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Post by spitthedog on Apr 6, 2021 17:07:33 GMT
Nine years after the crimes were committed they are now back walking the streets of Rochdale , after been stripped of U.K. Citizenship they still have not been deported back to their native Pakistan , the Government needs to come clean why this has not happened Maybe to not upset the racial harmony in the area, who knows maybe they put that above wanton rape and abuse of children. That's most unlikely since the local communities both white and Asian are united on this and equally disgusted by these people's crimes and would happily see them deported, or locked up for a very long time . All local communities have been consistently vocal about this. The Government would be supported by the local community if they were proactive in this. This is incompetence of a Government who place no value, or worth on young working/under class lives regardless of background. They are simply not interested.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 17:28:34 GMT
Maybe to not upset the racial harmony in the area, who knows maybe they put that above wanton rape and abuse of children. That's most unlikely since the local communities both white and Asian are united on this and equally disgusted by these people's crimes and would happily see them deported, or locked up for a very long time . All local communities have been consistently vocal about this. The Government would be supported by the local community if they were proactive in this. This is incompetence of a Government who place no value, or worth on young working/under class lives regardless of background. They are simply not interested. Hopefully that is the case which begs the question as to why the Local Councils, Police and Social Services covered these reports up, all those culpable of not acting on these reports need arresting and charging as accessories to these crimes.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 6, 2021 17:30:10 GMT
Sorry about the length of the post, but it is an important issue. I've read the report Orbs. Personally I do think it veers slightly as a bit of a white wash in respect of specifically grooming gangs in Northern working class towns and the issue of the authorities turning a blind eye. I think the Home Office are guilty of not wanting to offend specific ethnic groups, and possibly to justify previous inaction. The report is at pains to say that there is limited reliable data and to me that is a deliberate caveat to say that ' we' can't draw any conclusions". Statistics. Yes it is true...more white people are offenders.... the report is very vague in providing evidence about those working together in gangs, as opposed to individuals. Then again that is to be expected in one sense there are more white people in the community. Instituionally, religious groups such as Catholic and C of E groups, seem to be a magnet for some and provide an opportunity to have access to children But if you read the full report there are several references to half the groups or 25 % of the groups being oofPakistani origin...quite a significant statistic given the comparative total number across the country and the fact that they operate in small concentrated locations. And it does seem that the racial element involved is , in a sense, the other way round, there are examples of white young girls( not exclusively, but largely so, and vulnerable girls) being TARGETTED by older Pakistani men....I've not come across gang behaviour , the other way round. All child abuse is wrong, but for me there is evidence that there is a specific problem with gangs of Pakistani men targeting white girls in northern working class towns. Why there aren't as many EE threads on white " gangs"... I think it is more difficult to see them as a specific group ( except the religious ones) within a predominantly white population and there doesn't seem to be any racial targeting nor geographical concentration. some extracts the available evidence is weak and robust data is scarce. Some, but not all, members of the group wanted to see more explicit detail on manifestations of group-based CSE when perpetrated by offenders from certain communities, particularly Pakistani communities, given the involvement of Pakistani-ethnic offenders in a number of high-profile cases and the recognised need for specific responses to specific threats. In finalising the paper, we have sought to be as specific as we can be, despite the lack of available evidence on cultural drivers in particular. Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. Throughout our work on group-based CSE, and in common with other forms of CSA, a consistent challenge has been the paucity of data. This lack of good quality data limits what can be known about the characteristics of offenders, victims and offending behaviour, as data is only available on the small proportion of known cases. Numerous high-profile cases have featured offenders employed in the night-time economy: The Jay Report on Rotherham highlighted the role of taxis in offending45; the Operation Span case in Rochdale focused on takeaways. As described in paragraphs 112-113, initial contact between victims and offenders in this form of offending is often situational, taking place in locations frequented by offenders, with low levels of safeguarding. The representation of offenders employed in the nighttime economy is in keeping with this. CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian {very disproportionate given the total population} In 2013 CEOP undertook a second piece of work in this space. Data was requested from all police forces in England and Wales on contact CSA, and responses were received from 31. Of the 52 groups where data provided was useable, half of the groups consisted of all Asian offenders, 11 were all White offenders, 4 were all Black, and 2 were exclusively Arab. There were nine groups where offenders came from a mix of ethnic backgrounds. Looking at the offenders across all groups, of the 306 offenders 75% were Asian. However, as with CEOP (2011) these figures should be treated with caution due to the amount of missing data. Lastly, the Police Foundation (Skidmore, 2016) looked at group-based CSE in Bristol, and found that those from ethnic minority backgrounds were overrepresented compared to the local area. However, they note that this is likely magnified by skewed and incomplete data. While some of the research set out above suggests that there are high numbers of offenders of Asian or Black ethnicities committing group-based CSE offences, it is not possible to say whether these groups are over-represented in this type of offending. So in conclusion are we saying that that mainly ethnic Pakistani men are over presented massively? This presumably is even taking into account that the geographical area was expanded to dilute the intensity in those towns most blighted?? Let's not beat around the bush, there is an issue within the Pakistani community that needs to be addressed whereby a disproportionate amount of males are involved in the grooming and sexual assault of young girls (it's not always young white girls to be clear). If people call me racist for saying that then it is what it is, because when it comes to these types of issues you cannot tip toe around. It's solved through education in the home, in school and in the Mosque and it involves a shift in attitudes towards women. This isn't always about sex, it's sometimes about men believing that these young girls are worthless and using their power to demean them, it's as much about mental abuse than it is physical. Anyone involved and found guilty of these crimes should get the toughest sentence possible. What I will say though - and I mentioned something similar in the Sarah Everard thread - is that none of us should rest on our laurels. I see in young white males an ever increasing attitude that glorifies sexual violence towards girls/women that is "normalised" by easy access to Pornography. This worries me, and it needs to change again through education, but also with strict legislation about registering and being able to access these types of sites, and though clear and consistent messages in sex education in high schools. Let's not focus too much on ethnicity or religion, lets ensure that by funding our police, social services, legal system we ensure that the bastards involved are caught early and brought to justice, and that through education we see a sea change in general attitudes towards women in generations to come......
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Post by felonious on Apr 6, 2021 17:36:03 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-56650674A Home Office spokesman said: "What happened in places such as Rochdale remains one of the biggest stains on our country's conscience. "The cases of the foreign national offenders involved in these crimes have recently been reviewed at the request of the Home Secretary and we intend to update the victims through the proper channels when we can." Really, let's have a proper national enquiry then into the multi agency failings both locally and nationally.....without waiting the obligatory 30 years so that those in office can die or retire or get dementia. I think the Home Office may well be downplaying the homegrown element somewhat. I’d like to hear from the Home Secretary directly rather than a “spokesman”. She’s quite low profile on something that her department is calling “one of the biggest stains on our country’s conscience”. Platitudes don’t cut it. It's a relief to hear anyone at all.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 6, 2021 17:38:51 GMT
