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Post by liathroid on Aug 5, 2021 22:15:40 GMT
It’s amazing how sorting out your own monumental fuck up by selling your best asset and using the Proceeds to subsidise giveaways of Valieless assess and liabilities is greeted as some sort of positive . Is should be treated as the final manifestation of commercial incompetence never never seen before in our 150 plus years and their is one consternation figure throughout paid handsomely to manage it another day ,same shit
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 5, 2021 22:20:31 GMT
It’s amazing how sorting out your own monumental fuck up by selling your best asset and using the Proceeds to subsidise giveaways of Valieless assess and liabilities is greeted as some sort of positive . Is should be treated as the final manifestation of commercial incompetence never never seen before in our 150 plus years and their is one consternation figure throughout paid handsomely to manage it I agree with your assessment of our own monumental fuck up of having so much overpaid and underperforming deadwood on the books, Benji. I would be really interested, given the fuck up that existed at the start of this summer, how YOU would have reached the situation we are now in (where most of the deadwood has left the club) without selling one of our few players who any club would pay decent money for. Not forgetting, of course, that we seem to have replaced him with a decent player at minimal cost. Come on Benji - you are never slow to criticise - so how would you have solved the conundrum of improving the squad within the constraints of FFP?Let’s be honest the course of action taken is the only one available to the burning platform we stand on courtesy of our own arson ,but that’s not cause for celebration it’s the football equivalent of the walk of shame for a super model back to her elysee penthouse after waking up in a threesome with Quasimodo and his ugly brother in pigalle Our situation is the product of gross incompetence burning the bodies is Cause for remorse not how well we’ve done we’ve just wasted £100m lost our best asset and 100’s of millions of revenue in the process so I won’t be lauding the process at 2.50 on Saturday and until any of this or under last seasons signings start performing I’ll reserve an open minded judgment on has anything changed
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 6, 2021 0:33:02 GMT
I agree with your assessment of our own monumental fuck up of having so much overpaid and underperforming deadwood on the books, Benji. I would be really interested, given the fuck up that existed at the start of this summer, how YOU would have reached the situation we are now in (where most of the deadwood has left the club) without selling one of our few players who any club would pay decent money for. Not forgetting, of course, that we seem to have replaced him with a decent player at minimal cost. Come on Benji - you are never slow to criticise - so how would you have solved the conundrum of improving the squad within the constraints of FFP?Let’s be honest the course of action taken is the only one available to the burning platform we stand on courtesy of our own arson ,but that’s not cause for celebration it’s the football equivalent of the walk of shame for a super model back to her elysee penthouse after waking up in a threesome with Quasimodo and his ugly brother in pigalle Our situation is the product of gross incompetence burning the bodies is Cause for remorse not how well we’ve done we’ve just wasted £100m lost our best asset and 100’s of millions of revenue in the process so I won’t be lauding the process at 2.50 on Saturday and until any of this or under last seasons signings start performing I’ll reserve an open minded judgment on has anything changed Don't love your negativity but the Quasimodo imagery is poetic. I'd say it's more like she slipped out without getting trapped or seen, even thought she'd promised act #2 in the morning. Best you can hope for in that situation.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 6, 2021 6:48:04 GMT
It’s amazing how sorting out your own monumental fuck up by selling your best asset and using the Proceeds to subsidise giveaways of Valieless assess and liabilities is greeted as some sort of positive . Is should be treated as the final manifestation of commercial incompetence never never seen before in our 150 plus years and their is one consternation figure throughout paid handsomely to manage it I agree with your assessment of our own monumental fuck up of having so much overpaid and underperforming deadwood on the books, Benji. I would be really interested, given the fuck up that existed at the start of this summer, how YOU would have reached the situation we are now in (where most of the deadwood has left the club) without selling one of our few players who any club would pay decent money for. Not forgetting, of course, that we seem to have replaced him with a decent player at minimal cost. Come on Benji - you are never slow to criticise - so how would you have solved the conundrum of improving the squad within the constraints of FFP?So having given my Answer amy I be permitted a question in return by way of some relationship advice