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Post by Northy on Apr 7, 2021 8:08:25 GMT
The story was on the BBC north West News last night, they only served 2 1/2 years of their sentences, that in itself is pathetic especially as they have been free since, they even appealed their deportation order which was rejected 3 or 4 years ago, no doubt getting taxpayers aid money for that, the whole system is fookin joke.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 8:30:54 GMT
The story was on the BBC north West News last night, they only served 2 1/2 years of their sentences, that in itself is pathetic especially as they have been free since, they even appealed their deportation order which was rejected 3 or 4 years ago, no doubt getting taxpayers aid money for that, the whole system is fookin joke. Two and a half years for raping kids and destroying their lives, it's fcuking disgraceful a stain on our country get these perverts off our streets.
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Post by musik on Apr 7, 2021 8:39:09 GMT
Nine years after the crimes were committed they are now back walking the streets of Rochdale , after been stripped of U.K. Citizenship they still have not been deported back to their native Pakistan , the Government needs to come clean why this has not happened Maybe they've done a study visit to Sweden, got impressed and applied it as a role model when coming back. 😠
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Post by flea79 on Apr 7, 2021 8:41:27 GMT
The story was on the BBC north West News last night, they only served 2 1/2 years of their sentences, that in itself is pathetic especially as they have been free since, they even appealed their deportation order which was rejected 3 or 4 years ago, no doubt getting taxpayers aid money for that, the whole system is fookin joke. Two and a half years for raping kids and destroying their lives, it's fcuking disgraceful a stain on our country get these perverts off our streets. why should we be surprised the police and cps ignored the poor girls in the first place as they were the wrong type of victim and they didnt want to appear to be racist by targeting criminals who were Asian men....
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Post by musik on Apr 7, 2021 8:51:39 GMT
Why isn't rape considered a racist crime of the worst kind?
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 8:53:20 GMT
Two and a half years for raping kids and destroying their lives, it's fcuking disgraceful a stain on our country get these perverts off our streets. why should we be surprised the police and cps ignored the poor girls in the first place as they were the wrong type of victim and they didnt want to appear to be racist by targeting criminals who were Asian men.... It's appears to be the way it is going, however we must be more tolerant FFS what an absolute joke the place is.
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Post by foster on Apr 7, 2021 8:54:00 GMT
A few months back we had the same debate on here and I recall that the non white, BAME (or whatever you want to call all the non white people) was over represented. Religion is irrelevant, but even considering the missing data percentages as all white (which isn't the case), the other ethnic groups were still over represented. The doctrines of religion are completely “irrelevant” here? I would say it's more culture than specifically religion related. The gang members could quite as easily been of Indian origin as they have massive rape issues in that country. In any case, my reply was regarding a simple white to non-white comparison, in which religion was irrelevant.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 8:58:10 GMT
Why isn't rape considered a racist crime of the worst kind? Who knows it blatantly is in this and other cases in the UK, if these were white gangs grooming and raping bame children you can bet your house on it would be a racist crime, our police and judicial system has allowed itself to become politicised to the detriment of the very people they are there to protect.
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Post by foster on Apr 7, 2021 8:58:36 GMT
Why isn't rape considered a racist crime of the worst kind? Because they're not the same thing, nor are they necessarily (in most cases) related.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 9:00:35 GMT
The doctrines of religion are completely “irrelevant” here? I would say it's more culture than specifically religion related. The gang members could quite as easily been of Indian origin as they have massive rape issues in that country. In any case, my reply was regarding a simple white to non-white comparison, in which religion was irrelevant. It could be yet it is not why is that do you think ? seems very few of these gang members are Indian origin the majority are Muslim Pakistani.
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Post by foster on Apr 7, 2021 9:02:45 GMT
I would say it's more culture than specifically religion related. The gang members could quite as easily been of Indian origin as they have massive rape issues in that country. In any case, my reply was regarding a simple white to non-white comparison, in which religion was irrelevant. It could be yet it is not why is that do you think ? seems very few of these gang members are Indian origin the majority are Muslim Pakistani. Pakistani culture then.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 7, 2021 9:10:44 GMT
Two and a half years for raping kids and destroying their lives, it's fcuking disgraceful a stain on our country get these perverts off our streets. why should we be surprised the police and cps ignored the poor girls in the first place as they were the wrong type of victim and they didnt want to appear to be racist by targeting criminals who were Asian men.... Careful, the usual suspects will be along to tell you just how good the police are and spam the forum full of pro-policing threads. Mind you, why are you surprised when some of the worst sexual predators are IN THE POLICE!
