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Post by hardcastle on May 31, 2021 19:51:57 GMT
It gets people talking - which, l guess, is good. We're a very apolitical society, encouraged by tittle-tattle magazines and glossy mags showing the lifestyle of the famous. It's not very healthy, is it. It's good to question stuff.
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Post by christhepotter on May 31, 2021 19:52:32 GMT
Taking the knee wants fucking right off , just a Marxist racist movement , worse than the ones they protest against
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Post by thevoid on May 31, 2021 19:53:06 GMT
Imagine getting pissy knickers about a bunch of blokes taking a knee. BOOOOOOOOO Imagine getting pissy knickers about a bunch of blokes just going onto a pitch, shaking hands, getting on with a match and avoiding the whole knee thing, which did the job for the preceding 160 years? I won't do the Boo thing as I'm 44 and aren't pissed on Speckled Hen. Hope you had a nice BBQ though.
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Post by christhepotter on May 31, 2021 19:53:21 GMT
BLM are political / quasi-political movement. Some of the booing maybe due to racial issues. Some of the booing maybe due to the fact the football field is not the place to advance political ideology. Some of the booing maybe due to the fact it just pisses people off. Some of the booing maybe due to the fact that it's ran its course. Maybe we should take the knee in the oatcake for better grammar. Grammar is over rated
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Post by woodstein on May 31, 2021 19:54:27 GMT
What we really need to end racism is more mixed race families in TV adverts Or a black person playing the part of Anne Boleyn!
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2021 19:54:29 GMT
Taking the knee wants fucking right off , just a Marxist racist movement , worse than the ones they protest against I remember they said a similar thing about those involved in the civil rights movement in America half a century ago.....
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Post by thevoid on May 31, 2021 20:00:15 GMT
Taking the knee wants fucking right off , just a Marxist racist movement , worse than the ones they protest against I remember they said a similar thing about those involved in the civil rights movement in America half a century ago..... Why do we have to follow the Yanks at everything? How many NFL players took the knee when Stephen Lawrence was murdered?
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Post by thestatusquo on May 31, 2021 20:05:41 GMT
What we really need to end racism is more mixed race families in TV adverts Or a black person playing the part of Anne Boleyn! And there was me thinking I’d got a problem with the brightness 😀
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2021 20:10:34 GMT
I remember they said a similar thing about those involved in the civil rights movement in America half a century ago..... Why do we have to follow the Yanks at everything? How many NFL players took the knee when Stephen Lawrence was murdered? I’m simply saying that the term “Marxists” has been thrown around before usually by people who don’t even understand what Marxism is. And I get it’s an easy stick to beat people with particularly as a couple of the original founders identified their politics as such, but it’s also a movement with many supporters merely wanting a society free from racism against black people. It’s like saying all Brexiteers are racist, it’s a gross generalisation. It’s also a convenient narrative for those for which the status quo remaining is in their best interests. And I don’t disagree re: Stephen Lawrence, I would have applauded any professional sports person who took the knee against the racism within the Metropolitan Police Force at the time.....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2021 20:13:27 GMT
If they are still performing this nonsense come August, I suspect the booing will get a lot more coverage from the militant wokie mob at the BBC and Sky. It will be hard to ignore it.
Divisive identity politics and virtue signalling has no place in sport.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 20:22:35 GMT
People who don't like freedom of expression maybe? Or perhaps those booing think the footballers are too thick to know what they're kneeling for? how many footballers are kneeling because they think they are making a difference and how many are doing it because its just something they do now before kick off?
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Post by Boothen on May 31, 2021 20:23:11 GMT
What we really need to end racism is more mixed race families in TV adverts Or a black person playing the part of Anne Boleyn! I'm eagerly awaiting the remake of Zulu with Bendydick Cuminhersnatch playing King Cetshwayo.
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Post by partickpotter on May 31, 2021 20:46:23 GMT
Taking the Knee needs to go for many reasons but two main ones... It is divisive and racism is a subject the entire football community in this country should be behind (excepting the very rare bam). It has diverted attention away from the organisation that predates BLM and is the vehicle for addressing racism in football in this country... Kick it Out. Did you know Kick it Out published a new three year plan in February? Must admit I didn’t. It’s high time football redoubled it’s effort and focus on that approach.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 21:13:34 GMT
People who don't like freedom of expression maybe? Or perhaps those booing think the footballers are too thick to know what they're kneeling for? how many footballers are kneeling because they think they are making a difference and how many are doing it because its just something they do now before kick off? Or will be singled out if they don't?
