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May 29, 2021 14:23:05 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on May 29, 2021 14:23:05 GMT
He made the job much harder than he needed to and made us worse to watch from his first season for no good reason. This is no excuse for shit football. He’s lucky he has a job. Ah… The biggest expert of them all! The fact that he kept us up was a minor miracle in itself. Last season was going fine considering he had a training ground half full of poisonous, money grabbing mercenaries who didn’t want anything to do with our club. The football was attritional at times, but we were a penalty kick away from going to the top of the league. Since then the injuries have been never ending. You can say he’s signed plenty of players, but he’s had to bodge his way through with free transfers & what is in today’s world, small fees for players who, although have potential, are pretty rough around the edges. He’s been given no real money to spend, whilst constantly giving our young players the chance to show their worth. Whilst the second half of the season has been a long, hard slog and goals for have been at a premium, we at least have some fight & no longer get rolled over on a regular basis. He has steadied the ship during extremely choppy waters & in the long run we will only continue to progress with this manager. We’re going get worse u see this manager , he would have been sacked at most other clubs for the last six months results , he’s completely out of his depth
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 14:48:39 GMT
Sounds like a cushy number and another considerable salary for something anyone with a laptop and a half decent knowledge of football players/leagues could do. Like who? Pulis offers more than good recruitment, he offers a wealth of experience & knowledge at getting promoted and establishing a club. Best man for the job by ten Country miles. Not doing it is ripping your nose off to spite your face if you're John Coates. More of the last 5 years and the fans are going to turn, on them Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job...
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May 29, 2021 14:56:47 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 14:56:47 GMT
Like who? Pulis offers more than good recruitment, he offers a wealth of experience & knowledge at getting promoted and establishing a club. Best man for the job by ten Country miles. Not doing it is ripping your nose off to spite your face if you're John Coates. More of the last 5 years and the fans are going to turn, on them Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... With his connections I always want to say Hughes would make a good DoF but then his decision making with transfers is clearly not the best and that’s being very kind.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 15:01:56 GMT
Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... With his connections I always want to say Hughes would make a good DoF but then his decision making with transfers is clearly not the best and that’s being very kind. Yeah, emphatically so. Would prefer a sporting director to a DoF but with either I don’t think any prior Stoke connection is necessary. All this ‘knows the club’ bollocks is wildly overplayed imo.
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May 29, 2021 15:02:30 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:02:30 GMT
Like who? Pulis offers more than good recruitment, he offers a wealth of experience & knowledge at getting promoted and establishing a club. Best man for the job by ten Country miles. Not doing it is ripping your nose off to spite your face if you're John Coates. More of the last 5 years and the fans are going to turn, on them Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... Clearly not, he moved over at Plymouth so Pulis could take over
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:04:57 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:04:57 GMT
With his connections I always want to say Hughes would make a good DoF but then his decision making with transfers is clearly not the best and that’s being very kind. Yeah, emphatically so. Would prefer a sporting director to a DoF but with either I don’t think any prior Stoke connection is necessary. All this ‘knows the club’ bollocks is wildly overplayed imo. What is your assumption that its bollocks based on? People keep saying that as season after season of shit goes by, people Said the same the second time pulis come back to a club he knows
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 15:06:41 GMT
Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... Clearly not, he moved over at Plymouth so Pulis could take over Incorrect.
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:07:07 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:07:07 GMT
Clearly not, he moved over at Plymouth so Pulis could take over Incorrect. He definatly did, that's a fact
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 15:08:31 GMT
Yeah, emphatically so. Would prefer a sporting director to a DoF but with either I don’t think any prior Stoke connection is necessary. All this ‘knows the club’ bollocks is wildly overplayed imo. What is your assumption that its bollocks based on? People keep saying that as season after season of shit goes by, people Said the same the second time pulis come back to a club he knows What does it mean exactly? Time moves on and things change, clubs aren’t like The Overlook hotel, they don’t have their own character that stays untouched forever. People, styles, ideas evolve and change over time. A club 10-15 years ago isn’t the same as it is today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 15:08:46 GMT
With his connections I always want to say Hughes would make a good DoF but then his decision making with transfers is clearly not the best and that’s being very kind. Yeah, emphatically so. Would prefer a sporting director to a DoF but with either I don’t think any prior Stoke connection is necessary. All this ‘knows the club’ bollocks is wildly overplayed imo. Oh yeah it’s not needed at all. You need someone with a vision, someone who knows how to get shit done and how to organise a club (I prefer the idea of a sporting director too). We’ve gone down the route of hoping to get lucky with a manager again. So it’s all pointless anyway. God I wish we could fuck the Coates off and not fall into oblivion.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 15:09:12 GMT
He definatly did, that's a fact I mean, it isn’t. I can wait for you to Google it if you like or I can flat out tell you the sequence?
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:10:06 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:10:06 GMT
Yeah, emphatically so. Would prefer a sporting director to a DoF but with either I don’t think any prior Stoke connection is necessary. All this ‘knows the club’ bollocks is wildly overplayed imo. Oh yeah it’s not needed at all. You need someone with a vision, someone who knows how to get shit done and how to organise a club (I prefer the idea of a sporting director too). We’ve gone down the route of hoping to get lucky with a manager again. So it’s all pointless anyway. God I wish we could fuck the Coates off and not fall into oblivion. We're staring years in the wilderness straight in the face with how we are set up. Sell these young lads and replace them with the likes of the players we have been signing and its good night vienna
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:11:06 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:11:06 GMT
He definatly did, that's a fact I mean, it isn’t. I can wait for you to Google it if you like or I can flat out tell you the sequence? I can remember Holloway quitting on the radio as clear as day, he said from his own mouth he wasn't upto keeping them up so he's going to step down
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 15:12:41 GMT
I mean, it isn’t. I can wait for you to Google it if you like or I can flat out tell you the sequence? I can remember Holloway quitting on the radio as clear as day, he said from his own mouth he wasn't upto keeping them up so he's going to step down Yes, but after Pulis. Pulis took over from Bobby Williamson, Holloway took over when Pulis came back here.