imagine Mrs Biscuit goes out over three years and buys for £10.000 Per pair Pairs of genuine original edition Jimmy choos , Valentino’s , , Gucci , and Armani shoes with matching Rolex , Chanel ad Patek watches and three years later having never worn them proudly announces having sold my appreciating vintage Ferrari to fund the transaction she’s has paid the girls next door £1000 per item to come and collect them as she’s no use for them and doesn’t like them and they look like fakes but she Believed the salesman at that time even though In some cases she had been conned by him before Do I say 1 well done darling how much would you like for your next shopping spree and don’t forget to ask the people you bought off before if they have anything 2 Get yourself a job down the 365 cleaning bogs and when you’ve paid off the debt the ferrari buy your own shoes amd watches 3 Fuck off up the Vale and I’ll get someone who can count understands value and doesn’t think they understand things they clearly don’t Thank you in advance for your kid advice BB
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 6, 2021 7:07:06 GMT
I agree with your assessment of our own monumental fuck up of having so much overpaid and underperforming deadwood on the books, Benji. I would be really interested, given the fuck up that existed at the start of this summer, how YOU would have reached the situation we are now in (where most of the deadwood has left the club) without selling one of our few players who any club would pay decent money for. Not forgetting, of course, that we seem to have replaced him with a decent player at minimal cost. Come on Benji - you are never slow to criticise - so how would you have solved the conundrum of improving the squad within the constraints of FFP?So having given my Answer amy I be permitted a question in return by way of some relationship advice imagine Mrs Biscuit goes out over three years and buys for £10.000 Per pair Pairs of genuine original edition Jimmy choos , Valentino’s , , Gucci , and Armani shoes with matching Rolex , Chanel ad Patek watches and three years later having never worn them proudly announces having sold my appreciating vintage Ferrari to fund the transaction she’s has paid the girls next door £1000 per item to come and collect them as she’s no use for them and doesn’t like them and they look like fakes but she Believed the salesman at that time even though In some cases she had been conned by him before Do I say 1 well done darling how much would you like for your next shopping spree and don’t forget to ask the people you bought off before if they have anything 2 Get yourself a job down the 365 cleaning bogs and when you’ve paid off the debt the ferrari buy your own shoes amd watches 3 Fuck off up the Vale and I’ll get someone who can count understands value and doesn’t think they understand things they clearly don’t Thank you in advance for your kid advice BB I can't even begin to suggest answers, Benji, your mind set is so far removed from mine that I wouldn't dare intrude on family matters. I've said before - I get your frustration that we found ourselves in this position. But we arrived at this position under 3 or 4 previous managers. You may still feel frustrated but I am delighted that we have finally got a manger (with a team around him) who has grasped the nettle and done amazingly well to clear out so much deadwood and still have some money to spare to improve the squad. The position we are now in is one which I thought we would not reach for another 12 months if we were lucky. Now, like you, I could have a moan for the umpteenth time about the transfer failings of Hughes (in his later years) and Rowett and Jones - backed by a Chief Exec who lost his grip on the situation years ago. But we are where we are, and I would much rather concentrate on the things we have got right this summer - because the things we have got right are what will determine our immediate future. And that is a pleasant change from recent years when our future was totally dictated by the failures of our past. I don't feel guilty about my optimism because, Benji, you and a few others on this board, post more than enough pessimism for all of us.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 6, 2021 7:08:21 GMT
I really think some people at the club deserve credit for this window so far. To get so much of the deadwood out of the club is way beyond my expectations, in fact only two unwanted players are still here now. This has given us wiggle room to bring in exciting players like Wilmot, Surridge and Vrancic, and still more will come I presume. A lot of mistakes have been done in the past, but still I will give credit to people for correcting this.
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Post by RAF on Aug 6, 2021 7:35:50 GMT
All this proves is that there absolutely was something wrong with the process and now after an incredible amount of fuck ups they are actually trying to do something about it , unfortunately at the cost of losing Collins.
I'm not giving them any credit for shipping out the dead wood after having to sell one of our prize assets.
It's like giving someone credit for cleaning up dogshit from a pavement that their dog did a week before after people had trodden in it.
