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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2021 16:28:04 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say. How does supporting feeding children, driving for equality and being inclusive a bad thing or affect the way they play football. If anything I am more proud of this team because of the work they do off the pitch. They are a quality bunch of players and we should get behind them. The manager just got it wrong yesterday . We move on They weren't quality v Scotland , they bottled it If you look at Alan shearer's analysis, which is fair , time and again , when the pass was on, they bottled it ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57540281As for Southgates views on inclusiveness , racism etc , we simply don't need to know what they are , it's completely totally irrelevant to the game He is a football manager. All Southgate has to do , is get the players to go out there and give it there all , and they didn't , they went out there and they bottled it The idea that them being demonstratively anti racist is somehow detrimental to their levels of PASHUN on the pitch is the stupidest thing I’ve seen on here all day, and I’ve been on the Ryan Woods thread.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jun 19, 2021 16:32:26 GMT
Thought Phillips was absolute cack. Scotland at home and we played for a fucking point. Embarrassing. What was so bad about Phillips? I thought he did his job fine. For me the problem was playing both him and Rice when we clearly needed a more attacking option. Kane doesn’t help matters for us up front, he is clearly a quality player when playing for Tottenham but he hasn’t shown it for England recently. I can’t imagine Guardiola signing him up if that’s all he has to offer playing alongside Sterling and Foden, it’s not all on Kane though, in the final third we were devoid of ideas. Southgate is a nice guy but I’m not convinced we are ever going to progress with him, we had a great run at the World Cup but in fairness we had the easiest path we could’ve hoped for. If there is one thing he has done well it is to pick players from a wide variety of teams, we have quite a few in the squad who were plying their trade in the championship not too long ago. Those before him always preferred players from the top 4 regardless of their form or whether they played regularly. Gave the ball away far too often
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Post by starkiller on Jun 19, 2021 17:46:40 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say. How does supporting feeding children, driving for equality and being inclusive a bad thing or affect the way they play football. If anything I am more proud of this team because of the work they do off the pitch. They are a quality bunch of players and we should get behind them. The manager just got it wrong yesterday . We move on They weren't quality v Scotland , they bottled it If you look at Alan shearer's analysis, which is fair , time and again , when the pass was on, they bottled it ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57540281As for Southgates views on inclusiveness , racism etc , we simply don't need to know what they are , it's completely totally irrelevant to the game He is a football manager. All Southgate has to do , is get the players to go out there and give it there all , and they didn't , they went out there and they bottled it A manager has to do much more than that. If that was his gameplan, it showed. It was devoid of strategy, ideas, creativity, imagination, character.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 19, 2021 18:04:35 GMT
Runners up in the group stage looking like a better option atm?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 18:09:49 GMT
They weren't quality v Scotland , they bottled it If you look at Alan shearer's analysis, which is fair , time and again , when the pass was on, they bottled it ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57540281As for Southgates views on inclusiveness , racism etc , we simply don't need to know what they are , it's completely totally irrelevant to the game He is a football manager. All Southgate has to do , is get the players to go out there and give it there all , and they didn't , they went out there and they bottled it A manager has to do much more than that. If that was his gameplan, it showed. It was devoid of strategy, ideas, creativity, imagination, character. This I agree with His game plan was rubbish too I get that some on here disagree with me , and that's fine , they are welcome too But Southgate is imo wrong to say ... Of his players ... 'It's their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate.' That's not their Job and that's not what they are at the euro's for ... They are their to play combative entertaining football , in the hope of winning the thing Which is what Italy are doing and Portugal doing and others Attacking a section of your own supporters ( which is what Southgate has done ) is not inclusive or anti racist , it's patronising England fans who don't like what he is doing are not wrong and nor do they need educating .They are entitled to have their opinion and boo him if they want . He is getting massively Side tracked here , Southgate , into spending his time patronising his own fans , when he should be putting out a team to entertain the fans and have a right good go and winning the thing ( like Italy Portugal and others ) England fans go to ( or tune in to ) the game to see their team have a right good go on the pitch ,not start passing the ball backwards , sideways , back again and bottling the riskier attacking all day long for the entire 90 mins If Southgate thinks England fans want to be patronised before the match and then served up 90 mins of negative , safety first , cowardly football , then that's his view . But he may be proved wrong
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 19, 2021 18:18:42 GMT
Runners up in the group stage looking like a better option atm? Nope. Complete media tripe. You play to win every game. If we are runner up, granted it's possible it's Sweden in last 16 but then it would be France last 8 and Belgium/ Italy in the semi How that is an easier route is beyond me
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Post by thfc67 on Jun 19, 2021 18:28:42 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 19, 2021 18:43:01 GMT
A manager has to do much more than that. If that was his gameplan, it showed. It was devoid of strategy, ideas, creativity, imagination, character. This I agree with His game plan was rubbish too I get that some on here disagree with me , and that's fine , they are welcome too But Southgate is imo wrong to say ... Of his players ... 'It's their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate.' That's not their Job and that's not what they are at the euro's for ... They are their to play combative entertaining football , in the hope of winning the thing Which is what Italy are doing and Portugal doing and others Attacking a section of your own supporters ( which is what Southgate has done ) is not inclusive or anti racist , it's patronising England fans who don't like what he is doing are not wrong and nor do they need educating .They are entitled to have their opinion and boo him if they want . He is getting massively Side tracked here , Southgate , into spending his time patronising his own fans , when he should be putting out a team to entertain the fans and have a right good go and winning the thing ( like Italy Portugal and others ) England fans go to ( or tune in to ) the game to see their team have a right good go on the pitch ,not start passing the ball backwards , sideways , back again and bottling the riskier attacking all day long for the entire 90 mins If Southgate thinks England fans want to be patronised before the match and then served up 90 mins of negative , safety first , cowardly football , then that's his view . But he may be proved wrong What has Southgate or the England players said or done that is controversial? What are you angry about?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 18:51:57 GMT
This I agree with His game plan was rubbish too I get that some on here disagree with me , and that's fine , they are welcome too But Southgate is imo wrong to say ... Of his players ... 'It's their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate.' That's not their Job and that's not what they are at the euro's for ... They are their to play combative entertaining football , in the hope of winning the thing Which is what Italy are doing and Portugal doing and others Attacking a section of your own supporters ( which is what Southgate has done ) is not inclusive or anti racist , it's patronising England fans who don't like what he is doing are not wrong and nor do they need educating .They are entitled to have their opinion and boo him if they want . He is getting massively Side tracked here , Southgate , into spending his time patronising his own fans , when he should be putting out a team to entertain the fans and have a right good go and winning the thing ( like Italy Portugal and others ) England fans go to ( or tune in to ) the game to see their team have a right good go on the pitch ,not start passing the ball backwards , sideways , back again and bottling the riskier attacking all day long for the entire 90 mins If Southgate thinks England fans want to be patronised before the match and then served up 90 mins of negative , safety first , cowardly football , then that's his view . But he may be proved wrong What has Southgate or the England players said or done that is controversial? What are you angry about? To be fair, he didn't come across as angry in that post to me, and he is spot on when he says Southgate is wrong to say what he said about his players "duties".