Sorry about the length of the post, but it is an important issue. I've read the report Orbs. Personally I do think it veers slightly as a bit of a white wash in respect of specifically grooming gangs in Northern working class towns and the issue of the authorities turning a blind eye. I think the Home Office are guilty of not wanting to offend specific ethnic groups, and possibly to justify previous inaction. The report is at pains to say that there is limited reliable data and to me that is a deliberate caveat to say that ' we' can't draw any conclusions". Statistics. Yes it is true...more white people are offenders.... the report is very vague in providing evidence about those working together in gangs, as opposed to individuals. Then again that is to be expected in one sense there are more white people in the community. Instituionally, religious groups such as Catholic and C of E groups, seem to be a magnet for some and provide an opportunity to have access to children But if you read the full report there are several references to half the groups or 25 % of the groups being oofPakistani origin...quite a significant statistic given the comparative total number across the country and the fact that they operate in small concentrated locations. And it does seem that the racial element involved is , in a sense, the other way round, there are examples of white young girls( not exclusively, but largely so, and vulnerable girls) being TARGETTED by older Pakistani men....I've not come across gang behaviour , the other way round. All child abuse is wrong, but for me there is evidence that there is a specific problem with gangs of Pakistani men targeting white girls in northern working class towns. Why there aren't as many EE threads on white " gangs"... I think it is more difficult to see them as a specific group ( except the religious ones) within a predominantly white population and there doesn't seem to be any racial targeting nor geographical concentration. some extracts the available evidence is weak and robust data is scarce. Some, but not all, members of the group wanted to see more explicit detail on manifestations of group-based CSE when perpetrated by offenders from certain communities, particularly Pakistani communities, given the involvement of Pakistani-ethnic offenders in a number of high-profile cases and the recognised need for specific responses to specific threats. In finalising the paper, we have sought to be as specific as we can be, despite the lack of available evidence on cultural drivers in particular. Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. Throughout our work on group-based CSE, and in common with other forms of CSA, a consistent challenge has been the paucity of data. This lack of good quality data limits what can be known about the characteristics of offenders, victims and offending behaviour, as data is only available on the small proportion of known cases. Numerous high-profile cases have featured offenders employed in the night-time economy: The Jay Report on Rotherham highlighted the role of taxis in offending45; the Operation Span case in Rochdale focused on takeaways. As described in paragraphs 112-113, initial contact between victims and offenders in this form of offending is often situational, taking place in locations frequented by offenders, with low levels of safeguarding. The representation of offenders employed in the nighttime economy is in keeping with this. CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian {very disproportionate given the total population} In 2013 CEOP undertook a second piece of work in this space. Data was requested from all police forces in England and Wales on contact CSA, and responses were received from 31. Of the 52 groups where data provided was useable, half of the groups consisted of all Asian offenders, 11 were all White offenders, 4 were all Black, and 2 were exclusively Arab. There were nine groups where offenders came from a mix of ethnic backgrounds. Looking at the offenders across all groups, of the 306 offenders 75% were Asian. However, as with CEOP (2011) these figures should be treated with caution due to the amount of missing data. Lastly, the Police Foundation (Skidmore, 2016) looked at group-based CSE in Bristol, and found that those from ethnic minority backgrounds were overrepresented compared to the local area. However, they note that this is likely magnified by skewed and incomplete data. While some of the research set out above suggests that there are high numbers of offenders of Asian or Black ethnicities committing group-based CSE offences, it is not possible to say whether these groups are over-represented in this type of offending. So in conclusion are we saying that that mainly ethnic Pakistani men are over presented massively? This presumably is even taking into account that the geographical area was expanded to dilute the intensity in those towns most blighted?? Personally I think that is my interpretation Arthur. As a percentage of the overall population/ ethnic groups. And given that white people are spread over the entire country, Pakistani men are concentrated in more specific area. Plus I have not heard if any targeting the other way round. Iirc I did hear of the Sikh community being concerned about similar grooming by Pakistani men. But it is also true that there are more white abusers, but then again there are more white men, do you would expect that. In my interpretation, in terms of GANGS, it seems to me that Pakistani men are the largest identifiable group that operate in this way...and it is a problem. The report mentions taxis and night time work ( takeaways/ restaurants?)