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Post by flea79 on Apr 7, 2021 9:32:47 GMT
The doctrines of religion are completely “irrelevant” here? I would say it's more culture than specifically religion related. The gang members could quite as easily been of Indian origin as they have massive rape issues in that country. In any case, my reply was regarding a simple white to non-white comparison, in which religion was irrelevant. bang on its culture driven and sod all to do with religion, all religions have some questionable teachings and practices noted in texts they quote pretty sure that most "spur of the moment" sexual assaults are carried out by lone white men but in terms of en masse grooming and exploitation of children is carried out by groups of Asian men, its a cultural defect and not all are guilty at all but it is a known phenomenon
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 7, 2021 10:20:16 GMT
why should we be surprised the police and cps ignored the poor girls in the first place as they were the wrong type of victim and they didnt want to appear to be racist by targeting criminals who were Asian men.... Careful, the usual suspects will be along to tell you just how good the police are and spam the forum full of pro-policing threads. Mind you, why are you surprised when some of the worst sexual predators are IN THE POLICE!I don't think any major political issue is simple and straightforward in practice, Metal Perhaps so in theory. Whether it is Islamaphobia, the legalisation of cannabis, showing of cartoons in school , anti - semitism. To try to label the police as a generalisation is, in my opinion, on the same level as labelling, say all " Muslims" or all " Jews" Maggie Oliver was a great front line Police officer, probably respected by the victims more than anyone in Rochdale and has done more than most to get something towards " justice " for the victims.....but the whole judicial system, care system, media, politicians have let the victims down...... Very often the front line Police, those actually doing the job, are let down by their superiors, who have been politically influenced and are bound by political correctness. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9442573/MAGGIE-OLIVER-Rochdale-sex-groomer-not-deported.html
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Post by metalhead on Apr 7, 2021 11:27:39 GMT
Careful, the usual suspects will be along to tell you just how good the police are and spam the forum full of pro-policing threads. Mind you, why are you surprised when some of the worst sexual predators are IN THE POLICE!I don't think any major political issue is simple and straightforward in practice, Metal Perhaps so in theory. Whether it is Islamaphobia, the legalisation of cannabis, showing of cartoons in school , anti - semitism. To try to label the police as a generalisation is, in my opinion, on the same level as labelling, say all " Muslims" or all " Jews" Maggie Oliver was a great front line Police ofgicer, probably respected by the victims more than anyone in Rochdale and has done more than most to get something towards " justice " for the victims.....but the whole judicial system, care system, media, politicians have let the victims down...... Very often the front line Police, those actually doing the job, are let down by their superiors, who have been politically influenced and are bound by political correctness. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9442573/MAGGIE-OLIVER-Rochdale-sex-groomer-not-deported.htmlDidn't she quit because of the bullshit around being in the police force?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 7, 2021 11:50:22 GMT
I would say it's more culture than specifically religion related. The gang members could quite as easily been of Indian origin as they have massive rape issues in that country. In any case, my reply was regarding a simple white to non-white comparison, in which religion was irrelevant. bang on its culture driven and sod all to do with religion, all religions have some questionable teachings and practices noted in texts they quote pretty sure that most "spur of the moment" sexual assaults are carried out by lone white men but in terms of en masse grooming and exploitation of children is carried out by groups of Asian men, its a cultural defect and not all are guilty at all but it is a known phenomenon What about the mass exploitation of children carried out by Catholic and Church of England clergymen, the systemic abuse of children allowed by nuns in convent schools and care homes? Let's not make out this is a solely a problem for "groups of Asians", the problem is certainly disproportionate in the Pakistani community as I've said previously but there are another anomalies elsewhere.....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 7, 2021 11:53:36 GMT
I don't think any major political issue is simple and straightforward in practice, Metal Perhaps so in theory. Whether it is Islamaphobia, the legalisation of cannabis, showing of cartoons in school , anti - semitism. To try to label the police as a generalisation is, in my opinion, on the same level as labelling, say all " Muslims" or all " Jews" Maggie Oliver was a great front line Police ofgicer, probably respected by the victims more than anyone in Rochdale and has done more than most to get something towards " justice " for the victims.....but the whole judicial system, care system, media, politicians have let the victims down...... Very often the front line Police, those actually doing the job, are let down by their superiors, who have been politically influenced and are bound by political correctness. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9442573/MAGGIE-OLIVER-Rochdale-sex-groomer-not-deported.htmlDidn't she quit because of the bullshit around being in the police force? In a sense. She quit because she felt let down by her superiors and then became a whistle-blower. She was a Police officer though.
