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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2021 19:24:32 GMT
Would prefer Weimann
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Post by wherty on Jun 9, 2021 19:44:26 GMT
Didn't most fans on here slate Stoke when we signed Peter Odenwinge..... he did ok for us at a similar age didn't he?
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Post by yyy on Jun 9, 2021 19:49:49 GMT
Didn't most fans on here slate Stoke when we signed Peter Odenwinge..... he did ok for us at a similar age didn't he? He was a proven Premier league player though with goalscoring form
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2021 19:51:04 GMT
Didn't most fans on here slate Stoke when we signed Peter Odenwinge..... he did ok for us at a similar age didn't he? Odemwingie's pedigree was on a different level though, wasn't it? Taylor is 31 and has scored 15 Championship goals.
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 9, 2021 19:51:07 GMT
He did, but we were led to believe we looking to recruit players in the 24 - 29 age bracket, we already have 3 strikers on our books over 30!!
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Post by yyy on Jun 9, 2021 19:56:50 GMT
He did, but we were led to believe we looking to recruit players in the 24 - 29 age bracket, we already have 3 strikers on our books over 30!! I suppose most strikers in that bracket if any good cost money. If that's the sign of things to come we're buggered this summer as far as strengthening goes. You'd just take a punt on a foreign freebie or a loan wouldn't you instead of a known quantity with potential attitude and lack of goals. It would be nice to read this back though and see how wrong we all were but I bet we won't be. The word Snookered comes to mind
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Post by yyy on Jun 9, 2021 20:05:48 GMT
Sell Scholes house and go broke for benteke on a free, one last roll of the dice 🎲🎲
Benteke linking up with Campbell 🔥 🔥 🔥
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Post by mowlee on Jun 9, 2021 20:07:47 GMT
Benteke would be class.. abit out of our league now but bet he would of came if we were still in the prem
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Post by yyy on Jun 9, 2021 20:10:19 GMT
Benteke would be class.. abit out of our league now but bet he would of came if we were still in the prem Exactly what is needed though, a better Fletcher without injuries, he would tear this league a new one. We have had all season to find a bargain to make the difference, seems the best we can do is a known quantity freebie in our own back yard
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 10, 2021 1:47:32 GMT
Haven't seen it mentioned but with links like this, we usually see a post considering if Stoke suits the player geographically.
How far does he need to travel for training? Will he have to move a young family? Is his family happy to up sticks to a new area?
Come on guys get your acts together it's page 4.
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Post by leegthestokie90 on Jun 10, 2021 2:03:33 GMT
Ellis Simms the striker we should be after not another injury prone over 30 striker
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Post by sheds1862 on Jun 10, 2021 5:51:04 GMT
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Post by tachyon on Jun 10, 2021 6:47:21 GMT
Taylor's padded his scoring rate with penalties. 8/10 for Charlton in L1 4/4 for Charlton in Champ 1/1 for Forest in Champ. With pens included, his Championship xG/90 is 0.43, exclude them and his non penalty xG/90 is still a decent 0.33 per 90, both at Charlton & Forest. That's a non penalty expected goal every three full 90's. (for comparison, Brown's was 0.13 per 90 in 2020/21, Powell's 0.23 and Fletcher's 0.35) He's a six yard box striker & 20% of the chances he gets are considered "big chances". Excluding pens, 60% of his Championship attempts are right footed, the rest split between left & headers. He takes 2.2 attempts per 90, worth an average of 0.15 xG per attempt (confirming his liking for a big chance). Attachment DeletedHere's his combined Forest & Charlton Championship shot map (3706 minutes). The orange goal from outside the box, I suspect is the one JB misjudged. He's not very creative. 0.08 expected assists per 90 is around one every 13 full 90's. Given his age, he'd be an ok stopgap, with above average scoring potential, and process driven, rather than outcome driven recruitment seemes to have been applied.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 10, 2021 7:12:54 GMT
No thanks.
