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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 4, 2021 11:50:11 GMT
Perhaps unusually for Stoke the departure of players from the Club during this close season is at least as important or more probably critical than the subsidiary questions of any acquisitions. As everyone is aware we are, or should be, making strenuous efforts behind the scenes, to offload surplus players and bring down the wage bill and the size of the squad.
I, for one, will be anxiously looking for news of departures from the Club, and would find it very helpful to have an easily accessed point of reference, recording any significant moves in this direction.
So far we seem to be free of N'Diaye, and Wimmer has also gone. Cousins, perhaps surprisingly, has been released, or at least is out of contract. Well at least its a start, but more of the same is expected.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 4, 2021 12:27:11 GMT
I'll cross any out on here when they happen
Adam Davies
Jo Bursik
Blondy Nna Noukeu - loan to Crawley
Tom Edwards - loan at New York Red Bulls
Tommy Smith
Moritz Bauer - presumably released on a free to Ufa
Kieran Coates
Harry Souttar
Nathan Collins - sold to Burnley
James Chester
Danny Batth
Liam Lindsay - sold to Preston
Bruno Martins Indi - sold to AZ Alkmaar
Kevin Wimmer - free to some unsuspecting Austrian club
Will Forrester
Morgan Fox
Josh Tymon
Jon Obi Mikel - rejected our offer, MON’s crying
Jordan Thompson
Sam Clucas
Joe Allen
Peter Etebo - on loan to Watford
Ryan Woods - signed for Birmingham City
Lasse Sorensen - signed for Lincoln
Badou Ndiaye - signed for some Greek club
Jordan Cousins - released
Nick Powell
Tashan Oakley-Boothe
Jacob Brown
Tom Ince
Alfie Doughty
James McClean
Tyrese Campbell
Steven Fletcher
Lee Gregory signed for Sheffield Wednesday
Sam Vokes - signed for MFI...I mean Wycombe
Benik Afobe - on loan to Millwall
Christian Norton
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 4, 2021 12:30:24 GMT
Saving that squad list must cause people some storage or disc space problems if they haven't got cloud access!
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Post by crowey on Jun 5, 2021 8:47:56 GMT
I'll cross any out on here when they happen Adam Davies Jo Bursik Blondy Nna Noukeu Tom Edwards - loan at New York Red Bulls Tommy Smith Moritz Bauer Kieran Coates Harry Souttar Nathan Collins James Chester Danny Batth Liam Lindsay Bruno Martins Indi Kevin Wimmer - free to some unsuspecting Austrian club Will Forrester Morgan Fox Josh Tymon Jon Obi Mikel Jordan Thompson Sam Clucas Joe Allen Peter Etebo Ryan Woods Lasse Sorensen Badou Ndiaye - on loan in Saudi Arabia Jordan Cousins - released Nick Powell Tashan Oakley-Boothe Jacob Brown Tom Ince Alfie Doughty James McClean Tyrese Campbell Steven Fletcher Lee Gregory Sam Vokes Benik Afobe Christian Norton ..... isn’t Badou permanent to a newly promoted Turkish team? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2021 9:02:04 GMT
I'll cross any out on here when they happen Adam Davies Jo Bursik Blondy Nna Noukeu Tom Edwards - loan at New York Red Bulls Tommy Smith Moritz Bauer Kieran Coates Harry Souttar Nathan Collins James Chester Danny Batth Liam Lindsay Bruno Martins Indi Kevin Wimmer - free to some unsuspecting Austrian club Will Forrester Morgan Fox Josh Tymon Jon Obi Mikel Jordan Thompson Sam Clucas Joe Allen Peter Etebo Ryan Woods Lasse Sorensen Badou Ndiaye - on loan in Saudi Arabia Jordan Cousins - released Nick Powell Tashan Oakley-Boothe Jacob Brown Tom Ince Alfie Doughty James McClean Tyrese Campbell Steven Fletcher Lee Gregory Sam Vokes Benik Afobe Christian Norton ..... isn’t Badou permanent to a newly promoted Turkish team? Didn't think it was official? |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 5, 2021 9:23:25 GMT
Its frightening how many players we have and absolutely no surprise that we are in the position we are with regards FFP
Still, nothing wring with the process 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 9:54:21 GMT
I think it could be somewhat easier this season to rid ourselves of players, because a year from now, they - apart from Etebo and maybe others will be in the last year of their contracts. That means if another employer hasn't come in for them by the time the transfer window ends, they will be in a big black empty hole a year from now, with no money coming in and no one to play for. They/agents will then have to find potential employers themselves with no recent videos to show what they can do. They will have to reduce their wages demands considerably and any other extras they might have had can be equally forgotten. Their reputations may well be in shatters, because of what they have or rather have not done at Stoke, although there so far has been one or the other desperate boss willing to take a risk on them.
