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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 12:39:41 GMT
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 12:47:46 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2021 12:47:46 GMT
Not great news on a number of fronts he’s better than many in the squad Tymon and Brown to name two he’s better than. Some who aren’t McLean To lake ince and song Delap amd keep the others in a wage offset is not definitively a step forward ince can play a role in a group for forward players for sure
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 12:55:38 GMT
Post by xchpotter on Jul 30, 2021 12:55:38 GMT
he played really well in the game not just the goal he was stand out player in this league at Blackpool too however I agree with you he has ability but hides, is negative in his play he's had enough chances, the one nagging doubt is if attitude is his issue (it is) then attitudes can change be a surprise though His whole game is based around one move. Cut in from right centre and take a shot. Last season he couldn’t shoot for toffee. The only way he will become a success again is if he starts to find the target again (even if he just hits the target versus high and wide over the left post). He has little else about him. I’m not sure I’ve seen a player so one footed as him. Yet the other day he amazed me by scoring with his right foot. Why on earth haven't the coaches worked with him to develop his right foot, it would make him a very different player? I don’t know, perhaps they may have done and he wasn’t interested or couldn’t do it. Whatever happens we can’t tolerate another season of the usual tripe he serves up if he stays.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 13:36:58 GMT
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 30, 2021 13:36:58 GMT
He was in the Shop Window, so put the effort in for 60 minutes - needs to go for that reason alone, because with his talent he should have been better than he performed whenever he put the Stoke Shirt on
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
Post by somersetstokie on Jul 30, 2021 13:43:25 GMT
Didn't he "try"/ have a good match last time we had some preseason friendlies? Sufficient to give some supporters the encouragement that he might be a new reformed character, applying himself to a role and fulfilling some potential. But that all worked out well didn't it?
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 14:11:10 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2021 14:11:10 GMT
Not great news on a number of fronts he’s better than many in the squad Tymon and Brown to name two he’s better than. Some who aren’t McLean To lake ince and song Delap amd keep the others in a wage offset is not definitively a step forward ince can play a role in a group for forward players for sure Why has he not managed it in the past two seasons Benji?
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Post by lordb on Jul 30, 2021 14:34:34 GMT
Not great news on a number of fronts he’s better than many in the squad Tymon and Brown to name two he’s better than. Some who aren’t McLean To lake ince and song Delap amd keep the others in a wage offset is not definitively a step forward ince can play a role in a group for forward players for sure He has more ability than majority of players in the league however his output (for want of a better word) is less than any other player on our books he's had multiple chances under 3 managers to get going again we can't afford to give him any more chances Brown is not going to get less goals & assists than Ince absolutely no way. Ince out of the door even with a majority of wages played by Stoke scenario is a no brainer it's noticeable that it's two league one clubs that want him - they may be gambling that a drop in level will do the trick for him -
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 19:20:57 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2021 19:20:57 GMT
Not great news on a number of fronts he’s better than many in the squad Tymon and Brown to name two he’s better than. Some who aren’t McLean To lake ince and song Delap amd keep the others in a wage offset is not definitively a step forward ince can play a role in a group for forward players for sure Why has he not managed it in the past two seasons Benji? He’s not on his own in being overwhelmed by the something at our club and therefore offering hugely sun par performances I’m not saying it’s right but just that there’s jerky more chance of getting it out of someone with his pedigree at this level Than someone who never had it
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 19:26:42 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jul 30, 2021 19:26:42 GMT
We shall see where he stands for the coming season after team selection for tomorrow?.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 20:30:34 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2021 20:30:34 GMT
Why has he not managed it in the past two seasons Benji? He’s not on his own in being overwhelmed by the something at our club and therefore offering hugely sun par performances I’m not saying it’s right but just that there’s jerky more chance of getting it out of someone with his pedigree at this level Than someone who never had it In 88 appearances Ince has 9 goals and 11 assists. In 45 appearances Brown has 6 goals and 2 assists. I’d suggest ( given that you don’t rate Brown) that there is nothing to suggest evidence of Ince having pedigree at Stoke.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 20:37:17 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2021 20:37:17 GMT
He’s not on his own in being overwhelmed by the something at our club and therefore offering hugely sun par performances I’m not saying it’s right but just that there’s jerky more chance of getting it out of someone with his pedigree at this level Than someone who never had it In 88 appearances Ince has 9 goals and 11 assists. In 45 appearances Brown has 6 goals and 2 assists. I’d suggest ( given that you don’t rate Brown) that there is nothing to suggest evidence of Ince having pedigree at Stoke. Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice!