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Post by felonious on Apr 7, 2021 11:54:11 GMT
I don't think any major political issue is simple and straightforward in practice, Metal Perhaps so in theory. Whether it is Islamaphobia, the legalisation of cannabis, showing of cartoons in school , anti - semitism. To try to label the police as a generalisation is, in my opinion, on the same level as labelling, say all " Muslims" or all " Jews" Maggie Oliver was a great front line Police ofgicer, probably respected by the victims more than anyone in Rochdale and has done more than most to get something towards " justice " for the victims.....but the whole judicial system, care system, media, politicians have let the victims down...... Very often the front line Police, those actually doing the job, are let down by their superiors, who have been politically influenced and are bound by political correctness. www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9442573/MAGGIE-OLIVER-Rochdale-sex-groomer-not-deported.htmlDidn't she quit because of the bullshit around being in the police force? You can't lay this one on the door of the police only as piss poor as they were for the multitude of victims in this case. Try reading what BJR has written about the various authorities who let the victims down.
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Post by flea79 on Apr 7, 2021 12:07:45 GMT
bang on its culture driven and sod all to do with religion, all religions have some questionable teachings and practices noted in texts they quote pretty sure that most "spur of the moment" sexual assaults are carried out by lone white men but in terms of en masse grooming and exploitation of children is carried out by groups of Asian men, its a cultural defect and not all are guilty at all but it is a known phenomenon What about the mass exploitation of children carried out by Catholic and Church of England clergymen, the systemic abuse of children allowed by nuns in convent schools and care homes? Let's not make out this is a solely a problem for "groups of Asians", the problem is certainly disproportionate in the Pakistani community as I've said previously but there are another anomalies elsewhere..... your correct, but i might be wrong in thinking that the issue of churches is now a more historic issue which we are only seeing come to light now as is abuse of children in football too, not too say it isnt still happening as im sure it is but dbs and more stringent safeguarding measures are in place that are reducing this risk
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Post by thevoid on Apr 7, 2021 12:12:21 GMT
why should we be surprised the police and cps ignored the poor girls in the first place as they were the wrong type of victim and they didnt want to appear to be racist by targeting criminals who were Asian men.... Careful, the usual suspects will be along to tell you just how good the police are and spam the forum full of pro-policing threads. Mind you, why are you surprised when some of the worst sexual predators are IN THE POLICE!Did you get an awkward cavity search once or something?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 7, 2021 12:19:20 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 7, 2021 13:00:44 GMT
To be honest I think that report could be used by both sides to back there view point Those that think it’s not a predominantly British Asian problem can use the figures in the report Those that think it is can simply say the report is flawed as many crimes were recorded without the ethnic background being taken I couldn’t give a flying fuck wether a person is pink white black purple or green As my mum would say a wrong un is a wrong un To me the enquiry should more be about how these vulnerable girls were left in the position they were by people who were allegedly responsible for there care
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 14:36:58 GMT
To be honest I think that report could be used by both sides to back there view point Those that think it’s not a predominantly British Asian problem can use the figures in the report Those that think it is can simply say the report is flawed as many crimes were recorded without the ethnic background being taken I couldn’t give a flying fuck wether a person is pink white black purple or green As my mum would say a wrong un is a wrong un To me the enquiry should more be about how these vulnerable girls were left in the position they were by people who were allegedly responsible for there care The thread is specifically about the Rochdale grooming gang some posters are deliberately trying to deflect the debate away from that, it is classic whataboutery again mainly from left wing posters who can not seem at accept there is a serious issue within the Pakistani community regarding systematic grooming and child rape, they also fail to mention the racist element to these vile crimes strange that, these paedophiles need getting off our streets deport the one's that we can as soon as possible. Open an enquiry as you say identify all those who let these children down arrest them charge them and throw the book at them, stop their pensions and sack them if found guilty including any Police, Councillors etc.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 7, 2021 15:11:14 GMT
To be honest I think that report could be used by both sides to back there view point Those that think it’s not a predominantly British Asian problem can use the figures in the report Those that think it is can simply say the report is flawed as many crimes were recorded without the ethnic background being taken I couldn’t give a flying fuck wether a person is pink white black purple or green As my mum would say a wrong un is a wrong un To me the enquiry should more be about how these vulnerable girls were left in the position they were by people who were allegedly responsible for there care The thread is specifically about the Rochdale grooming gang some posters are deliberately trying to deflect the debate away from that, it is classic whataboutery again mainly from left wing posters who can not seem at accept there is a serious issue within the Pakistani community regarding systematic grooming and child rape, they also fail to mention the racist element to these vile crimes strange that, these paedophiles need getting off our streets deport the one's that we can as soon as possible. Open an enquiry as you say identify all those who let these children down arrest them charge them and throw the book at them, stop their pensions and sack them if found guilty including any Police, Councillors etc.