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Post by thevoid on May 29, 2021 15:26:01 GMT
Like who? Pulis offers more than good recruitment, he offers a wealth of experience & knowledge at getting promoted and establishing a club. Best man for the job by ten Country miles. Not doing it is ripping your nose off to spite your face if you're John Coates. More of the last 5 years and the fans are going to turn, on them Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... Or Mark Hughes. He managed consistently higher league finishes than TP and found some bargains from abroad. Plus he knows the club and presumably owns a laptop.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 29, 2021 15:27:24 GMT
Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... Or Mark Hughes. He managed consistently higher league finishes than TP and found some bargains from abroad. Plus he knows the club and presumably owns a laptop. i’d go with that Hughes did better when he had a limited budget too.
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:29:11 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:29:11 GMT
Ian Holloway has those things and twice as many promotions from the division, using your logic he’s surely a better placed man for the job... Or Mark Hughes. He managed consistently higher league finishes than TP and found some bargains from abroad. Plus he knows the club and presumably owns a laptop. Yes the perfect man for the job, spots player a mile off mark does lol
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May 29, 2021 15:29:52 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 15:29:52 GMT
Or Mark Hughes. He managed consistently higher league finishes than TP and found some bargains from abroad. Plus he knows the club and presumably owns a laptop. i’d go with that Hughes did better when he had a limited budget too. Both him and TP were abject failures when they spent money. Hughes’ only big money signing that was ok to good was Shaq. People will say Crouch was for TP. I wouldn’t. 2 players for the money spent is a shocking return.
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May 29, 2021 15:30:51 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:30:51 GMT
I must have stepped into a parallel universe where the man responsible for Stokes demise is the answer to a director of football role, you couldn't make it up.
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:33:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 15:33:51 GMT
I must have stepped into a parallel universe where the man responsible for Stokes demise is the answer to a director of football role, you couldn't make it up. No one wants Hughes as DOF it’s as bad an idea as having TP.
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May 29, 2021 15:34:14 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:34:14 GMT
i’d go with that Hughes did better when he had a limited budget too. Both him and TP were abject failures when they spent money. Hughes’ only big money signing that was ok to good was Shaq. People will say Crouch was for TP. I wouldn’t. 2 players for the money spent is a shocking return. Give over, TP barely made any big money signings, Crouch earned his fee ten fold, his only big money buy that failed was palacios who had undoubtedly suffered through his brother being murdered. The money pulis spent that was mostly wasted were squad fillers to add to a tiny squad upon promotion at a time when we were struggling to attract the quality needed, you'll point to soares, olofinjana and the likes of them, pittance money in Premiership terms
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87M Loss
May 29, 2021 15:41:51 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 15:41:51 GMT
Both him and TP were abject failures when they spent money. Hughes’ only big money signing that was ok to good was Shaq. People will say Crouch was for TP. I wouldn’t. 2 players for the money spent is a shocking return. Give over, TP barely made any big money signings, Crouch earned his fee ten fold, his only big money buy that failed was palacios who had undoubtedly suffered through his brother being murdered. The money pulis spent that was mostly wasted were squad fillers to add to a tiny squad upon promotion at a time when we were struggling to attract the quality needed, you'll point to soares, olofinjana and the likes of them, pittance money in Premiership terms Crouch was never needed and made us worse. Whitehead at the time was a big fee. As was Tuncay. So I guess I’d say Huth was TP’s only good one. Kitson was a lot of money at the time too.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:51:40 GMT
I must have stepped into a parallel universe where the man responsible for Stokes demise is the answer to a director of football role, you couldn't make it up. No one wants Hughes as DOF it’s as bad an idea as having TP. I'll bet if the fans were asked in numbers Tony Pulis would be first choice by an overwhelming majority
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 15:54:36 GMT
No one wants Hughes as DOF it’s as bad an idea as having TP. I'll bet if the fans were asked in numbers Tony Pulis would be first choice by an overwhelming majority He would. It says more about our fans than anything else
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May 29, 2021 15:56:14 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 15:56:14 GMT
I'll bet if the fans were asked in numbers Tony Pulis would be first choice by an overwhelming majority He would. It says more about our fans than anything else it doesn't it makes perfect sense
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 16:02:31 GMT
He would. It says more about our fans than anything else it doesn't it makes perfect sense It’s batshit mental and shows a total lack of understanding football. Which is about right.
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May 29, 2021 16:04:29 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 16:04:29 GMT
it doesn't it makes perfect sense It’s batshit mental and shows a total lack of understanding football. Which is about right. No, fans relate to experience, players and managers alike which is why less than 10% would select mark hughes and even they would be under the influence
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Post by jeycov on May 29, 2021 16:05:55 GMT
No one wants Hughes as DOF it’s as bad an idea as having TP. I'll bet if the fans were asked in numbers Tony Pulis would be first choice by an overwhelming majority He didn’t manage a team who were relegated
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May 29, 2021 16:06:30 GMT
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 16:06:30 GMT
I'll bet if the fans were asked in numbers Tony Pulis would be first choice by an overwhelming majority He didn’t manage a team who were relegated Who?
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Post by pushon on May 29, 2021 16:07:40 GMT
Both Hughes and Pulis had their contracts terminated by Stoke, which suggests their abilities were seen as not up to scratch. Why would they now be seen as competent? particularly considering their lack of notable achievement since leaving the club.
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