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 17:44:34 GMT
Sorry about the length of the post, but it is an important issue. I've read the report Orbs. Personally I do think it veers slightly as a bit of a white wash in respect of specifically grooming gangs in Northern working class towns and the issue of the authorities turning a blind eye. I think the Home Office are guilty of not wanting to offend specific ethnic groups, and possibly to justify previous inaction. The report is at pains to say that there is limited reliable data and to me that is a deliberate caveat to say that ' we' can't draw any conclusions". Statistics. Yes it is true...more white people are offenders.... the report is very vague in providing evidence about those working together in gangs, as opposed to individuals. Then again that is to be expected in one sense there are more white people in the community. Instituionally, religious groups such as Catholic and C of E groups, seem to be a magnet for some and provide an opportunity to have access to children But if you read the full report there are several references to half the groups or 25 % of the groups being oofPakistani origin...quite a significant statistic given the comparative total number across the country and the fact that they operate in small concentrated locations. And it does seem that the racial element involved is , in a sense, the other way round, there are examples of white young girls( not exclusively, but largely so, and vulnerable girls) being TARGETTED by older Pakistani men....I've not come across gang behaviour , the other way round. All child abuse is wrong, but for me there is evidence that there is a specific problem with gangs of Pakistani men targeting white girls in northern working class towns. Why there aren't as many EE threads on white " gangs"... I think it is more difficult to see them as a specific group ( except the religious ones) within a predominantly white population and there doesn't seem to be any racial targeting nor geographical concentration. some extracts the available evidence is weak and robust data is scarce. Some, but not all, members of the group wanted to see more explicit detail on manifestations of group-based CSE when perpetrated by offenders from certain communities, particularly Pakistani communities, given the involvement of Pakistani-ethnic offenders in a number of high-profile cases and the recognised need for specific responses to specific threats. In finalising the paper, we have sought to be as specific as we can be, despite the lack of available evidence on cultural drivers in particular. Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations.5 However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending. This is due to issues such as data quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.6 During our conversations with police forces, we have found that in the operations reflected, offender groups come from diverse backgrounds, with each group being broadly ethnically homogenous. Throughout our work on group-based CSE, and in common with other forms of CSA, a consistent challenge has been the paucity of data. This lack of good quality data limits what can be known about the characteristics of offenders, victims and offending behaviour, as data is only available on the small proportion of known cases. Numerous high-profile cases have featured offenders employed in the night-time economy: The Jay Report on Rotherham highlighted the role of taxis in offending45; the Operation Span case in Rochdale focused on takeaways. As described in paragraphs 112-113, initial contact between victims and offenders in this form of offending is often situational, taking place in locations frequented by offenders, with low levels of safeguarding. The representation of offenders employed in the night�time economy is in keeping with this. CEOP (2011) undertook a data collection with police forces, children’s services and specialist providers from the voluntary sector, looking at those allegedly involved in ‘street grooming’ and CSE. Data was returned on approximately 2,300 possible offenders, but approximately 1,100 were excluded from analysis due to a lack of basic information. In the remaining 1,200 cases, ethnicity data was unknown for 38% of them. Where data was available 30% of offenders were White, while 28% were Asian {very disproportionate given the total population} In 2013 CEOP undertook a second piece of work in this space. Data was requested from all police forces in England and Wales on contact CSA, and responses were received from 31. Of the 52 groups where data provided was useable, half of the groups consisted of all Asian offenders, 11 were all White offenders, 4 were all Black, and 2 were exclusively Arab. There were nine groups where offenders came from a mix of ethnic backgrounds. Looking at the offenders across all groups, of the 306 offenders 75% were Asian. However, as with CEOP (2011) these figures should be treated with caution due to the amount of missing data. Lastly, the Police Foundation (Skidmore, 2016) looked at group-based CSE in Bristol, and found that those from ethnic minority backgrounds were over�represented compared to the local area. However, they note that this is likely magnified by skewed and incomplete data. While some of the research set out above suggests that there are high numbers of offenders of Asian or Black ethnicities committing group-based CSE offences, it is not possible to say whether these groups are over-represented in this type of offending. So in conclusion are we saying that that mainly ethnic Pakistani men are over presented massively? This presumably is even taking into account that the geographical area was expanded to dilute the intensity in those towns most blighted?? More white people are offenders most likely because white people make up 84% of the UK population, not rocket science is it ? all paedophiles need locking up for life, our children are not safe whilst these predators are free to roam our streets, if they are not UK citizens deport them no right to appeal. Arrest all complicit in covering their depraved behaviour and sentence them as accessories, all public servants guilt should have their pensions withdrawn.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 6, 2021 17:54:42 GMT
So in conclusion are we saying that that mainly ethnic Pakistani men are over presented massively? This presumably is even taking into account that the geographical area was expanded to dilute the intensity in those towns most blighted?? Personally I think that is my interpretation Arthur. As a percentage of the overall population/ ethnic groups. And given that white people are spread over the entire country, Pakistani men are concentrated in more specific area. Plus I have not heard if any targeting the other way round. Iirc I did hear of the Sikh community being concerned about similar grooming by Pakistani men. But it is also true that there are more white abusers, but then again there are more white men, do you would expect that. In my interpretation, in terms of GANGS, it seems to me that Pakistani men are the largest identifiable group that operate in this way...and it is a problem. The report mentions taxis and night time work ( takeaways/ restaurants?) This is the point isn’t it, is not just the odd depraved pervert, these are organised paedophile “gangs” who in the main are of Pakistani origin. I know that’s controversial but it is kinda the truth I’m afraid. Whenever these things get brought up in the media(all too rarely) it is, in the main, a Pakistani gang. And before anyone says I’m a racist bigot I have regular contact with Pakistani guys through cricket who are some of the nicest easy going guys I’ve met and they are of the same opinion that it’s a huge issue amongst their community. Tin hat in place!