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 19, 2021 18:52:58 GMT
Anyone who feels ‘attacked’ by what Southgate said is the biggest snowflake going.
Would be nice if his team could have a go at it mind.
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Post by David Brent on Jun 19, 2021 18:55:14 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say. How does supporting feeding children, driving for equality and being inclusive a bad thing or affect the way they play football. If anything I am more proud of this team because of the work they do off the pitch. They are a quality bunch of players and we should get behind them. The manager just got it wrong yesterday . We move on They weren't quality v Scotland , they bottled it If you look at Alan shearer's analysis, which is fair , time and again , when the pass was on, they bottled it ... www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/57540281As for Southgates views on inclusiveness , racism etc , we simply don't need to know what they are , it's completely totally irrelevant to the game He is a football manager. All Southgate has to do , is get the players to go out there and give it there all , and they didn't , they went out there and they bottled it If the good stuff footballers do off the pitch irrelevant to the game why did you bring it up as a reason for our performance yesterday?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 19, 2021 20:18:39 GMT
What has Southgate or the England players said or done that is controversial? What are you angry about? To be fair, he didn't come across as angry in that post to me, and he is spot on when he says Southgate is wrong to say what he said about his players "duties". I think he's angry that the racists who booed are being criticized.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 20:23:04 GMT
To be fair, he didn't come across as angry in that post to me, and he is spot on when he says Southgate is wrong to say what he said about his players "duties". I think he's angry that the racists who booed are being criticized. Everyone who boos the "taking the knee" gesture is racist?
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Post by Goonie on Jun 19, 2021 20:37:33 GMT
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Post by meltonjohn on Jun 19, 2021 21:24:28 GMT
I think he's angry that the racists who booed are being criticized. Everyone who boos the "taking the knee" gesture is racist? It could be argued that booing people advocating anti-racism is a racist action. If you act like a racist……
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 21:28:08 GMT
Everyone who boos the "taking the knee" gesture is racist? It could be argued that booing people advocating anti-racism is a racist action. If you act like a racist…… Of course it could. That wasn't the answer my question warranted though.
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Post by colnepotter on Jun 19, 2021 23:28:42 GMT
A manager has to do much more than that. If that was his gameplan, it showed. It was devoid of strategy, ideas, creativity, imagination, character. This I agree with His game plan was rubbish too I get that some on here disagree with me , and that's fine , they are welcome too But Southgate is imo wrong to say ... Of his players ... 'It's their duty to continue to interact with the public on matters such as equality, inclusivity and racial injustice, while using the power of their voices to help put debates on the table, raise awareness and educate.' That's not their Job and that's not what they are at the euro's for ... They are their to play combative entertaining football , in the hope of winning the thing Which is what Italy are doing and Portugal doing and others Attacking a section of your own supporters ( which is what Southgate has done ) is not inclusive or anti racist , it's patronising England fans who don't like what he is doing are not wrong and nor do they need educating .They are entitled to have their opinion and boo him if they want . He is getting massively Side tracked here , Southgate , into spending his time patronising his own fans , when he should be putting out a team to entertain the fans and have a right good go and winning the thing ( like Italy Portugal and others ) England fans go to ( or tune in to ) the game to see their team have a right good go on the pitch ,not start passing the ball backwards , sideways , back again and bottling the riskier attacking all day long for the entire 90 mins If Southgate thinks England fans want to be patronised before the match and then served up 90 mins of negative , safety first , cowardly football , then that's his view . But he may be proved wrong Well said that man. A sense of unity is often associated with winning teams so what does he do.......
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Post by The man from Utch on Jun 20, 2021 2:24:12 GMT
How do I attach a pic of my Stoke flag ?
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Post by zerps on Jun 20, 2021 6:07:18 GMT
Anyone who feels ‘attacked’ by what Southgate said is the biggest snowflake going. Would be nice if his team could have a go at it mind. I feel attacked by the complete lack of bollocks shown by the England approach
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