The only person for me that comes out of this debacle with any credit is the manager. Fuck knows what he was told initially to take the job.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 6, 2021 8:07:11 GMT
So having given my Answer amy I be permitted a question in return by way of some relationship advice imagine Mrs Biscuit goes out over three years and buys for £10.000 Per pair Pairs of genuine original edition Jimmy choos , Valentino’s , , Gucci , and Armani shoes with matching Rolex , Chanel ad Patek watches and three years later having never worn them proudly announces having sold my appreciating vintage Ferrari to fund the transaction she’s has paid the girls next door £1000 per item to come and collect them as she’s no use for them and doesn’t like them and they look like fakes but she Believed the salesman at that time even though In some cases she had been conned by him before Do I say 1 well done darling how much would you like for your next shopping spree and don’t forget to ask the people you bought off before if they have anything 2 Get yourself a job down the 365 cleaning bogs and when you’ve paid off the debt the ferrari buy your own shoes amd watches 3 Fuck off up the Vale and I’ll get someone who can count understands value and doesn’t think they understand things they clearly don’t Thank you in advance for your kid advice BB I can't even begin to suggest answers, Benji, your mind set is so far removed from mine that I wouldn't dare intrude on family matters. I've said before - I get your frustration that we found ourselves in this position. But we arrived at this position under 3 or 4 previous managers. You may still feel frustrated but I am delighted that we have finally got a manger (with a team around him) who has grasped the nettle and done amazingly well to clear out so much deadwood and still have some money to spare to improve the squad. The position we are now in is one which I thought we would not reach for another 12 months if we were lucky. Now, like you, I could have a moan for the umpteenth time about the transfer failings of Hughes (in his later years) and Rowett and Jones - backed by a Chief Exec who lost his grip on the situation years ago. But we are where we are, and I would much rather concentrate on the things we have got right this summer - because the things we have got right are what will determine our immediate future. And that is a pleasant change from recent years when our future was totally dictated by the failures of our past. I don't feel guilty about my optimism because, Benji, you and a few others on this board, post more than enough pessimism for all of us. Nor should you i approach tomorrow with hope in my heart and praying another fresh start changes our trajectory. Im not negatives about O’Neil in general( jury’s out as i S ure he’d agree firs to part survival achieved build from there not enough evidence. yet )or the players and hugely grateful for and supportive of the owners unlike some , but its known where I believe accountability sits and that ill continues to debate where appropriate .
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Post by ash on Aug 6, 2021 8:43:32 GMT
All this proves is that there absolutely was something wrong with the process and now after an incredible amount of fuck ups they are actually trying to do something about it , unfortunately at the cost of losing Collins. I'm not giving them any credit for shipping out the dead wood after having to sell one of our prize assets. It's like giving someone credit for cleaning up dogshit from a pavement that their dog did a week before after people had trodden in it. The only person for me that comes out of this debacle with any credit is the manager. Fuck knows what he was told initially to take the job. H To be fair we don't know the situation behind the scenes which resulted in Collins leaving. It may have been the player pressing for the move which forced the club to sell him. Just because it hasn't appeared in the press or on social media doesn't mean that's the case. Just curious if the Manager in this case Michael O'Neill gets all the credit for sorting out the debacle and not Tony Scholes, why is it that Tony Scholes gets the blame for getting us in this position and not the various Manager's that pursued and signed the players in the first place?