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Post by Orbs on Apr 6, 2021 18:03:51 GMT
Personally I think that is my interpretation Arthur. As a percentage of the overall population/ ethnic groups. And given that white people are spread over the entire country, Pakistani men are concentrated in more specific area. Plus I have not heard if any targeting the other way round. Iirc I did hear of the Sikh community being concerned about similar grooming by Pakistani men. But it is also true that there are more white abusers, but then again there are more white men, do you would expect that. In my interpretation, in terms of GANGS, it seems to me that Pakistani men are the largest identifiable group that operate in this way...and it is a problem. The report mentions taxis and night time work ( takeaways/ restaurants?) This is the point isn’t it, is not just the odd depraved pervert, these are organised paedophile “gangs” who in the main are of Pakistani origin. I know that’s controversial but it is kinda the truth I’m afraid. Whenever these things get brought up in the media(all too rarely) it is, in the main, a Pakistani gang. And before anyone says I’m a racist bigot I have regular contact with Pakistani guys through cricket who are some of the nicest easy going guys I’ve met and they are of the same opinion that it’s a huge issue amongst their community. Tin hat in place! Not according to that Home Office report from December 2020 I posted earlier Badge - it stated that 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.' Just so we are clear, I'm not defending them! Just pointing out that this abhorrent behaviour is something that can not only be pointed at the Pakistani/Muslim community.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 6, 2021 18:07:03 GMT
This is the point isn’t it, is not just the odd depraved pervert, these are organised paedophile “gangs” who in the main are of Pakistani origin. I know that’s controversial but it is kinda the truth I’m afraid. Whenever these things get brought up in the media(all too rarely) it is, in the main, a Pakistani gang. And before anyone says I’m a racist bigot I have regular contact with Pakistani guys through cricket who are some of the nicest easy going guys I’ve met and they are of the same opinion that it’s a huge issue amongst their community. Tin hat in place! Not according to that Home Office report from December 2020 I posted earlier Badge - it stated that 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.' Told you I had my tin hat on Orbs. I’m just commenting on what I’ve seen in the media. Whether that’s accurate or not is up for debate. Like I said the guys from cricket believe it to be an issue, don’t know whether that’s because it’s in the media more or their personal experiences.
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Post by felonious on Apr 6, 2021 18:13:24 GMT
This is the point isn’t it, is not just the odd depraved pervert, these are organised paedophile “gangs” who in the main are of Pakistani origin. I know that’s controversial but it is kinda the truth I’m afraid. Whenever these things get brought up in the media(all too rarely) it is, in the main, a Pakistani gang. And before anyone says I’m a racist bigot I have regular contact with Pakistani guys through cricket who are some of the nicest easy going guys I’ve met and they are of the same opinion that it’s a huge issue amongst their community. Tin hat in place! Not according to that Home Office report from December 2020 I posted earlier Badge - it stated that 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.' Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males?