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 20:47:19 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 30, 2021 20:47:19 GMT
It's not looking great for next season is it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2021 20:51:29 GMT
It's not looking great for next season is it. If we bring in 3-4 players and obviously another striker to partner Fletch till Ty is ready it will certainly look much brighter in my opinion.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 30, 2021 20:58:14 GMT
It's not looking great for next season is it. If we bring in 3-4 players and obviously another striker to partner Fletch till Ty is ready it will certainly look much brighter in my opinion. Ince has good skills and would have done better if he could be bothered to use them, but he is idle, nesh and has little fighting spirit or determination. We don't need him or his ilk at Stoke City!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 21:10:04 GMT
In 88 appearances Ince has 9 goals and 11 assists. In 45 appearances Brown has 6 goals and 2 assists. I’d suggest ( given that you don’t rate Brown) that there is nothing to suggest evidence of Ince having pedigree at Stoke. Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice! Couldn’t care less personally if they have skills on the ball if all it does is lead to a shot that endangers the crowd more than the goalie. He’s shown little end product barring half a season with Rowett. Did nothing for Luton either. Crap is crap, whether it dances around nicely or not.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 21:22:56 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jul 30, 2021 21:22:56 GMT
In 88 appearances Ince has 9 goals and 11 assists. In 45 appearances Brown has 6 goals and 2 assists. I’d suggest ( given that you don’t rate Brown) that there is nothing to suggest evidence of Ince having pedigree at Stoke. Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice! That’s your opinion Rob. Ince never remotely looked like he could beat a man, stand a tackle and had no idea how to head a ball. The level of interest in him is from a level he would probably be good at. It might be the way for him to rediscover his form and perhaps make something of his remaining years in the game. He offers Stoke absolutely nothing but a drain on finances. After nearly 4 seasons of doing diddley squat, I don’t need to point out he’s been crap; the facts are so obvious even a blind man can see them.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 30, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice! That’s your opinion Rob. Ince never remotely looked like he could beat a man, stand a tackle and had no idea how to head a ball. The level of interest in him is from a level he would probably be good at. It might be the way for him to rediscover his form and perhaps make something of his remaining years in the game. He offers Stoke absolutely nothing but a drain on finances. After nearly 4 seasons of doing diddley squat, I don’t need to point out he’s been crap; the facts are so obvious even a blind man can see them. Stats hey Ince has scored 80 goals in circa 350 appearances a ratio similar to fletchers so I think the point we are making is the greater potency is in there and it’s worth trying to get it out
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Post by matelot1996 on Jul 30, 2021 22:09:26 GMT
Many Stoke Fans have a nostalgic “Hard-On” for the football Ince used to play. They will think this is bad news. It is not. With his “performances” over the last two years, Ince has unequivocally earned the right to ply his turgid trade in third tier.
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Post by skip on Jul 30, 2021 22:18:15 GMT
That’s your opinion Rob. Ince never remotely looked like he could beat a man, stand a tackle and had no idea how to head a ball. The level of interest in him is from a level he would probably be good at. It might be the way for him to rediscover his form and perhaps make something of his remaining years in the game. He offers Stoke absolutely nothing but a drain on finances. After nearly 4 seasons of doing diddley squat, I don’t need to point out he’s been crap; the facts are so obvious even a blind man can see them. Stats hey Ince has scored 80 goals in circa 350 appearances a ratio similar to fletchers so I think the point we are making is the greater potency is in there and it’s worth trying to get it out Like getting mussels out of a shell.
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Ince
Jul 30, 2021 22:27:26 GMT
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Post by femark on Jul 30, 2021 22:27:26 GMT
Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice! Couldn’t care less personally if they have skills on the ball if all it does is lead to a shot that endangers the crowd more than the goalie. He’s shown little end product barring half a season with Rowett. Did nothing for Luton either. Crap is crap, whether it dances around nicely or not. Once’s shots tend to endanger the blades of grass. Hope I never see his weak as piss shots scuffing along the turf again.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2021 22:35:40 GMT
Not great news on a number of fronts he’s better than many in the squad Tymon and Brown to name two he’s better than. Some who aren’t McLean To lake ince and song Delap amd keep the others in a wage offset is not definitively a step forward ince can play a role in a group for forward players for sure He has more ability than majority of players in the league however his output (for want of a better word) is less than any other player on our books he's had multiple chances under 3 managers to get going again we can't afford to give him any more chances Brown is not going to get less goals & assists than Ince absolutely no way. Ince out of the door even with a majority of wages played by Stoke scenario is a no brainer it's noticeable that it's two league one clubs that want him - they may be gambling that a drop in level will do the trick for him - I fully agree with that assessment. I would add that Ince has played for a host of managers since his Liverpool days at Notts Co., Blackpool, Palace, Hull, Forest, Derby, Huddersfield, Stoke ( 3 managers) and Luton. Derby is the only place where a loan turned into a signing. His father, a much better player, was eventually moved on by Ferguson who said " the fundamental change is Paul's attitude, his insistence on trying to assume a role in the team for which he was not equipped, had diminished his usefulness to us to the point where a transfer made absolute sense". Maybe not playing to orders is in the genes? I do not believe he is a "team player". I have watched him closely in matches and he is often totally disinterested and hiding from receiving the ball.
