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Post by xchpotter on May 29, 2021 8:13:26 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9630957/AHEAD-GAME-Sean-Dyches-switch-Burnley-Crystal-Palace-hits-hitch-20m-bill.htmlPreston’s Peter Ridsdale and Stoke chief executive Tony Scholes have emerged as the main contenders to join the EFL Board in what could be an intriguing election for the Championship clubs next month.
The vacancy for a Championship representative on the Board has been created by the departure from Bristol City of chief executive Mark Ashton.
A second spot could become available as numerous clubs want to remove Derby chief executive Stephen Pearce due to alleged conflicts of interest, as previously revealed by Sportsmail.
Ridsdale and Scholes sit on opposing sides of the EFL’s ongoing Financial Fair Play debate, with the former very much in favour of restrictions and the latter wanting clubs to be given more freedom to spend as they see fit. So the outcome of the election could have significant ramifications for the future. Is this the same Peter Ridsale that borrowed money left right and centre trying to make Leeds one of the biggest clubs in Europe? Ha ha, was thinking that myself. Maybe he will argue he’s experienced the danger first hand so understands the need for restrictions? Wonder what his position would be if he was at a club that had wealthy owners?
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Post by march4 on May 29, 2021 8:26:50 GMT
Surely no one would vote for Ridsdale.
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Post by followyoudown on May 29, 2021 8:31:25 GMT
Surely no one would vote for Ridsdale. The have nots will, the haves probably won't. For the have nots FFP means it is a more even playing field for those aiming for promotion, keeps inflationary pressure on wages down if clubs cant buy who they wish and pay what they want of course it also means any promoted club is 95% certain to be immediately relegated but they dont seem to think or care about that.
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Post by march4 on May 29, 2021 8:45:04 GMT
Surely no one would vote for Ridsdale. The have nots will, the haves probably won't. For the have nots FFP means it is a more even playing field for those aiming for promotion, keeps inflationary pressure on wages down if clubs cant buy who they wish and pay what they want of course it also means any promoted club is 95% certain to be immediately relegated but they dont seem to think or care about that. Next season Championship fans will be able to see the likes of Collins and Bursik playing in their league. These are future internationals who will eventually play for the biggest clubs in the world. All FFP is doing is making the likelihood of us having to sell them greater. In addition, poor clubs being promoted to the Prem just means they are immediately relegated again. A club needs resources to survive. Leeds had those resources.
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Post by Championship Potter on May 29, 2021 9:07:58 GMT
Tony gets a lot of shit on here but if he can end this FFP farce then he’s earned his corn. I would be saying this even if I wasn’t a Stoke fan - the solution is a fit and proper ownership test rather than arbitrarily trying to cap spending in a way which is damaging to clubs in the long term.
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Post by followyoudown on May 29, 2021 9:10:57 GMT
The have nots will, the haves probably won't. For the have nots FFP means it is a more even playing field for those aiming for promotion, keeps inflationary pressure on wages down if clubs cant buy who they wish and pay what they want of course it also means any promoted club is 95% certain to be immediately relegated but they dont seem to think or care about that. Next season Championship fans will be able to see the likes of Collins and Bursik playing in their league. These are future internationals who will eventually play for the biggest clubs in the world. All FFP is doing is making the likelihood of us having to sell them greater. In addition, poor clubs being promoted to the Prem just means they are immediately relegated again. A club needs resources to survive. Leeds had those resources. Oh I agree with all that but equally if it was Coates Mk I in charge I suspect many of us would be siding with brizzle fans and risdale, ultimately I think covid will mean ffp is not sustainable, Sunderland if they were allowed to spend to build the squad they need would through transfer fees probably fund half a dozen clubs survival for the next year or two.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 9:26:18 GMT
that looks like the size of it summer 2022 should be massively better
supporter expectations for 2021/22 season will be whatever but Coates family expectations will surely be happy to accept mid table again People keep saying this but I don't see it, yes there will be a lot of players gone but we still won't be able to spend overly big sums, ffp will still be about and the tv money will be tiny. Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 9:31:41 GMT
People keep saying this but I don't see it, yes there will be a lot of players gone but we still won't be able to spend overly big sums, ffp will still be about and the tv money will be tiny. Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience Unless we want to sign any full backs or creative midfielders...
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 9:32:56 GMT
Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience Unless we want to sign any full backs or creative midfielders... Lol, Like the ones we have now you mean?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 9:41:59 GMT
Unless we want to sign any full backs or creative midfielders... Lol, Like the ones we have now you mean? Exactly. We need some. So someone who knows a few is probably the way to go, isn’t that the entire point? We’re in desperate need of some new tricks, not falling back on old ones.