Next.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 10, 2021 7:54:56 GMT
Too be honest I can’t see us paying the likes of Kyle Taylor’s or weimann’s wages with ffp this transfer window unless it’s a straight swap with the likes of vokes or ince an the same kind of wages.. we will be more after loans on cheap wages like young prospects from the premiership
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Post by Ron on Jun 10, 2021 7:57:46 GMT
Too be honest I can’t see us paying the likes of Kyle Taylor’s or weimann’s wages with ffp this transfer window unless it’s a straight swap with the likes of vokes or ince an the same kind of wages.. we will be more after loans on cheap wages like young prospects from the premiership Lindsay wages free also whatever we were paying Wimmer and Gunn freed up too. Clucas and his £45k look like they’ll be freed up. Think we’d be able to afford these 2... Lyle Taylor won’t be on mega money- hence why we’re looking at him I’d imagine.
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Post by yyy on Jun 10, 2021 8:06:22 GMT
Taylor's padded his scoring rate with penalties. 8/10 for Charlton in L1 4/4 for Charlton in Champ 1/1 for Forest in Champ. With pens included, his Championship xG/90 is 0.43, exclude them and his non penalty xG/90 is still a decent 0.33 per 90, both at Charlton & Forest. That's a non penalty expected goal every three full 90's. (for comparison, Brown's was 0.13 per 90 in 2020/21, Powell's 0.23 and Fletcher's 0.35) He's a six yard box striker & 20% of the chances he gets are considered "big chances". Excluding pens, 60% of his Championship attempts are right footed, the rest split between left & headers. He takes 2.2 attempts per 90, worth an average of 0.15 xG per attempt (confirming his liking for a big chance). View AttachmentHere's his combined Forest & Charlton Championship shot map (3706 minutes). The orange goal from outside the box, I suspect is the one JB misjudged. He's not very creative. 0.08 expected assists per 90 is around one every 13 full 90's. Given his age, he'd be an ok stopgap, with above average scoring potential, and process driven, rather than outcome driven recruitment seemes to have been applied. I suspect your information is like alien technology to our recruitment, you should apply for a job
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 10, 2021 8:09:00 GMT
Martyn Waghorn might do a job for us for a season or two. Isn't he out of contract? Always looked quite decent against us?
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 10, 2021 8:23:58 GMT
Victoria: "Weve seen many strikers go on a goal scoring run at a new club. "
Like Scott Hogan at B'ham?
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Post by lagwafis on Jun 10, 2021 8:28:45 GMT
Too be honest I can’t see us paying the likes of Kyle Taylor’s or weimann’s wages with ffp this transfer window unless it’s a straight swap with the likes of vokes or ince an the same kind of wages.. we will be more after loans on cheap wages like young prospects from the premiership Lindsay wages free also whatever we were paying Wimmer and Gunn freed up too. Clucas and his £45k look like they’ll be freed up. Think we’d be able to afford these 2... Lyle Taylor won’t be on mega money- hence why we’re looking at him I’d imagine. I suppose the big question with wages is, from the money we free up what percentage can be reinvested in players and what percentage do we need to remove from our outgoings permanently to avoid future FFP problems.
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Post by mowlee on Jun 10, 2021 8:53:54 GMT
Too be honest I can’t see us paying the likes of Kyle Taylor’s or weimann’s wages with ffp this transfer window unless it’s a straight swap with the likes of vokes or ince an the same kind of wages.. we will be more after loans on cheap wages like young prospects from the premiership Lindsay wages free also whatever we were paying Wimmer and Gunn freed up too. Clucas and his £45k look like they’ll be freed up. Think we’d be able to afford these 2... Lyle Taylor won’t be on mega money- hence why we’re looking at him I’d imagine. yeah I totally get that money is freed up but if we’re going too be giving out good wages why hasn’t Powell got a contract extension
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 10, 2021 9:46:45 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 10, 2021 10:46:33 GMT
I would even be happy to go back to signing some decent Icelandic players at the moment.