Not sure I really follow. Are you saying that that Home Office report shouldn't be posted on this thread because it's not purely specific to the Rochdale case? If so, that's fine. I think we'd all agree that anyone of any background should be held to account for any child abuse criminality. I think it's also fine to point out the Rochdale lot were of Pakistani (presumably muslim) background and that the HO found as recently as Dec 2020 that it's not a 'muslim problem', so the report is relevant.
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 7, 2021 16:09:02 GMT
The thread is specifically about the Rochdale grooming gang some posters are deliberately trying to deflect the debate away from that, it is classic whataboutery again mainly from left wing posters who can not seem at accept there is a serious issue within the Pakistani community regarding systematic grooming and child rape, they also fail to mention the racist element to these vile crimes strange that, these paedophiles need getting off our streets deport the one's that we can as soon as possible. Open an enquiry as you say identify all those who let these children down arrest them charge them and throw the book at them, stop their pensions and sack them if found guilty including any Police, Councillors etc.
Not sure I really follow. Are you saying that that Home Office report shouldn't be posted on this thread because it's not purely specific to the Rochdale case? If so, that's fine. I think we'd all agree that anyone of any background should be held to account for any child abuse criminality. I think it's also fine to point out the Rochdale lot were of Pakistani (presumably muslim) background and that the HO found as recently as Dec 2020 that it's not a 'muslim problem', so the report is relevant. You can dress it up how you like , this thread is about the Peado Rochdale gang and why they havnt been deported, if you want to talk about other Peado gangs of different nationality then start a new thread and il give my opinion
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 16:44:53 GMT
Not sure I really follow. Are you saying that that Home Office report shouldn't be posted on this thread because it's not purely specific to the Rochdale case? If so, that's fine. I think we'd all agree that anyone of any background should be held to account for any child abuse criminality. I think it's also fine to point out the Rochdale lot were of Pakistani (presumably muslim) background and that the HO found as recently as Dec 2020 that it's not a 'muslim problem', so the report is relevant. You can dress it up how you like , this thread is about the Peado Rochdale gang and why they havnt been deported, if you want to talk about other Peado gangs of different nationality then start a new thread and il give my opinion Classic deflection tactics, they really are struggling with this one still no mention of the racist nature of these crimes
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Post by Orbs on Apr 7, 2021 17:22:47 GMT
It could be yet it is not why is that do you think ? seems very few of these gang members are Indian origin the majority are Muslim Pakistani. Pakistani culture then. Ooops. This must hurt. Isn't it a bugger when a Home Office report doesn't fit with your prejudices?
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Post by Orbs on Apr 7, 2021 17:30:05 GMT
Not sure I really follow. Are you saying that that Home Office report shouldn't be posted on this thread because it's not purely specific to the Rochdale case? If so, that's fine. I think we'd all agree that anyone of any background should be held to account for any child abuse criminality. I think it's also fine to point out the Rochdale lot were of Pakistani (presumably muslim) background and that the HO found as recently as Dec 2020 that it's not a 'muslim problem', so the report is relevant. You can dress it up how you like , this thread is about the Peado Rochdale gang and why they havnt been deported, if you want to talk about other Peado gangs of different nationality then start a new thread and il give my opinion I'm just pleased it's finally been admitted. Thanks again for realising that it's not just a Muslim/Pakistani issue. Phew.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 7, 2021 18:01:32 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 7, 2021 18:03:06 GMT
You can dress it up how you like , this thread is about the Peado Rochdale gang and why they havnt been deported, if you want to talk about other Peado gangs of different nationality then start a new thread and il give my opinion I'm just pleased it's finally been admitted. Thanks again for realising that it's not just a Muslim/Pakistani issue. Phew. Don’t know what your agenda is but hey I don’t have a problem if you want to defend these men that’s your choice , there are groomers of every colour and nationality including women to , this thread is about why these men have not been deported back to Pakistan
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