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Post by march4 on May 29, 2021 9:43:21 GMT
Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience Unless we want to sign any full backs or creative midfielders... Full backs are just wannabe wingers anyway! Who wants them?
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 9:48:08 GMT
Lol, Like the ones we have now you mean? Exactly. We need some. So someone who knows a few is probably the way to go, isn’t that the entire point? We’re in desperate need of some new tricks, not falling back on old ones. I'd like Pulis to be director of football because he has a c.v of doing exactly what we are trying to achieve, at this very club. His idea of a good player is my idea of a good player, he knows what a stoke player is on and off the pitch plus he had a very good record of finding players for peanuts, delap, fuller, Lawrence, higginbotham, shawcross, huth, whelan, sidibe, Griffin, begovic, taggart, Cresswell, Walters the list goes on and on. He knows the market we are shopping in and the market o Neil seems to like
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 9:51:29 GMT
Unless we want to sign any full backs or creative midfielders... Full backs are just wannabe wingers anyway! Who wants them? Do ever feel the material might use a bit of freshening up?
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 9:51:49 GMT
Full backs are just wannabe wingers anyway! Who wants them? Do ever feel the material might use a bit of freshening up? 😂
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 9:53:22 GMT
Exactly. We need some. So someone who knows a few is probably the way to go, isn’t that the entire point? We’re in desperate need of some new tricks, not falling back on old ones. I'd like Pulis to be director of football because he has a c.v of doing exactly what we are trying to achieve, at this very club. His idea of a good player is my idea of a good player, he knows what a stoke player is on and off the pitch plus he had a very good record of finding players for peanuts, delap, fuller, Lawrence, higginbotham, shawcross, huth, whelan, sidibe, Griffin, begovic, taggart, Cresswell, Walters the list goes on and on. He knows the market we are shopping in and the market o Neil seems to like It’s backward looking at a time when we need to be forward looking. He isn’t going to identify the kind of players Brentford do or Norwich do is he? Young players, bargains in non-domestic bargains etc?
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 29, 2021 9:54:52 GMT
People keep saying this but I don't see it, yes there will be a lot of players gone but we still won't be able to spend overly big sums, ffp will still be about and the tv money will be tiny. Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience I agree that now is the time to change the set up, Tony Pulis is not the man to do it, he isn't open minded enough, he'd just try and build a team in his own image. A DOF that the owners trust so they can take a step back and, if needs be, Scholes can stick to being the numbers guy.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:01:33 GMT
I'd like Pulis to be director of football because he has a c.v of doing exactly what we are trying to achieve, at this very club. His idea of a good player is my idea of a good player, he knows what a stoke player is on and off the pitch plus he had a very good record of finding players for peanuts, delap, fuller, Lawrence, higginbotham, shawcross, huth, whelan, sidibe, Griffin, begovic, taggart, Cresswell, Walters the list goes on and on. He knows the market we are shopping in and the market o Neil seems to like It’s backward looking at a time when we need to be forward looking. He isn’t going to identify the kind of players Brentford do or Norwich do is he? Young players, bargains in non-domestic bargains etc? I don't care where they come from as long as they're hard as nails, run through brickwalls and are professional, the aim is to get back to the top flight and Pulis knows the types of players required to do it. Home based bargains is his forte. Add that to this crop of youth and we are surely onto a winner. I don't trust this incompetent board would find a better option to what I believe is a very good one
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:05:30 GMT
Plus we are apparantly suddenly about to become experts in recruitment in 2022, something we havnt managed since around 2014. They need a director of football upstairs right now ready for 2022 if we want improvement. Tony Pulis should be installed imo and I believe he is somebody that could work well alongside O'Neil who when all is said and done is new to football league management and transfer business. Pulis will bring a wealth of much needed knowledge and experience I agree that now is the time to change the set up, Tony Pulis is not the man to do it, he isn't open minded enough, he'd just try and build a team in his own image. A DOF that the owners trust so they can take a step back and, if needs be, Scholes can stick to being the numbers guy. That's the thing, if you sent them out with a fiver to get some potatoes and oranges they would come back with a multipack of crisps and a Terry's chocolate orange. No, they need to swallow their pride for me and install the man responsible for scfc's success upstairs
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 10:06:38 GMT
It’s backward looking at a time when we need to be forward looking. He isn’t going to identify the kind of players Brentford do or Norwich do is he? Young players, bargains in non-domestic bargains etc? I don't care where they come from as long as they're hard as nails, run through brickwalls and are professional, the aim is to get back to the top flight and Pulis knows the types of players required to do it. Home based bargains is his forte. Add that to this crop of youth and we are surely onto a winner. I don't trust this incompetent board would find a better option to what I believe is a very good one He knows one specific way to do it, a way that doesn’t really work at this level anymore and that again relies largely on experienced proven players - what we need is youth, energy and players with some resale value.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:07:39 GMT