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 6, 2021 8:53:51 GMT
I agree with your assessment of our own monumental fuck up of having so much overpaid and underperforming deadwood on the books, Benji. I would be really interested, given the fuck up that existed at the start of this summer, how YOU would have reached the situation we are now in (where most of the deadwood has left the club) without selling one of our few players who any club would pay decent money for. Not forgetting, of course, that we seem to have replaced him with a decent player at minimal cost. Come on Benji - you are never slow to criticise - so how would you have solved the conundrum of improving the squad within the constraints of FFP?So having given my Answer amy I be permitted a question in return by way of some relationship advice imagine Mrs Biscuit goes out over three years and buys for £10.000 Per pair Pairs of genuine original edition Jimmy choos , Valentino’s , , Gucci , and Armani shoes with matching Rolex , Chanel ad Patek watches and three years later having never worn them proudly announces having sold my appreciating vintage Ferrari to fund the transaction she’s has paid the girls next door £1000 per item to come and collect them as she’s no use for them and doesn’t like them and they look like fakes but she Believed the salesman at that time even though In some cases she had been conned by him before Do I say 1 well done darling how much would you like for your next shopping spree and don’t forget to ask the people you bought off before if they have anything 2 Get yourself a job down the 365 cleaning bogs and when you’ve paid off the debt the ferrari buy your own shoes amd watches 3 Fuck off up the Vale and I’ll get someone who can count understands value and doesn’t think they understand things they clearly don’t Thank you in advance for your kid advice BB Benji, in this scenario you have clearly assumed to role of CEO and turned a blind eye to all of Mrs Biscuits previous shenanigans, so you too must shoulder some of that responsibility and help the good lady clear up the mess. Indeed, if you align this with what has happened at Stoke, you will already have divorced her, and re-married twice more at least What do they say about repeating the same mistakes time after time...something that has often been levelled at Scholes. This window has seen the club grasp the nettle and do something positive about the mess...not before time. I don't know who the prime mover is in all of this, it may be peter, Jon or the CEO, I'm just glad that someone has done it.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 6, 2021 9:04:41 GMT
All this proves is that there absolutely was something wrong with the process and now after an incredible amount of fuck ups they are actually trying to do something about it , unfortunately at the cost of losing Collins. I'm not giving them any credit for shipping out the dead wood after having to sell one of our prize assets. It's like giving someone credit for cleaning up dogshit from a pavement that their dog did a week before after people had trodden in it. The only person for me that comes out of this debacle with any credit is the manager. Fuck knows what he was told initially to take the job. H To be fair we don't know the situation behind the scenes which resulted in Collins leaving. It may have been the player pressing for the move which forced the club to sell him. Just because it hasn't appeared in the press or on social media doesn't mean that's the case. Just curious if the Manager in this case Michael O'Neill gets all the credit for sorting out the debacle and not Tony Scholes, why is it that Tony Scholes gets the blame for getting us in this position and not the various Manager's that pursued and signed the players in the first place?This exactly! Controversial I know, but Scholes and the hierarchy should be commended for backing their managers.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 6, 2021 9:07:59 GMT
To be fair we don't know the situation behind the scenes which resulted in Collins leaving. It may have been the player pressing for the move which forced the club to sell him. Just because it hasn't appeared in the press or on social media doesn't mean that's the case. Just curious if the Manager in this case Michael O'Neill gets all the credit for sorting out the debacle and not Tony Scholes, why is it that Tony Scholes gets the blame for getting us in this position and not the various Manager's that pursued and signed the players in the first place?This exactly! Controversial I know, but Scholes and the hierarchy should be commended for backing their managers. Surely Scholes and the hierarchy are the ones to blame because they are the ones who hired the managers in the first place.
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Post by themistocles on Aug 6, 2021 9:18:39 GMT
You don't commend a hierarchy who make the same mistakes and not learn from them...
Stop giving managers complete authority on transfers and hire a Sporting Director.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2021 9:19:19 GMT
Dont see why MON gets any credit for the outgoings, he has been very privileged i feel in that regard, not many gaffers just get to bomb squad player after player after player, he will have had next to nothing to do with fixing them up with new clubs. Its not like he was the guy sitting there phoning round Europe to find big Kev a club for eg is it? Most managers would have to try & get some value from the assets in place & not just totally write them off.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 9:47:22 GMT
Dont see why MON gets any credit for the outgoings, he has been very privileged i feel in that regard, not many gaffers just get to bomb squad player after player after player, he will have had next to nothing to do with fixing them up with new clubs. Its not like he was the guy sitting there phoning round Europe to find big Kev a club for eg is it? Most managers would have to try & get some value from the assets in place & not just totally write them off. Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 6, 2021 9:51:37 GMT