So while it's probably unlikely that we lose everyone of the unwanted players, there is at least a bigger chance this year that some will see sense on their own behalf and move on.
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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2021 9:58:06 GMT
I think it could be somewhat easier this season to rid ourselves of players, because a year from now, they - apart from Etebo and maybe others will be in the last year of their contracts. That means if another employer hasn't come in for them by the time the transfer window ends, they will be in a big black empty hole a year from now, with no money coming in and no one to play for. They/agents will then have to find potential employers themselves with no recent videos to show what they can do. They will have to reduce their wages demands considerably and any other extras they might have had can be equally forgotten. Their reputations may well be in shatters, because of what they have or rather have not done at Stoke, although there so far has been one or the other desperate boss willing to take a risk on them. So while it's probably unlikely that we lose everyone of the unwanted players, there is at least a bigger chance this year that some will see sense on their own behalf and move on. I think that scenario will play out in January rather than this summer |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 10:39:37 GMT
I think it could be somewhat easier this season to rid ourselves of players, because a year from now, they - apart from Etebo and maybe others will be in the last year of their contracts. That means if another employer hasn't come in for them by the time the transfer window ends, they will be in a big black empty hole a year from now, with no money coming in and no one to play for. They/agents will then have to find potential employers themselves with no recent videos to show what they can do. They will have to reduce their wages demands considerably and any other extras they might have had can be equally forgotten. Their reputations may well be in shatters, because of what they have or rather have not done at Stoke, although there so far has been one or the other desperate boss willing to take a risk on them. So while it's probably unlikely that we lose everyone of the unwanted players, there is at least a bigger chance this year that some will see sense on their own behalf and move on. I think that scenario will play out in January rather than this summer I disagree, because in January most clubs have very little budget left. Or nothing. |
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Post by crowey on Jun 5, 2021 11:24:02 GMT
..... isn’t Badou permanent to a newly promoted Turkish team? Didn't think it was official? ..... Aaaah |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 11:27:10 GMT
Its frightening how many players we have and absolutely no surprise that we are in the position we are with regards FFP Still, nothing wring with the process 🤔 aprt from internet speculation and a a few on here , do we actually know the actual FFP situation? |
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jun 5, 2021 11:37:10 GMT
Its frightening how many players we have and absolutely no surprise that we are in the position we are with regards FFP Still, nothing wring with the process 🤔 aprt from internet speculation and a a few on here , do we actually know the actual FFP situation? Dont know the ins and outs of it but when you are posting 80m losses with a wagebill like ours it doesnt look too clever |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 11:41:26 GMT
aprt from internet speculation and a a few on here , do we actually know the actual FFP situation? Dont know the ins and outs of it but when you are posting 80m losses with a wagebill like ours it doesnt look too clever of course not but am sure plans in place ( Cue Scholes comments from the usual) |
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Post by skip on Jun 5, 2021 23:07:24 GMT
Each time I look at that list I look at another player who makes me wince. This time it's Ince.
