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Post by citynickscfc on May 21, 2021 17:35:04 GMT
If by soft, you mean started to open it's eyes to discrimination and injustices on a global scale (partially due to globalization), I agree. "Something like 2 billion and rising people in the world survive on 1-2$ per day income,or less... How much indifference can the world take before something breaks?". The world most certainly hasn't gone soft. If anything, it's been closing its eyes to things line social injustices for far too long. I mean, would you condone your own child walking around the street abusing others? Or in the other side, walking around responding to any form of provokation (perceived or real) with physical violence? Also smacking your own child? The world has changed, not everyone is ready for change nor accepts it, and the change is constant. Things like smacking your children, we know better to continue the violent spiral, there are much better ways of dealing with these things. Perhaps that is exactly what happened to Mcburnie as a child...who knows. Crime statistics including knife crime are troubling though aren’t they? All crime is troubling. There is usually a reason why people commit crimes, which is the interesting part (rather than the crime committed).
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Post by a on May 21, 2021 18:41:17 GMT
Crime statistics including knife crime are troubling though aren’t they? All crime is troubling. There is usually a reason why people commit crimes, which is the interesting part (rather than the crime committed). It’s clearly a socio-economic issue ultimately but the fact that crime is increasing may be linked to the way criminals are dealt with in some way?
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Post by citynickscfc on May 21, 2021 21:40:52 GMT
All crime is troubling. There is usually a reason why people commit crimes, which is the interesting part (rather than the crime committed). It’s clearly a socio-economic issue ultimately but the fact that crime is increasing may be linked to the way criminals are dealt with in some way? Yes. Most certainly. But the origin and reasoning for crime is the most distinctive preventative measure of likelihood of crime. You don't see many millionaires doing petty crime. I don't think being harsher on petty crime prevents crime. The main reason in the UK for rise in crime is generally socio-economic disparity and rise in unemployment, mental disorders and addictions (which also lead to socio-economic and educational disparity... not the way in which the police act. People need a reason to live. They need things to do, and they need to understand they are valued. I think the UK has a long way to go towards achieving such, and I'm not sure if really wishes for equality anyhow. See the education system and measures which punish poor performance and social class (again, something that needs rectifying). I don't have the answers, but beating people up isn't the answer.
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 21, 2021 22:09:09 GMT
It’s clearly a socio-economic issue ultimately but the fact that crime is increasing may be linked to the way criminals are dealt with in some way? Yes. Most certainly. But the origin and reasoning for crime is the most distinctive preventative measure of likelihood of crime. You don't see many millionaires doing petty crime. I don't think being harsher on petty crime prevents crime. The main reason in the UK for rise in crime is generally socio-economic disparity and rise in unemployment, mental disorders and addictions (which also lead to socio-economic and educational disparity... not the way in which the police act. People need a reason to live. They need things to do, and they need to understand they are valued. I think the UK has a long way to go towards achieving such, and I'm not sure if really wishes for equality anyhow. See the education system and measures which punish poor performance and social class (again, something that needs rectifying). I don't have the answers, but beating people up isn't the answer. Verbally abusing people in public is a crime isn’t it? That’s not the answer to the question either, maybe we need to understand why people do that as well? Maybe it’ll help with less people being beat up - in fact I can think of 1 instance where it may well have seen a good outcome (but we still don’t have the full picture of course)...