So having given my Answer amy I be permitted a question in return by way of some relationship advice imagine Mrs Biscuit goes out over three years and buys for £10.000 Per pair Pairs of genuine original edition Jimmy choos , Valentino’s , , Gucci , and Armani shoes with matching Rolex , Chanel ad Patek watches and three years later having never worn them proudly announces having sold my appreciating vintage Ferrari to fund the transaction she’s has paid the girls next door £1000 per item to come and collect them as she’s no use for them and doesn’t like them and they look like fakes but she Believed the salesman at that time even though In some cases she had been conned by him before Do I say 1 well done darling how much would you like for your next shopping spree and don’t forget to ask the people you bought off before if they have anything 2 Get yourself a job down the 365 cleaning bogs and when you’ve paid off the debt the ferrari buy your own shoes amd watches 3 Fuck off up the Vale and I’ll get someone who can count understands value and doesn’t think they understand things they clearly don’t Thank you in advance for your kid advice BB Benji, in this scenario you have clearly assumed to role of CEO and turned a blind eye to all of Mrs Biscuits previous shenanigans, so you too must shoulder some of that responsibility and help the good lady clear up the mess. Indeed, if you align this with what has happened at Stoke, you will already have divorced her, and re-married twice more at least What do they say about repeating the same mistakes time after time...something that has often been levelled at Scholes. This window has seen the club grasp the nettle and do something positive about the mess...not before time. I don't know who the prime mover is in all of this, it may be peter, Jon or the CEO, I'm just glad that someone has done it. Despite Lakeland feeling. Unable to help , I can assure you i assume None of the responsibility.after a root and branch review of what went wrong i reached the conclusion there was nothing wrong with the process indeed I should be better rewarded for governing it , . I did though sack all the people underneath me who may have been influenced her and replaced them with all sorts of misfits and mates of mates etc , surprisingly enough she was still spending but i too am grateful that the latest recruit appears to be trying to resolve the situation Looking forward to a brave new world tomorrow.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2021 9:53:08 GMT
Dont see why MON gets any credit for the outgoings, he has been very privileged i feel in that regard, not many gaffers just get to bomb squad player after player after player, he will have had next to nothing to do with fixing them up with new clubs. Its not like he was the guy sitting there phoning round Europe to find big Kev a club for eg is it? Most managers would have to try & get some value from the assets in place & not just totally write them off. Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing? In the case of Wimmer & Bauer yes, in the main though anyone he hasnt fancied he has just removed from the training group, like Ince, McClean & Vokes this summer?
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Post by neddy on Aug 6, 2021 9:53:11 GMT
I think the departures are much more down to the fact most had only 1 year left leaving an ability to do deals to get them out. I’m not sure we’ve been any better just more a timing thing.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 6, 2021 9:53:49 GMT
Dont see why MON gets any credit for the outgoings, he has been very privileged i feel in that regard, not many gaffers just get to bomb squad player after player after player, he will have had next to nothing to do with fixing them up with new clubs. Its not like he was the guy sitting there phoning round Europe to find big Kev a club for eg is it? Most managers would have to try & get some value from the assets in place & not just totally write them off. Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing? To be honest the passage of time has probably played a major role. As the years drift by the players realise they won’t have the easy money for ever and they ain’t getting any younger.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 9:54:17 GMT
Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing? In the case of Wimmer & Bauer yes, in the main though anyone he hasnt fancied he has just removed from the training group, like Ince, McClean & Vokes this summer? There's surely more to it than that, especially since McClean and Ince are still here despite that.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2021 10:05:12 GMT
In the case of Wimmer & Bauer yes, in the main though anyone he hasnt fancied he has just removed from the training group, like Ince, McClean & Vokes this summer? There's surely more to it than that, especially since McClean and Ince are still here despite that. There may well be but i am struggling to think of many managers that dont have to try & get some value out of pre-existing assets? I am attempting not to have a dig at the job MON is doing, but i do think that he does get some leeway in this regard thast you probably wouldnt get in most jobs? Certainly the actual moving on of said players i dont think has much to do with him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 10:40:44 GMT
There's surely more to it than that, especially since McClean and Ince are still here despite that. There may well be but i am struggling to think of many managers that dont have to try & get some value out of pre-existing assets? I am attempting not to have a dig at the job MON is doing, but i do think that he does get some leeway in this regard thast you probably wouldnt get in most jobs? Certainly the actual moving on of said players i dont think has much to do with him. 'Assets' is generous, surely? I just find it hard to buy that it's a lucky conincidence that's fallen into his lap that all these no marks we've been stuck with for years have serendipitously all come to the conclusion they'd actually be better off elsewhere at the same time. To me it makes more sense that this is us doing the necessary to give us the wiggle-room to do our rebuilding job that the manager has talked about.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2021 10:48:04 GMT