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Post by felonious on Apr 6, 2021 18:23:01 GMT
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Post by felonious on Apr 6, 2021 18:29:36 GMT
Ann Cryer, Labour MP for Keighley, recalled in a BBC documentary filmed in 2012 that she had worked with the families of the victims involved, and had been "round at the police station virtually every week" and was "begging" both the police and social services to do something. Cryer said, "Neither the police nor social services would touch those cases. I think it was because they were afraid of being called racist." Cryer had attempted to reach the Muslim community and persuade it to take action: "I went to a friend of mine, who was a local councillor and happened to be a Muslim and therefore able to represent me to the elders, because I thought it was a good move to try to get those elders involved. I hoped that I would be able to persuade the elders to go knocking on doors and say 'this behaviour is un-Islamic and I want it to stop because I'm going to tell the whole community about you and what you’re doing if you don’t'. Now they weren’t prepared to do that" A report by The Times on 5 January 2011, related to convictions for child sex grooming in the North and Midlands. Of the 56 offenders convicted since 1997 for crimes relating to on-street grooming of girls aged 11 to 16, three were white, 53 were Asian of which 50 were Muslim, and most were from the British Pakistani community. Furthermore, The Times article alleged: "with the exception of one town there is scant evidence of work being undertaken in British Pakistani communities to confront the problem" of "pimping gangs" largely consisting of "members of the British Pakistani community" In a BBC documentary investigating grooming young girls for sex by some Pakistani men, Imam Irfan Chishti from the Rochdale Council of Mosques deplored the practice, saying it was "very shocking to see fellow British Muslims brought to court for this kind of horrific offence." Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused elders of the Pakistani community of "burying their heads in the sand" on the matter of sexual grooming. He said that of convictions involving child sexual exploitation, 87% were of British Pakistani men and it was a significant problem for that community. He said the actions of criminals who thought "white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused" were "bringing shame on our community." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
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Post by Orbs on Apr 6, 2021 18:30:35 GMT
Not according to that Home Office report from December 2020 I posted earlier Badge - it stated that 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.' Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males? Good grief Fel - I might as well be typing in Swahili! All of my posts aren't about any particular region or case - Rochdale or anywhere. It's a simple point I'm clearly not making very well. This board is littered with anti-Muslim rhetoric and veiled racism day after day. All I am saying is the White men appear to be the biggest perpetrators - something which appears to be conveniently sidestepped by some on here. These crimes are not just a Muslim/Pakistani disease - reading this board you'd think that these communities are the scum of the earth. I'm just trying (and failing by the looks of it!) to add a bit of balance. That's it.
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Post by hoffgreen on Apr 6, 2021 19:03:22 GMT
Multiculturalism.... Great innit 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 6, 2021 19:17:01 GMT
Multiculturalism.... Great innit 👍 It's never been the same since them Normans came over here.
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 6, 2021 19:20:57 GMT
So in conclusion are we saying that that mainly ethnic Pakistani men are over presented massively? This presumably is even taking into account that the geographical area was expanded to dilute the intensity in those towns most blighted?? Let's not beat around the bush, there is an issue within the Pakistani community that needs to be addressed whereby a disproportionate amount of males are involved in the grooming and sexual assault of young girls (it's not always young white girls to be clear). If people call me racist for saying that then it is what it is, because when it comes to these types of issues you cannot tip toe around. It's solved through education in the home, in school and in the Mosque and it involves a shift in attitudes towards women. This isn't always about sex, it's sometimes about men believing that these young girls are worthless and using their power to demean them, it's as much about mental abuse than it is physical. Anyone involved and found guilty of these crimes should get the toughest sentence possible. What I will say though - and I mentioned something similar in the Sarah Everard thread - is that none of us should rest on our laurels. I see in young white males an ever increasing attitude that glorifies sexual violence towards girls/women that is "normalised" by easy access to Pornography. This worries me, and it needs to change again through education, but also with strict legislation about registering and being able to access these types of sites, and though clear and consistent messages in sex education in high schools. Let's not focus too much on ethnicity or religion, lets ensure that by funding our police, social services, legal system we ensure that the bastards involved are caught early and brought to justice, and that through education we see a sea change in general attitudes towards women in generations to come...... WELL SAID !