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 12, 2021 11:26:23 GMT
Stop twisting it mick to try and take this on another route that’s out of fucking order Next time you see the news with anti social kids or whoever running amok and terrorising the life out of people and ruining peoples lives don’t shake your head at it as you seem to think it’s ok as they are just kids They are vermin ....I’ll leave it at that I haven't said anything like that Wez, that's you literally just lying there to make a point. I simply pointed out that a child saying nasty things does NOT automatically mean they are "scum terrorising neighbourhoods" when you have somehow decided that they are based on...well, nothing other than a few nasty words. That's a hell of a leap to make, as i'm pretty sure EVERY child (including me and you when we were kids) have said nasty things to adults at times, but that doesn't mean they all "terrorise" anyone in any way. Are you genuinely saying if anyone of any age or gender from now on says something nasty to you, you can therefore assume they're "terrorising neighbourhoods" and you can just beat them up? The main thing i've asked (and is in NO WAY out of order..in fact i'm struggling to see what you think was out of order, rather than just points that show your hypocrisy that you can't counter) is why you defend footballers for rape/assault charges until all facts are known so vehemently, yet apparently condone beating up children based on virtually no facts at all? For some reason, you don't seem to want to answer though. Genuinely, can you not see the absolutely ridiculous hypocrisy here on your part? EDIT: Don't get me wrong Wez, if it comes out that this lad (whatever age he turns out to be) did pull a knife on him, put him in genuine fear, physically assaulted him then fair enough, go at it Oli. If it's simply a case of a teenage lad saying a few nasty words then that in no way, shape or form justifies assaulting a child. I'm sorry, it just doesn't. But that's the point really, as YOU always say, why dont we actually wait until all the facts come out BEFORE judging people (and that doesn't just mean the footballers Wez, it means the non-famous people involved as well)
You’ve backed yourself into a corner there
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 12, 2021 11:28:05 GMT
Standing up to the utter scum who are terrorising neighbourhoods and abusing somebody who’s just going about their business with his girlfriend and offending nobody? You defending that piece of vermin with the phone? Wez, do you actually know the full facts of what happened here, or are you basing it on your presumption of what you believed must have happened? Only asking due to the fact that virtually EVERY time there's a thread slagging off a footballer for things that have been alleged, you are ALWAYS the first to tell people they have no right to be making judgments just based on bits they've seen/heard in the media and how people should know the full facts BEFORE casting judgment. Must admit, very disappointed that you're being so hypocritical on this matter, especially to see you condoning anyone assaulting a child. Really disappointing to be honest. By the way, even if they were abusing him verbally, does that automatically equate to them being "utter scum terrorising neighbourhoods"? I don't think you have any proof whatsoever of that mate, that's a huge leap you've somehow seen as an automatic conclusion. Really worrying. As you usually say about other people on threads "Nice to see the Oatcake jury out in full force before they know the full facts". Must admit, never thought i'd be directing that at you.
It’s called opinions , everybody’s is different and you will just have to live with it
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Post by zerps on Jun 12, 2021 11:28:40 GMT
Offended first facts later
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2021 11:47:46 GMT
I believe the courts could issue him with a valuable lesson along with the premises set by social media bans and other forms of legal punishment beyond returning threats and violence. I don't believe anyone learns any valuable lessons from violent retaliation, non what so ever. An early 1900's nursery rhyme is also irrelevant in today's postmodern society. Criminal acts can be based upon psychological damage and I feel the aggression and retaliation to this incident has turned the victim into the perpetrator. He could have called the police, laughed at the guy and drove off in his 200k sports car with a wheel spin, or simply told the lad to do some solid self reflecting. The 'child' may have learnt from these responses. Either way the people condoning this are once again misdirected in their assertion of why such things occur. It's systematic and endemic in the UK. Again, it begins with education. Be it parental, institutional, or social. The systems have failed these individuals and are continuing to do so, so simply put... Expect more of the same. Be it an adult or a child, there are much better, more constructive ways of dealing with this situation. Just like locking criminals up does nothing without attempted rehabilitation, drug addicts too, or sending the naughty child out of the classroom. These archaic methods do absolutely no good and should be seriously reconsidered on a societal level. I genuinely can't believe people are condoning violence in 2021, especially against children (minors, or any age individual). Why would it be different if he was beating up an elderly? It wouldn't. Ok, so what does McBurnie get out of your solution? How much abuse does he get regularly? Is this a common occurrence for him and is he, as a human, expected to just tolerate it and pass a note to the police saying “they’re bothering me again but it’s ok I’ve smiled, sucked it up and drove away in my fancy car that I can afford because I just happen to be a half decent footballer.”? There’s a lot of what ifs involved and those condemning McBurnies actions should also view it from his perspective - how much grief does he get regularly? Just to reiterate - it’s a 21 year old lad who’s dishing the abuse out and not expecting any consequences, not kids but an adult. I’m not condoning violence I just think there’s a bit of grey area with this one & we still haven’t got the full picture because we don’t see what happens in the middle (if that other video is the start). Indeed Apparently jack grealish agrees with you ... Aston Villa captain Jack Grealish has spoken out about the video by defending McBurnie on Twitter and criticising the alleged victim for provoking the former Swansea star. Grealish wrote: “I just don’t get why some people do this nowadays and why they thinks it’s okay to just shout abuse at footballers whilst there out with family and friends. Footballers are human as well.”
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