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Post by RF10 on Jun 5, 2021 23:33:39 GMT
Has it been confirmed Gunn isn't returning?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 5:14:31 GMT
Has it been confirmed Gunn isn't returning? yes - at least by the Sentinel |
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Post by bolders on Jun 6, 2021 8:26:50 GMT
There are another 7 we know will be gone out of that list; BMI, Lindsey, Bauer, Woods, Etebo, Afobe, Sorensen (another development loan)
Then there are another 6 we would really like to be out the building for FFP reasons and other reasons; Ince, McClean, Vokes, Clucas, Allen, Gregory
13 players we need to shift
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 6, 2021 9:44:53 GMT
There are another 7 we know will be gone out of that list; BMI, Lindsey, Bauer, Woods, Etebo, Afobe, Sorensen (another development loan) Then there are another 6 we would really like to be out the building for FFP reasons and other reasons; Ince, McClean, Vokes, Clucas, Allen, Gregory 13 players we need to shift If Allen has a good couple of weeks at the Euros he might get to be named in the "Team of the Tournament" again, and some club might be tempted or fooled into paying out money for him again! Its happened before!  |
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Post by stokecitytalke on Jun 6, 2021 10:49:20 GMT
There are another 7 we know will be gone out of that list; BMI, Lindsey, Bauer, Woods, Etebo, Afobe, Sorensen (another development loan) Then there are another 6 we would really like to be out the building for FFP reasons and other reasons; Ince, McClean, Vokes, Clucas, Allen, Gregory 13 players we need to shift If Allen has a good couple of weeks at the Euros he might get to be named in the "Team of the Tournament" again, and some club might be tempted or fooled into paying out money for him again! Its happened before! No team would ever do that....... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 9, 2021 17:02:22 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 9, 2021 17:28:37 GMT
Shawcross Wimmer Badou Gunn Lindsay .......next! Already a lot of wages saved there I think!  |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 10, 2021 8:34:36 GMT
So Liam Lindsay is now an official departure from our happily shrinking squad.
A pity he wasn't Alec Lindsey.
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Post by bolders on Jun 10, 2021 9:09:12 GMT
Shawcross £50k Wimmer £37.5k Badou £25k Gunn £24k Lindsay £12.5k .......next! Already a lot of wages saved there I think! So £149k a week saved so far. £8,268,000 for a season |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2021 9:13:13 GMT
Shawcross £50k Wimmer £37.5k Badou £25k Gunn £24k Lindsay £12.5k .......next! Already a lot of wages saved there I think! So £149k a week saved so far. £8,268,000 for a season Plus Cousins on c £10k PW so £500k PA. Minimum. |
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Post by prudhoesnose on Jun 10, 2021 9:23:01 GMT
I'm more excited by players leaving than signing new ones.
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Post by bolders on Jun 10, 2021 9:31:42 GMT
So £149k a week saved so far. £8,268,000 for a season Plus Cousins on c £10k PW so £500k PA. Minimum. I was going to put him at first but he isn’t really anything saved because he was going anyway |
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 10, 2021 9:44:12 GMT
Be interesting to see the current wages of all those listed - could be frightening
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 10, 2021 10:34:34 GMT
Plus Cousins on c £10k PW so £500k PA. Minimum. I was going to put him at first but he isn’t really anything saved because he was going anyway True - but it is still a reduction on the wage bill which helps FFP. Put it this way, if we had 10 players who were out of contract this summer instead of just the one, we'd be almost out of the woods on FFP - providing, of course, that the majority of them were not regular starters last season. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 11, 2021 8:59:32 GMT
Shawcross £50k Wimmer £37.5k Badou £25k Gunn £24k Lindsay £12.5k .......next! Already a lot of wages saved there I think! So £149k a week saved so far. £8,268,000 for a season More to come hopefully!  |
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Post by bolders on Jun 11, 2021 11:01:14 GMT
So £149k a week saved so far. £8,268,000 for a season More to come hopefully! I think I saw someone say if we got rid of all the deadwood we would save £45m for the season, that’s madness if true |
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