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Post by robinplumpton on Jul 30, 2021 22:53:25 GMT
He has more ability than majority of players in the league however his output (for want of a better word) is less than any other player on our books he's had multiple chances under 3 managers to get going again we can't afford to give him any more chances Brown is not going to get less goals & assists than Ince absolutely no way. Ince out of the door even with a majority of wages played by Stoke scenario is a no brainer it's noticeable that it's two league one clubs that want him - they may be gambling that a drop in level will do the trick for him - I fully agree with that assessment. I would add that Ince has played for a host of managers since his Liverpool days at Notts Co., Blackpool, Palace, Hull, Forest, Derby, Huddersfield, Stoke ( 3 managers) and Luton. Derby is the only place where a loan turned into a signing. His father, a much better player, was eventually moved on by Ferguson who said " the fundamental change is Paul's attitude, his insistence on trying to assume a role in the team for which he was not equipped, had diminished his usefulness to us to the point where a transfer made absolute sense". Maybe not playing to orders is in the genes? I do not believe he is a "team player". I have watched him closely in matches and he is often totally disinterested and hiding from receiving the ball. “Dad” fought for everything on his way up. Son was “entitled”. Why should you fight when the cushion of money can mask a lack of passion? Why no passion? Young Tom used to play with young Schmeichel, one is a top professional, the other has his wages paid by Stoke.
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Ince
Jul 31, 2021 0:52:16 GMT
Post by marylandstoke on Jul 31, 2021 0:52:16 GMT
Many Stoke Fans have a nostalgic “Hard-On” for the football Ince used to play. They will think this is bad news. It is not. With his “performances” over the last two years, Ince has unequivocally earned the right to ply his turgid trade in third tier. Really? Closer to whiskey dick I’ll be bound.
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Ince
Jul 31, 2021 3:57:56 GMT
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Post by yyy on Jul 31, 2021 3:57:56 GMT
Does he need a lift, heading over Ipswich way on Tuesday. I'll make sure he gets there sharpish
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 31, 2021 5:49:18 GMT
Ince has skills on the ball and looks like a footballer at least, not Bambi on ice! That’s your opinion Rob. Ince never remotely looked like he could beat a man, stand a tackle and had no idea how to head a ball. The level of interest in him is from a level he would probably be good at. It might be the way for him to rediscover his form and perhaps make something of his remaining years in the game. He offers Stoke absolutely nothing but a drain on finances. After nearly 4 seasons of doing diddley squat, I don’t need to point out he’s been crap; the facts are so obvious even a blind man can see them. I'm not too impressed by Ince either apart from the first half season under Rowett where I thought he was among our best players, but I certainly rate him higher than Brown. A lot of people don't and that's OK by me. Anyway we need more quality than Brown to partner Fletch or TY if we are going to challenge for a playoff spot that's for sure.
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Ince
Jul 31, 2021 9:56:55 GMT
Post by nott1 on Jul 31, 2021 9:56:55 GMT
That’s your opinion Rob. Ince never remotely looked like he could beat a man, stand a tackle and had no idea how to head a ball. The level of interest in him is from a level he would probably be good at. It might be the way for him to rediscover his form and perhaps make something of his remaining years in the game. He offers Stoke absolutely nothing but a drain on finances. After nearly 4 seasons of doing diddley squat, I don’t need to point out he’s been crap; the facts are so obvious even a blind man can see them. Stats hey Ince has scored 80 goals in circa 350 appearances a ratio similar to fletchers so I think the point we are making is the greater potency is in there and it’s worth trying to get it out I don't rate Fletcher too much either, we need someone who bangs 'em in much more frequently!
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Ince
Jul 31, 2021 10:04:59 GMT
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 31, 2021 10:04:59 GMT
I think Ince is a decent footballer who did well at Blackpool and reasonably well at Derby but I always get the impression that he's a bit of an outsider at Stoke. No idea whether that happened at his other clubs. I always think he's a bit too sensitive to be a footballer and doesn't particularly like his job. I know for a fact that at Derby his dad was always in the manager's ear about how and where Tom should play. I notice Paul is never in the stands at Stoke so I guess that isn't happening here so Tom's finding it a tad more difficult to get played in the way he wants.
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Ince
Jul 31, 2021 11:50:08 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 31, 2021 11:50:08 GMT
He’s a better footballer than any on the bench `(par possible woht doughty except no one know with doughty if hes a opera next sock note or not ) , today and the two wide players in the team , it’s nonsense for me unless he is off and then god knows what depths we will plunge in replacing him , its got the makings of the worst window in a recent history of horror stories
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jul 31, 2021 11:56:20 GMT
He’s a better footballer than any on the bench `(par possible woht doughty except no one know with doughty if hes a opera next sock note or not ) , today and the two wide players in the team , it’s nonsense for me unless he is off and then god knows what depths we will plunge in replacing him , its got the makings of the worst window in a recent history of horror stories Do you ever consider reading what you've typed before you click create post? Just curious. And no, I don't know if Doughty is an opera next sock.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 31, 2021 11:57:34 GMT
He’s a better footballer than any on the bench `(par possible woht doughty except no one know with doughty if hes a opera next sock note or not ) , today and the two wide players in the team , it’s nonsense for me unless he is off and then god knows what depths we will plunge in replacing him , its got the makings of the worst window in a recent history of horror stories Are you serious? It's the first good window for ages and it isn't finished yet!
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