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Post by lordb on Jul 5, 2021 21:04:58 GMT
That would be ok now and then as an option but a shame if it becomes the go-to. Would be a waste of Powell. Good to have some flexibility and additional creative options though. Indeed. It is possible Mario could also be deployed further back as a defensive midfield partner alongside a "to be signed" replacement for JOM - the replacement doing the hard tackling and work off the ball, with Mario dictating play with incisive passes forward. Or in a 4-3-3, Mario and Powell can play together in front of the holding midfielder. Mario definitely brings much needed technical craft that you just don't get from Clucas or Allen. Clucas occasionally plays a good ball Assist at Bournemouth for example
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 6, 2021 0:22:42 GMT
They owe us one anyhow, for taking Keith Scott off us and lumbering us with Sherron!!! 😏 Not Martin O'Neill's finest decision. What was he thinking? Don't know if he actually WAS thinking.... I'm more inclined to think he was on something instead!!!
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Post by LankyPotter on Jul 6, 2021 1:38:21 GMT
Excited by this transfer - When was thr last time we had an out an out number 8 type midfielder. A creative player deeper in the midfield and someone that can dictate play higher up the pitch than a Woods. Should mean tbat we are able to hold possession higher which hopefully leads to more chances.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 6, 2021 8:42:29 GMT
Indeed. It is possible Mario could also be deployed further back as a defensive midfield partner alongside a "to be signed" replacement for JOM - the replacement doing the hard tackling and work off the ball, with Mario dictating play with incisive passes forward. Or in a 4-3-3, Mario and Powell can play together in front of the holding midfielder. Mario definitely brings much needed technical craft that you just don't get from Clucas or Allen. Clucas occasionally plays a good ball Assist at Bournemouth for example He can, but Mario performs that creative deeper lying role much better. I can't see a role for either Clucas or Allen as anything more than backup, unless Doughty doesn't hit the ground running. We should be looking to get a fee for both of them, or at least a player swap for a proper defensive midfielder.
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Post by lordb on Jul 6, 2021 9:45:05 GMT
Clucas occasionally plays a good ball Assist at Bournemouth for example He can, but Mario performs that creative deeper lying role much better. I can't see a role for either Clucas or Allen as anything more than backup, unless Doughty doesn't hit the ground running. We should be looking to get a fee for both of them, or at least a player swap for a proper defensive midfielder. We made Clucas (& Allen?) available for free until July, if anyone was going to sign him they would have had him for free not wait till now & pay a fee he's staying if he's fit would expect he'll start most games Nov 2019 to March 2020 midfield 3 was Clucas,Allen & Powell all 3 were firing & fit & all three looked darn good for this league shows how important fitness is > both Allen & Clucas were way way below those standards last season< Vranic is clearly a quality player however the warning is he may not have the legs for 90 minutes or at least 90 minutes Saturday/Tuesday would expect Vranic to be used from the bench lots & not 10 minutes at the end either however lets see, it's a signing that gives the manager an option he simply hasn't had before, potentially could use Vranic in different roles at different times of games
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 7, 2021 2:41:39 GMT
I'm excited to fuck about this signing....elegant left footer who's mustard on the ball and deadly on set pieces...great bit of business imo.
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Post by slicko on Jul 7, 2021 6:39:01 GMT
Any rationale in the one-year deal?
My guess is that he’s taking Mikel’s salary or we’ll see how the FFP situation is before upping his salary and extending his years.
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Post by potterburt on Jul 7, 2021 6:58:03 GMT
Any rationale in the one-year deal? My guess is that he’s taking Mikel’s salary or we’ll see how the FFP situation is before upping his salary and extending his years. Think you’ve part answered your question, also: It’s a risk free for all parties, bit of a no brainer? At 32, a player to hopefully make an impact from the bench but unlikely gonna be cutting it when he’s 34 at this level? In a years time we have a lot of change with players contracts and the heat off with ffp? The player may only want a year and then have idea to settle out in Europe? Could be a year with option to extend? We’ve been scolded and are still healing, lessons learnt on dishing out massive contracts to players for 5 yrs?
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Post by dirtclod on Jul 7, 2021 14:43:09 GMT
Would much rather see a 1-year deal than all these 4,5 yr deals we have been handing out. That's a good change
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Post by tejstokie on Jul 7, 2021 16:36:15 GMT
I think this is a brilliant signing and a bit more creativity and skill in the middle which has been needed.
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Post by fraybentos on Jul 7, 2021 18:17:37 GMT
Nice signing, should of stuck with Bojan
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Post by nott1 on Jul 10, 2021 10:52:30 GMT
I quite like the sound of this guy and it could be a very smart piece of business! It will be interesting to see where he plays. I assume Powell will be our #10 so does that mean Vrancic will be more of a deep-lying playmaker? Number eight...the new Peter Dobing!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 21:55:13 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer.
But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested.
He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters.
He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell.