Dont see why MON gets any credit for the outgoings, he has been very privileged i feel in that regard, not many gaffers just get to bomb squad player after player after player, he will have had next to nothing to do with fixing them up with new clubs. Its not like he was the guy sitting there phoning round Europe to find big Kev a club for eg is it? Most managers would have to try & get some value from the assets in place & not just totally write them off. Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing? Isn't it just a case of they're in their final year so we don't take the FFP loss on them? Afobe who has 2 years is still around. Etebo the same.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 11:20:17 GMT
Equally though, a number of these players have been in the bomb squad for years under different managers and yet he's the one who's managed to shift them, so presumably he's done something that his predecessors weren't doing? Isn't it just a case of they're in their final year so we don't take the FFP loss on them? Afobe who has 2 years is still around. Etebo the same. Woods and Bauer had longer left than that I think though, and we've still got Afobe and Etebo back out the door on loan. Even with them being in their final year, there was no guarantee we'd be able to shift the likes of Vokes, Wimmer etc ahead of schedule. All the talk was that we were hamstrung until next summer.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2021 11:20:26 GMT
There may well be but i am struggling to think of many managers that dont have to try & get some value out of pre-existing assets? I am attempting not to have a dig at the job MON is doing, but i do think that he does get some leeway in this regard thast you probably wouldnt get in most jobs? Certainly the actual moving on of said players i dont think has much to do with him. 'Assets' is generous, surely? I just find it hard to buy that it's a lucky conincidence that's fallen into his lap that all these no marks we've been stuck with for years have serendipitously all come to the conclusion they'd actually be better off elsewhere at the same time. To me it makes more sense that this is us doing the necessary to give us the wiggle-room to do our rebuilding job that the manager has talked about. The club invested in them so yes they are assets, but i see what your saying with some, others did have previous for performing at this level though? Just a lot smaller hit on most of them this summer i think?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 11:22:20 GMT
'Assets' is generous, surely? I just find it hard to buy that it's a lucky conincidence that's fallen into his lap that all these no marks we've been stuck with for years have serendipitously all come to the conclusion they'd actually be better off elsewhere at the same time. To me it makes more sense that this is us doing the necessary to give us the wiggle-room to do our rebuilding job that the manager has talked about. Just a lot smaller hit on most of them this summer i think? But again, they've still got to be shifted. The mood at the start of the window was that we were stuck with them for another year and that that's when the rebuild could begin. We've been able to start earlier.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 6, 2021 11:24:09 GMT
Just a lot smaller hit on most of them this summer i think? But again, they've still got to be shifted. The mood at the start of the window was that we were stuck with them for another year and that that's when the rebuild could begin. We've been able to start earlier. Jeez - that profile pic is terrifying, I'd forgotten how "unusual" JVD actually looked It's like somebody put Quentin Tarantino through a woodchipper
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 6, 2021 11:24:23 GMT
Isn't it just a case of they're in their final year so we don't take the FFP loss on them? Afobe who has 2 years is still around. Etebo the same. Woods and Bauer had longer left than that I think though, and we've still got Afobe and Etebo back out the door on loan. Even with them being in their final year, there was no guarantee we'd be able to shift the likes of Vokes, Wimmer etc ahead of schedule. All the talk was that we were hamstrung until next summer. Woods had a year left and I think Bauer impressed his loan club didn't he, so that always helps. Wimmer took a massive hit on his but had a year left so we could do that. I think it's the main reason from what people who seem to understand how it works have said on here.
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Post by Pirate on Aug 6, 2021 11:29:08 GMT
Just a lot smaller hit on most of them this summer i think? But again, they've still got to be shifted. The mood at the start of the window was that we were stuck with them for another year and that that's when the rebuild could begin. We've been able to start earlier. I dont argue the club have done well to move them on, only it has little or less to do with MON
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 6, 2021 11:33:41 GMT
Woods and Bauer had longer left than that I think though, and we've still got Afobe and Etebo back out the door on loan. Even with them being in their final year, there was no guarantee we'd be able to shift the likes of Vokes, Wimmer etc ahead of schedule. All the talk was that we were hamstrung until next summer. Woods had a year left and I think Bauer impressed his loan club didn't he, so that always helps. Wimmer took a massive hit on his but had a year left so we could do that. I think it's the main reason from what people who seem to understand how it works have said on here. Nevertheless, few of us expected us to be able to shift so many this window - it's still quite an undertaking.
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