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
Multiculturalism.... Great innit 👍 Fantastic we must learn to be more tolerant of the needs of minorities.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 6, 2021 19:30:39 GMT
Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males? Good grief Fel - I might as well be typing in Swahili! All of my posts aren't about any particular region or case - Rochdale or anywhere. It's a simple point I'm clearly not making very well. This board is littered with anti-Muslim rhetoric and veiled racism day after day. All I am saying is the White men appear to be the biggest perpetrators - something which appears to be conveniently sidestepped by some on here. These crimes are not just a Muslim/Pakistani disease - reading this board you'd think that these communities are the scum of the earth. I'm just trying (and failing by the looks of it!) to add a bit of balance. That's it. And you’re right to do so. Anti-Muslim hate is rife and people choose to hide behind the whole “Islamophobia isn’t even a real thing” debate rather than the real issue at hand. As I said on an earlier post, the Pakistani community needs to educate its youngsters in the home, Mosque etc, but let’s be clear you could swap “Pakistani” for Catholic or Church of England clergy and the scandals go way beyond what we’re talking about here.......
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 19:34:09 GMT
Not according to that Home Office report from December 2020 I posted earlier Badge - it stated that 'Research has found that group-based CSE offenders are most commonly white.' Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males? Deflection tactics again, the thread is about grooming gangs in Rochdale so let's try to deflect it from the subject, classic whataboutery defend the indefensible, 84% of the UK population is white so shock horror they are the major culprits well no fcuking shit Sherlock, I wonder how many Christian grooming gang members are raping Asian children in Pakistan ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 6, 2021 20:05:46 GMT
Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males? Deflection tactics again, the thread is about grooming gangs in Rochdale so let's try to deflect it from the subject, classic whataboutery defend the indefensible, 84% of the UK population is white so shock horror they are the major culprits well no fcuking shit Sherlock, I wonder how many Christian grooming gang members are raping Asian children in Pakistan ? Go to parts of Vietnam, Thailand and you will see the absolute scum of this country preying on young kids. Stop trying to bring it down to that level, there are good, bad and just outright sick bastards in all communities the world over......
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 20:07:55 GMT
From the Mail:
A victim of the Rochdale grooming gang last night urged Priti Patel to kick her abusers out of Britain as the ringleader was pictured stocking up on fizzy drinks in the town where he abused children nine years ago.
Girl A, the main victim of the grooming gang, said it was a disgrace the Government had failed to act and called for an explanation from the Home Secretary.
She spoke out after Abdul Rauf, 51, was pictured buying food and drinks in Rochdale, where he and other gang members groomed and sexually abused young girls.
When the married father-of-five was released on licence in 2014 he was told he faced deportation to Pakistan because he holds a dual-nationality passport.
Scandalously, however, Rauf remains free to move around Rochdale - one of three former taxi drivers still fighting efforts to throw them out of the country.
Already one victim has revealed how she had 'never been so scared in all my life' after bumping into her attacker in the town.
Campaigners warn the continuing failure to deport them would continue to blight the lives of the girls, now in their twenties and thirties.
It's a National disgrace that these perverts are allowed back onto our streets.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 20:08:55 GMT
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Post by woodstein on Apr 6, 2021 20:13:23 GMT
Nine years after the crimes were committed they are now back walking the streets of Rochdale , after been stripped of U.K. Citizenship they still have not been deported back to their native Pakistan , the Government needs to come clean why this has not happened The overall silence on the whole grooming situation Has been nothing short of the biggest National scandal ever I shan’t hold my breath waiting for the liberal elite to man /women the barricades demanding a public inquiry into why politicians police social workers at best turned a blind eye To the systematic abuse of young vulnerable females Obviously the wrong type of females Yet men now are made to feel guilty for trying to snog girls at school back in the day!