I don't care where they come from as long as they're hard as nails, run through brickwalls and are professional, the aim is to get back to the top flight and Pulis knows the types of players required to do it. Home based bargains is his forte. Add that to this crop of youth and we are surely onto a winner. I don't trust this incompetent board would find a better option to what I believe is a very good one He knows one specific way to do it, a way that doesn’t really work at this level anymore and that again relies largely on experienced proven players - what we need is youth, energy and players with some resale value. We've allready got that, I'd like to add the experienced proven with the right dna to compliment them
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Post by hardcastle on May 29, 2021 10:11:10 GMT
TP's style of football obviously split the fan base. His record of recruitment (relative to cost) though, particularly 2006-11, was first class. Now in his 60s, the DoF role might just suit him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 10:13:11 GMT
He knows one specific way to do it, a way that doesn’t really work at this level anymore and that again relies largely on experienced proven players - what we need is youth, energy and players with some resale value. We've allready got that, I'd like to add the experienced proven with the right dna to compliment them We need more of it. In midfield especially. Surely you’re not saying our recruitment policy going forward should be based around signing players in their late 20s and early 30s?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 10:14:08 GMT
TP's style of football obviously split the fan base. His record of recruitment (relative to cost) though, particularly 2006-11, was first class. Now in his 60s, the DoF role might just suit him. For a very specific set up though. Again, bye bye signing young players, full backs, creative players anywhere except the wings.
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:20:09 GMT
We've allready got that, I'd like to add the experienced proven with the right dna to compliment them We need more of it. In midfield especially. Surely you’re not saying our recruitment policy going forward should be based around signing players in their late 20s and early 30s? I think we need to start walking before we can run and get the right players to get promoted, for me that is a good dolop of pulis types to compliment this current crop of youth we have
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 10:21:59 GMT
We need more of it. In midfield especially. Surely you’re not saying our recruitment policy going forward should be based around signing players in their late 20s and early 30s? I think we need to start walking before we can run and get the right players to get promoted, for me that is a good dolop of pulis types to compliment this current crop of youth we have Look at the type of teams who get promoted these days. It isn’t 2008 anymore.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2021 10:25:43 GMT
I think we need to start walking before we can run and get the right players to get promoted, for me that is a good dolop of pulis types to compliment this current crop of youth we have Look at the type of teams who get promoted these days. It isn’t 2008 anymore. And we got very lucky that it was such a low points haul for automatic. Think it’s happened once since?
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:26:58 GMT
I think we need to start walking before we can run and get the right players to get promoted, for me that is a good dolop of pulis types to compliment this current crop of youth we have Look at the type of teams who get promoted these days. It isn’t 2008 anymore. Come on that's no excuse, we have a good selection of younger players, when the going gets tough at the top it's the experienced that see you through, both in the dressing room and on the pitch. When you look at those players I mentioned above, I think we'll see that a very good number of these players we picked up for peanuts were far from over the hill at the time of signing them
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Post by yyy on May 29, 2021 10:27:26 GMT
Look at the type of teams who get promoted these days. It isn’t 2008 anymore. And we got very lucky that it was such a low points haul for automatic. Think it’s happened once since? It happened to us as a club once in decades
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Post by thevoid on May 29, 2021 10:31:52 GMT
TP's style of football obviously split the fan base. His record of recruitment (relative to cost) though, particularly 2006-11, was first class. Now in his 60s, the DoF role might just suit him. I'm sure it will but he won't be offered it. It's 2021 for God's sake.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 29, 2021 10:33:07 GMT
Look at the type of teams who get promoted these days. It isn’t 2008 anymore. Come on that's no excuse, we have a good selection of younger players, when the going gets tough at the top it's the experienced that see you through, both in the dressing room and on the pitch. When you look at those players I mentioned above, I think we'll see that a very good number of these players we picked up for peanuts were far from over the hill at the time of signing them Is it? Which teams and players specifically do you mean?
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