams, a more tightly contested than expected affair, where we went a goal down and for the past 5 years that would have been it, but we turned it around and won the game. Well done lads, there is no rule book that says it has to be done pretty, blathering on constantly about what one fan thought of it this or that ‘this should have happened instead’ for 3 freaking days after the event - well that’s just sad and ugly.
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