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Post by Orbs on Apr 6, 2021 20:21:49 GMT
Of course most offenders will be white due to the make up of the country. If the quote above is correct would you expect 84% of the offences to be white males? This thread is about Rochdale therefore surely it's pertinent to concentrate on the offending in Rochdale and the reasons why it took a brave policewoman to step out and call it against a deafening silence from social services, police, the local council, etc. There's no point in repeating a meaningless statistic Orbs which has no relevance in the situation appertaining to Rochdale. You must have seen the names and faces of the offenders at the numerous trials. Were 84% of them white males? Deflection tactics again, the thread is about grooming gangs in Rochdale so let's try to deflect it from the subject, classic whataboutery defend the indefensible, 84% of the UK population is white so shock horror they are the major culprits well no fcuking shit Sherlock, I wonder how many Christian grooming gang members are raping Asian children in Pakistan ? Finally! An admission that it’s not just Muslim/Pakistani perpetrators of these abhorrent crimes. It took a while but we got there in the end. Thank you. Now we just have your issue with being a ‘single child’ or being from a ‘single parent background’ - any answers to this please? You’ve had plenty of time to think about it.
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Post by foster on Apr 6, 2021 20:46:56 GMT
Deflection tactics again, the thread is about grooming gangs in Rochdale so let's try to deflect it from the subject, classic whataboutery defend the indefensible, 84% of the UK population is white so shock horror they are the major culprits well no fcuking shit Sherlock, I wonder how many Christian grooming gang members are raping Asian children in Pakistan ? Finally! An admission that it’s not just Muslim/Pakistani perpetrators of these abhorrent crimes. It took a while but we got there in the end. Thank you. Now we just have your issue with being a ‘single child’ or being from a ‘single parent background’ - any answers to this please? You’ve had plenty of time to think about it. A few months back we had the same debate on here and I recall that the non white, BAME (or whatever you want to call all the non white people) was over represented. Religion is irrelevant, but even considering the missing data percentages as all white (which isn't the case), the other ethnic groups were still over represented.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 6, 2021 21:03:46 GMT
The overall silence on the whole grooming situation Has been nothing short of the biggest National scandal ever I shan’t hold my breath waiting for the liberal elite to man /women the barricades demanding a public inquiry into why politicians police social workers at best turned a blind eye To the systematic abuse of young vulnerable females Obviously the wrong type of females Yet men now are made to feel guilty for trying to snog girls at school back in the day! At least we were kids ourselves, these sick fcukers are adult sexual predators preying on mainly vulnerable white children, it's also blatantly racially motivated if these were white paedophile organised gangs of men targeting bame children there would be a national out cry, we should all be contacting out local MP's to demand a national enquiry into the complete failure of the authorities to deal with these filthy scum bags, they have criminally let our children down. Get this scum off our streets.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 7, 2021 0:59:50 GMT
Finally! An admission that it’s not just Muslim/Pakistani perpetrators of these abhorrent crimes. It took a while but we got there in the end. Thank you. Now we just have your issue with being a ‘single child’ or being from a ‘single parent background’ - any answers to this please? You’ve had plenty of time to think about it. A few months back we had the same debate on here and I recall that the non white, BAME (or whatever you want to call all the non white people) was over represented. Religion is irrelevant, but even considering the missing data percentages as all white (which isn't the case), the other ethnic groups were still over represented. The doctrines of religion are completely “irrelevant” here?
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Post by heworksardtho on Apr 7, 2021 5:33:53 GMT
Priti Patel has now vowed to deport members of the Rochdale Gang due to new immigration laws , let’s get them gone
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 7, 2021 7:32:57 GMT
Priti Patel has now vowed to deport members of the Rochdale Gang due to new immigration laws , let’s get them gone Fcuk these dirty scumbags off they are not welcome here, keep our children safe.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 7, 2021 8:05:49 GMT
Multiculturalism.... Great innit 👍 It's never been the same since them Normans came over here. Bloody Scandinavian French
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