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Post by scfc1863 on May 31, 2021 21:19:26 GMT
Taking the Knee needs to go for many reasons but two main ones... It is divisive and racism is a subject the entire football community in this country should be behind (excepting the very rare bam). It has diverted attention away from the organisation that predates BLM and is the vehicle for addressing racism in football in this country... Kick it Out. Did you know Kick it Out published a new three year plan in February? Must admit I didn’t. It’s high time football redoubled it’s effort and focus on that approach. Some good points here, and I also was unaware of the Kick it Out three year plan. Perhaps Taking the Knee should be relaxed and a much more robust approach taken by the Kick it Out campaign. (An excerpt from the strategy) 'Sanjay Bhandari, Kick It Out Chair, says: “There is much to be done, but we face the future excited about what we can achieve together with our partners in football. The movements created after the death of George Floyd have created reflection and generated initial momentum for a wave of change across many industries, including football. Our job is to build on that momentum and help create sustainable change over the coming years.' Time will tell but I'm not holding my breath, Kick it Out was established in 1993, four years before Marcus Rashford was born but sadly, only last week, he received a torrent of racist abuse .
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Post by salopstick on May 31, 2021 21:28:38 GMT
Thankfully Momo and Crappy don’t appear to have surfaced yet so perhaps we can have a decent conversation about it. Personally I believe it’s clearly had no effect and is a token gesture made by multi millionaires as an easy way to say they stand up to racism. It needs to stop and real action needs to be taken if the authorities and indeed professional footballers are serious about stopping this abhorrent behaviour. What would real action look like? What can football actually do? Isn't anything they do going to look like tokenism? What I find disturbing is lots of people appear to be far more upset by the taking the knee than actual racism. The football authorities inc UEFA never take strong action against racism. So a few gestures will do nothing. Football fans just want to watch a game of football. Taking the knee is getting as tedious as asking people why they are clapping in the 24th minute then again in the 63rd. One time actions happening now at every game. Until uefa and the authorities start properly punishing teams for their racism on the pitch never mind what’s happening in the stands nothing will change in football.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2021 21:39:25 GMT
What would real action look like? What can football actually do? Isn't anything they do going to look like tokenism? What I find disturbing is lots of people appear to be far more upset by the taking the knee than actual racism. The football authorities inc UEFA never take strong action against racism. So a few gestures will do nothing. Football fans just want to watch a game of football. Taking the knee is getting as tedious as asking people why they are clapping in the 24th minute then again in the 63rd. One time actions happening now at every game. Until uefa and the authorities start properly punishing teams for their racism on the pitch never mind what’s happening in the stands nothing will change in football. [br When a 24 year old Stoke fan dies in a car crash and there’s a minutes applause do you simply ignore it with you finding it so tedious, or do you stand up and boo loudly?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on May 31, 2021 21:46:17 GMT
I'm going to put my neck on the chopping block here and say that most people think it's a load of absolute bollocks that has no place in football. Agree 100%. I watch sports because I enjoy it, keep political shit out of it.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 31, 2021 21:49:19 GMT
I'm going to put my neck on the chopping block here and say that most people think it's a load of absolute bollocks that has no place in football. You only have to see how many likes that post got to see that you were right 😊
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Post by salopstick on May 31, 2021 21:50:31 GMT
The football authorities inc UEFA never take strong action against racism. So a few gestures will do nothing. Football fans just want to watch a game of football. Taking the knee is getting as tedious as asking people why they are clapping in the 24th minute then again in the 63rd. One time actions happening now at every game. Until uefa and the authorities start properly punishing teams for their racism on the pitch never mind what’s happening in the stands nothing will change in football. [br When a 24 year old Stoke fan dies in a car crash and there’s a minutes applause do you simply ignore it with you finding it so tedious, or do you stand up and boo loudly? No half the time you dont realise it’s going on. Some are clapping because they know, some are clapping because others are, some do nothing and watch the game, some look round asking why are they clapping. I think you will find our club do a fucking brilliant job of remembering Stoke fans/players who pass away in the utterly outstanding and moving tribute around new year on the big screen. No disrespect to the people involved but the more it happens the more apathy you get and the more it loses its impact. Taking the knee has lost its impact. Now it’s just another pre match ritual. One the fans don’t want for some of the reasons people have mentioned After a hard week people just want to watch their football.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2021 21:52:28 GMT
[br When a 24 year old Stoke fan dies in a car crash and there’s a minutes applause do you simply ignore it with you finding it so tedious, or do you stand up and boo loudly? No half the time you dont realise it’s going on. Some are clapping because they know, some are clapping because others are, some do nothing and watch the game, some look round asking why are they clapping. No disrespect to the people involved but the more it happens the more apathy you get and the more it loses its impact. Taking the knee has lost its impact. Now it’s just another pre match ritual. One the fans don’t want for some of the reasons people have mentioned After a hard week people just want to watch their football. So you don’t boo. So those that don’t necessarily agree with players taking the knee could also not boo?