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2021 11:16:42 GMT
Victoria: "Weve seen many strikers go on a goal scoring run at a new club. " Like Scott Hogan at B'ham? & then dry up Like Scott Hogan at B'ham We really need a goalscorer (in addition to Tyrese), fact is they are normally very expensive & re FFP 'very expensive' is something we can't do right now (unless we sell an asset e.g Collins) as such either we stick with what we have : Afobe,Vokes,Gregory (please please please move all these 3 on somehow) + Campbell & Fletcher or we take a gamble somewhere If we are beyond lucky the rumour (now gone cold) that Liam Delap is coming on loan is true Failing that tbh if we are taking a gamble would prefer a younger player from lower divisions (even then we might not be able to pay the required fee re FFP) Failing that if we have to get someone like Taylor in (not really what we need but better than Afobe,Vokes,Gregory) , please be on a short term contract (2 years at most) as a stop gap until FFP eases (in principle eases hugely summer 2022) we don't have an out & out striker coming through in the U23's either
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Post by wherty on Jun 10, 2021 11:49:56 GMT
Lindsay wages free also whatever we were paying Wimmer and Gunn freed up too. Clucas and his £45k look like they’ll be freed up. Think we’d be able to afford these 2... Lyle Taylor won’t be on mega money- hence why we’re looking at him I’d imagine. yeah I totally get that money is freed up but if we’re going too be giving out good wages why hasn’t Powell got a contract extension Because until other wages are off the books, it will impact ffp.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 10, 2021 12:13:27 GMT
Victoria: "Weve seen many strikers go on a goal scoring run at a new club. " Like Scott Hogan at B'ham? & then dry up Like Scott Hogan at B'ham We really need a goalscorer (in addition to Tyrese), fact is they are normally very expensive & re FFP 'very expensive' is something we can't do right now (unless we sell an asset e.g Collins) as such either we stick with what we have : Afobe,Vokes,Gregory (please please please move all these 3 on somehow) + Campbell & Fletcher or we take a gamble somewhere If we are beyond lucky the rumour (now gone cold) that Liam Delap is coming on loan is true Failing that tbh if we are taking a gamble would prefer a younger player from lower divisions (even then we might not be able to pay the required fee re FFP) Failing that if we have to get someone like Taylor in (not really what we need but better than Afobe,Vokes,Gregory) , please be on a short term contract (2 years at most) as a stop gap until FFP eases (in principle eases hugely summer 2022) we don't have an out & out striker coming through in the U23's either When the window closes, and hopefully we’ve shifted through the mountains of shite we have on the books, I’d like to see us have six options for the front thee positions: Campbell (fingers crossed) & Brown Fletcher + 1 central striker (crucial addition) Doughty & Matondo (loan) Find a decent number 9 (either a quality loan from the PL or an up and coming lower league player), then our options look decent to me, apart from a concern over some of them being injury prone.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 10, 2021 12:23:51 GMT
If O’Neill signs him he needs ducking. After Brown he can’t get away with another old age donkey. There are plenty of good young players in Germany, Spain etc, he just needs to look. That’s if he wants to save his job.
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 10, 2021 12:24:07 GMT
If O’Neill signs him he needs ducking. After Brown he can’t get away with another old age donkey. There are plenty of good young players in Germany, Spain etc, he just needs to look. That’s if he wants to save his job.
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Post by christhepotter on Jun 10, 2021 12:27:53 GMT
Lyle Taylor would be ideal. Weve seen many strikers go on a goal scoring run at a new club. From what ive read his personality will fit in nicely at our club. His record at other clubs suggests otherwise , would be a pointless signing as he’s no better than what we already have
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 10, 2021 12:29:28 GMT
If O’Neill signs him he needs ducking. After Brown he can’t get away with another old age donkey. There are plenty of good young players in Germany, Spain etc, he just needs to look. That’s if he wants to save his job. Brown is 23 and this obsession you seem to have with all things foreign is hilarious. You are aware of the post Brexit restrictions on continental players coming to play in the UK I presume?
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