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Post by yyy on Aug 28, 2021 21:57:48 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer. But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested. He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters. He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell. I've been thinking this myself
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 28, 2021 22:03:21 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer. But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested. He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters. He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell. Kind of agree but his set piece delivery is the best we have. I think the bench is best when Powell is fit though. Where does Sawyers come in? For Clucas?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 22:11:50 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer. But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested. He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters. He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell. Kind of agree but his set piece delivery is the best we have. I think the bench is best when Powell is fit though. Where does Sawyers come in? For Clucas? It is but we can’t select him for just that imo. And when you don’t have the ball like today he’s no use at all. I think Sawyers will replace Clucas yeah.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 28, 2021 22:35:37 GMT
Kind of agree but his set piece delivery is the best we have. I think the bench is best when Powell is fit though. Where does Sawyers come in? For Clucas? It is but we can’t select him for just that imo. And when you don’t have the ball like today he’s no use at all. I think Sawyers will replace Clucas yeah. None of our midfielders today were any use when we don't have the ball. It was a tough game against the best team in this league by a mile. The game today came too soon for us but we're still a good team and we'll get better.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 22:39:08 GMT
It is but we can’t select him for just that imo. And when you don’t have the ball like today he’s no use at all. I think Sawyers will replace Clucas yeah. None of our midfielders today were any use when we don't have the ball. It was a tough game against the best team in this league by a mile. The game today came too soon for us but we're still a good team and we'll get better. I know but he was poor against Forest too. And I’m just not convinced anything the Norwich fans said were wrong. Sawyers looks more consistent. Powell is better. It’s then about using him cutely to get the best out of him and the others.
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Post by march4 on Aug 28, 2021 22:54:25 GMT
None of our midfielders today were any use when we don't have the ball. It was a tough game against the best team in this league by a mile. The game today came too soon for us but we're still a good team and we'll get better. I know but he was poor against Forest too. And I’m just not convinced anything the Norwich fans said were wrong. Sawyers looks more consistent. Powell is better. It’s then about using him cutely to get the best out of him and the others. You are right about us using him cutely. He is a player for the last 20 mins against teams parking the bus. 90 mins is not his thing and having to run around a lot isn’t either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 28, 2021 22:56:48 GMT
I know but he was poor against Forest too. And I’m just not convinced anything the Norwich fans said were wrong. Sawyers looks more consistent. Powell is better. It’s then about using him cutely to get the best out of him and the others. You are right about us using him cutely. He is a player for the last 20 mins against teams parking the bus. 90 mins is not his thing and having to run around a lot isn’t either. That’s what we were told and it’s exactly what we’ve seen so far.
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Post by armitage on Aug 29, 2021 14:59:16 GMT
It's a squad game. The trick is how to use it to best effect. Fletch and and Mario maybe 20/25 minute options. By the time we come back from the international break Sawyers should be fit enough to start, shouldn't he?
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Post by yyy on Aug 29, 2021 16:01:01 GMT
I know but he was poor against Forest too. And I’m just not convinced anything the Norwich fans said were wrong. Sawyers looks more consistent. Powell is better. It’s then about using him cutely to get the best out of him and the others. You are right about us using him cutely. He is a player for the last 20 mins against teams parking the bus. 90 mins is not his thing and having to run around a lot isn’t either. I think that will be the plan when Sawyers is up to speed, I still think we will be in for McCann aswell
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Post by potter1989 on Aug 29, 2021 16:04:47 GMT
When everyone is up to speed and fit I expect it to be
Allen Sawyers Powell
Surridge Campbell
Worth mario and fletch making a difference off the bench.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 29, 2021 16:36:29 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer. But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested. He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters. He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell. He was clearly rushed back for Forest because Powell was injured and Sawyers had only just signed...........
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 29, 2021 16:39:55 GMT
Clearly a very good footballer. But I want him to be used how the Norwich fans suggested. He’s had 3 league starts and had 1 good game and 2 shitters. He needs to be used from the bench and as an option to rest Powell. As usual you're exaggerating. I don't think he's had a bad game yet. Average in a couple, but still looked class when he's had the ball. You're basing this opinion on him solely on what Norwich fans said. I'm not saying it'll prove to be incorrect, but let's wait until there's enough first-hand evidence before we start declaring what Stoke need to do with a player. It's still very early in the season, and all players should still be fresh- even Mikel didn't start wilting until the nights were drawing in. I certainly haven't seen Vrancic struggling physically yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 29, 2021 16:43:44 GMT
He’s a good player but maybe more suited to when we play the likes of Peterborough or as a sub in games against the better sides. Bit of a luxury if you like. He does have a lovely set piece mind.
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2021 17:06:28 GMT
The more I watch the games the less I recognise what's written on this board
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 29, 2021 17:17:27 GMT
The more I watch the games the less I recognise what's written on this board He’s been poor the last two games. We didn’t have a midfield against Fulham. And his passing vs Forest was way too sloppy. You honestly think he gets into our best team regularly when they’re all fit?
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2021 19:22:12 GMT
The more I watch the games the less I recognise what's written on this board He’s been poor the last two games. We didn’t have a midfield against Fulham. And his passing vs Forest was way too sloppy. You honestly think he gets into our best team regularly when they’re all fit? I didn't think he was poor at Fulham quite the opposite He wasn't at his best v Forest but wouldn't call that poor either We have six midfielders who all have something to offer If one does play poorly, like Clucas did yesterday (although he picked up a bit sect half) then they will probably lose their place I don't believe in 'best elevens' to be honest What's best one week isn't the best for another game Perhaps more important to play same players at the back but creative players will have duff games and still come up with something that wins the game
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 30, 2021 22:28:47 GMT
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