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Post by salopstick on May 31, 2021 21:56:19 GMT
No half the time you dont realise it’s going on. Some are clapping because they know, some are clapping because others are, some do nothing and watch the game, some look round asking why are they clapping. No disrespect to the people involved but the more it happens the more apathy you get and the more it loses its impact. Taking the knee has lost its impact. Now it’s just another pre match ritual. One the fans don’t want for some of the reasons people have mentioned After a hard week people just want to watch their football. So you don’t boo. So those that don’t necessarily agree with players taking the knee could also not boo? Players are already starting to stop as it’s lost his impact. If some booing gets rid of it then so be it. It’s a pointless exercise that is achieving nothing, undercuts kick it out and is politicising our game. It’s become as corporate as getting a coffee from Costa in a rainbow mug. Actions from authorities is what is needed and by in large UEFA and the FAs largely sit on their hands
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 31, 2021 21:58:25 GMT
No half the time you dont realise it’s going on. Some are clapping because they know, some are clapping because others are, some do nothing and watch the game, some look round asking why are they clapping. No disrespect to the people involved but the more it happens the more apathy you get and the more it loses its impact. Taking the knee has lost its impact. Now it’s just another pre match ritual. One the fans don’t want for some of the reasons people have mentioned After a hard week people just want to watch their football. So you don’t boo. So those that don’t necessarily agree with players taking the knee could also not boo? What are you going to do about it when people inevitably do? I'm ambivalent either way personally but believe people have the right to protest either way.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2021 22:00:23 GMT
So you don’t boo. So those that don’t necessarily agree with players taking the knee could also not boo? What are you going to do about it when people inevitably do? I'm ambivalent either way personally but believe people have the right to protest either way. I’m not going to do anything, I believe in freedom of speech/expression. I’m not the one getting offended by a 10 second gesture that I could quite easily look at my programme and ignore if it bothered me that much though........
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 31, 2021 22:05:25 GMT
Anyone know when Momo and Crappys bans expire? Bet they’re like a pair of coiled springs! Racist
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 31, 2021 22:05:54 GMT
Anyone know when Momo and Crappys bans expire? Bet they’re like a pair of coiled springs! Racist Right wing filth
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2021 22:06:26 GMT
I'm going to say Boo-urns
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Post by tuum on Jun 1, 2021 0:15:30 GMT
The football authorities inc UEFA never take strong action against racism. So a few gestures will do nothing. Football fans just want to watch a game of football. Taking the knee is getting as tedious as asking people why they are clapping in the 24th minute then again in the 63rd. One time actions happening now at every game. Until uefa and the authorities start properly punishing teams for their racism on the pitch never mind what’s happening in the stands nothing will change in football. [br When a 24 year old Stoke fan dies in a car crash and there’s a minutes applause do you simply ignore it with you finding it so tedious, or do you stand up and boo loudly? I presume the 24yr old's friends and family are not promoting any external agendas so the individual fan sees only a family trying to remember their child in some way that has meaning to them. To boo the players taking the knee would be to boo the family and not some political organisation. Most people have a little more empathy with the family (however misguided they may think the family's action is). The other difference is that in the family's case it is a fan initiative rather than a player's initiative or that of an 'organisation'. I think there is a difference between the two scenarios and can understand why some people would want to protest in their own small way re. the BLM if they see taking the knee as some sort of political expression - others may be against the act of taking the knee for whatever reason but, like you say, just ignore it.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 1, 2021 0:42:54 GMT
So you don’t boo. So those that don’t necessarily agree with players taking the knee could also not boo? What are you going to do about it when people inevitably do? I'm ambivalent either way personally but believe people have the right to protest either way.
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Post by 4372 on Jun 1, 2021 0:44:42 GMT
Is it possible to be ambivalent either way?
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