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Post by apb1 on Jul 2, 2021 11:08:32 GMT
Adam Davies Jo Bursik Blondy Nna Noukeu NEW - JACK BONHAM
Tom Edwards - loan at New York Red Bulls Tommy Smith
Moritz Bauer - presumably released on a free to Ufa Kieran Coates
Harry Souttar
Nathan Collins - sold to Burnley James Chester Danny Batth
Liam Lindsay - sold to Preston Bruno Martins Indi
Kevin Wimmer - free to some unsuspecting Austrian club Will Forrester NEW - BEN WILMOT
Morgan Fox Josh Tymon
Jon Obi Mikel – to an Arab club Jordan Thompson Sam Clucas Joe Allen Peter Etebo
Ryan Woods - signed for Birmingham City Lasse Sorensen
Badou Ndiaye - on loan in Saudi Arabia
Jordan Cousins - released
Nick Powell Tashan Oakley-Boothe
Jacob Brown Tom Ince
Alfie Doughty James McClean
Tyrese Campbell Steven Fletcher Lee Gregory Sam Vokes
Benik Afobe – to Millwall on loan Christian Norton
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Post by wuzza on Jul 2, 2021 11:13:01 GMT
I think MON’s experience with NI of making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear is going to come in very handy this season. 😳
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2021 11:15:32 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see what he does.
I still think the first XI won't be that far from the players we have and tbh it's a decent enough team bar a defensive midfielder and right back.
Davies or Bursik
Smith Souttar Wilmot Fox
Allen Clucas
Campbell Powell Doughty
Fletcher
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A GK
Chester Souttar Wilmot
Smith Alen Clucas Doughty
Campbell Fletcher Powell
Striker needed too to rotate and rest Fletcher.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 13:05:04 GMT
Looking at the various sites that estimate wages and our accounts, we probably have a wage bill of around £15 million plus £9 million or so for Bruno, Ince, Gregory, Etebo and Vokes. Assuming we can shift those 5, we should have scope to spend maybe £5 million on wages and some on Transfer fees (if we managed to meet FFP in 2020/21) because of the profit on Collins. With a couple of loans, that might run to a right back, 2 midfielders, a centre forward and a winger which would be a squad of 24 assuming most youngsters go on loan.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Jul 2, 2021 13:31:10 GMT
Looking at the various sites that estimate wages and our accounts, we probably have a wage bill of around £15 million plus £9 million or so for Bruno, Ince, Gregory, Etebo and Vokes. Assuming we can shift those 5, we should have scope to spend maybe £5 million on wages and some on Transfer fees (if we managed to meet FFP in 2020/21) because of the profit on Collins. With a couple of loans, that might run to a right back, 2 midfielders, a centre forward and a winger which would be a squad of 24 assuming most youngsters go on loan. And Mclean
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Post by Veritas on Jul 2, 2021 14:53:34 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see what he does. I still think the first XI won't be that far from the players we have and tbh it's a decent enough team bar a defensive midfielder and right back. Davies or Bursik Smith Souttar Wilmot Fox Allen Clucas Campbell Powell Doughty Fletcher Or A GK Chester Souttar Wilmot Smith Alen Clucas Doughty Campbell Fletcher Powell Striker needed too to rotate and rest Fletcher. The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season
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Post by telfordstokie on Jul 2, 2021 15:13:22 GMT
Very difficult to judge our business at present as we look light in a fair few areas right now but surely nowhere near done in the market yet. Think the fact we got Bonham in when arguably we didn’t need to shows there must be some wiggle room.
One positive is we seem to be doing things the right way for once by getting players out the door and off the wage bill before making additions. Better than previous windows where we’ve ended up with a massive squad and had to send loads on last minute loans.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 2, 2021 15:17:56 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see what he does. I still think the first XI won't be that far from the players we have and tbh it's a decent enough team bar a defensive midfielder and right back. Davies or Bursik Smith Souttar Wilmot Fox Allen Clucas Campbell Powell Doughty Fletcher Or A GK Chester Souttar Wilmot Smith Alen Clucas Doughty Campbell Fletcher Powell Striker needed too to rotate and rest Fletcher. The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season Definitely. We need better than Smith for sure. I have no faith in the midfield to protect the backline either. Neither player has shown they can do it. It'll be interesting to see where Campbell is, don't share the massive pessimism around him tbh. He looks a lot further on than I expected but definitely need to be cautious with him and putting Brown in that side instead of him doesn't look great!
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 2, 2021 15:42:39 GMT
The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season Definitely. We need better than Smith for sure. I have no faith in the midfield to protect the backline either. Neither player has shown they can do it. It'll be interesting to see where Campbell is, don't share the massive pessimism around him tbh. He looks a lot further on than I expected but definitely need to be cautious with him and putting Brown in that side instead of him doesn't look great! Agreed, allen and Clucas dont give me the impression of a solid midfield
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 2, 2021 16:50:45 GMT
Looking at the various sites that estimate wages and our accounts, we probably have a wage bill of around £15 million plus £9 million or so for Bruno, Ince, Gregory, Etebo and Vokes. Assuming we can shift those 5, we should have scope to spend maybe £5 million on wages and some on Transfer fees (if we managed to meet FFP in 2020/21) because of the profit on Collins. With a couple of loans, that might run to a right back, 2 midfielders, a centre forward and a winger which would be a squad of 24 assuming most youngsters go on loan. And Mclean I assumed he stays. If not maybe need another wide left player
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Post by Veritas on Jul 2, 2021 19:07:31 GMT
The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season Definitely. We need better than Smith for sure. I have no faith in the midfield to protect the backline either. Neither player has shown they can do it. It'll be interesting to see where Campbell is, don't share the massive pessimism around him tbh. He looks a lot further on than I expected but definitely need to be cautious with him and putting Brown in that side instead of him doesn't look great! I don't know enough about Wilmot to be sure but perhaps Fox in a back three would release Wilmot to play as defensive midfield.
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Post by nonameface on Jul 2, 2021 19:21:56 GMT
It's going to be interesting to see what he does. I still think the first XI won't be that far from the players we have and tbh it's a decent enough team bar a defensive midfielder and right back. Davies or Bursik Smith Souttar Wilmot Fox Allen Clucas Campbell Powell Doughty Fletcher Or A GK Chester Souttar Wilmot Smith Alen Clucas Doughty Campbell Fletcher Powell Striker needed too to rotate and rest Fletcher. Looks good. If Fox was swapped for Chester in the back three then that team can naturally transition to the first formation without substitute such is useful. Wilmott playing on the right hand side of Souttar to accommodate Fox in a three.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 3, 2021 7:44:47 GMT
The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season Definitely. We need better than Smith for sure. I have no faith in the midfield to protect the backline either. Neither player has shown they can do it. It'll be interesting to see where Campbell is, don't share the massive pessimism around him tbh. He looks a lot further on than I expected but definitely need to be cautious with him and putting Brown in that side instead of him doesn't look great! We need better than clucas and Allen in midfield
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 3, 2021 8:08:52 GMT
That team has got relegation written all over it
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2021 8:43:22 GMT
That CM will get battered most games. Those full backs will find it impossible to get forward without that cover.
There is no way Campbell plays before Xmas. So unless there is 3 incoming at CM, FB and up top we will be bottom half.
Other than that it's okay 😎
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Post by hyaduck on Jul 3, 2021 8:59:56 GMT
Lots of talk about certain players leaving but not heard anything regarding Ince, anyone know owt?
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Post by thehoof on Jul 3, 2021 9:02:50 GMT
The weak points look like Smith and Campbell, the latter being a question of who will be standing in for him at the start of the season Definitely. We need better than Smith for sure. I have no faith in the midfield to protect the backline either. Neither player has shown they can do it. It'll be interesting to see where Campbell is, don't share the massive pessimism around him tbh. He looks a lot further on than I expected but definitely need to be cautious with him and putting Brown in that side instead of him doesn't look great! I’m the other side of the fence with Campbell and really fearful of the worst. He was injured on the 8th December 2020- no contact with anyone. 8 months later the most optimistic statement is that he is back running on grass. Running quickly? Jogging? Running in a straight line only? What will happen the first time he tried to turn? When he gets properly tackled, when he jumps and lands? Given this and where he is now - running on grass- you are looking at potentially several months before he’ll be anywhere near fit to return. Not one really positive comment has been made by the club, with regard to Tyrese- it’s “we don’t want to rush him” which is absolutely fine, but it indicates that they have no idea of what or when Tyrese’s recovery will take place. Compare it to the comments relating to Doughty- he will be fit throughout pre-season; and despite it not being necessary when we were on the verge of the play offs, it’s now vital that we get a striker in ( which it was in the January window). I may be being pessimistic but in 54 years of following Stoke, pessimism is the default setting and achievement (10 or 12 years excepted) of SCFC.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jul 3, 2021 9:25:15 GMT
I have been really encouraged by how much business (in terms of outgoings) that we have been able to conduct so far.
I genuinely feared that we would be stuck with a mass of deadwood until next summer!
As people have already mentioned on this thread, the amount of money we will be saving on wages alone is astronomical - it really does highlight how poorly run the club has been.
However, now that we have (presumably) given MoN some room to work in the transfer market we need to ensure that our recruitment is spot on. It would be an incredibly Stoke-like thing to clear out deadwood just to replace it with even more deadwood! 😂
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 3, 2021 12:41:00 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 3, 2021 12:50:35 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay Odd then that Lindsay never made the Scottish U21 squad whilst Wilmot is an England U21 regular. Do the Scots have so much more depth in their international squads than England?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 3, 2021 12:54:20 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay Odd then that Lindsay never made the Scottish U21 squad whilst Wilmot is an England U21 regular. Do the Scots have so much more depth in their international squads than England? For me they have very similar pedigree and upside at the timee of signing. Certainly nothing to be getting excited about
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Post by lordb on Jul 3, 2021 13:17:23 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay He wasn't let go we had to pay for him
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Post by mark on Jul 3, 2021 13:29:52 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay You haven't even seen him play yet, why don't you give the lad a chance?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 3, 2021 13:42:00 GMT
Since when did Wilmcot become the second coming of Bobby Moore. We are talking about a guy let go by watford. He is like to be worse than Lindsay He wasn't let go we had to pay for him They let him leave is what I meant
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Post by Davef on Jul 3, 2021 14:10:18 GMT
He wasn't let go we had to pay for him They let him leave is what I meant Who exactly are you expecting us to sign?
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Jul 3, 2021 14:28:40 GMT
They let him leave is what I meant Who exactly are you expecting us to sign? just hoped we would keep our better players. Flogging them can only lead to the inevitable esp with our history of signings
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Post by Davef on Jul 3, 2021 14:33:28 GMT
Who exactly are you expecting us to sign? just hoped we would keep our better players. Flogging them can only lead to the inevitable esp with our history of signings Well apart from Nathan Collins, who is anybody going to lose sleep over leaving the club?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 4, 2021 7:28:26 GMT
Vokes to Blunderland would be brillliant if it happens
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 4, 2021 7:32:56 GMT
That team has got relegation written all over it I can’t see where the goals are coming from let’s hope there’s three worse teams than us , it’s frightening how we have declined in the last three years
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 4, 2021 7:38:41 GMT
That team has got relegation written all over it Really? It’s a DM and a better striker away from being a play off team imo even if you keep Smith at right back. The issues come when you look what’s behind them.
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