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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 12:42:05 GMT
Paul Stewart hit the drink real bad didn't he? Poor sod
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Post by datguy on Mar 23, 2021 12:47:39 GMT
Christ, Andy Woodward's experience with the Barry Bennell is really bad isn't it?
Obviously the awful stuff he experienced directly.
But I was just reading his wikipedia and it says Bennell's cousin murdered Woodward's aunt in the 70s, and then Bennell himself married his sister.
Fucking awful stuff tbh.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2021 12:54:21 GMT
Paul Stewart hit the drink real bad didn't he? Poor sod It's incredible that he performed at the level he did for such a sustained period. Obviously he fell flat at Liverpool, but even to make it there seems like a miracle. It must have taken so much energy to bottle all that up for years, but of course that's where the drugs and drink come in. I hope he can get some kind of peace now. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 23, 2021 13:14:15 GMT
i have it recorded and will watch it but it sounds a very tough watch from the comments just recently rewatched three girls that was on bbc a few years back and is now on netflix, it follows the child abuse rings in Rotheram and the handling of it by police, social services and the CPS, it is shameful the response that these children had and those that did shout were silenced and ignored, that was a harrowing watch our society still has a long way to go in order to deal with these problems properly, i imagine we are only finding out the tiniest bit of what has been or is going on The saddest thing is that it's taken all these years to get any sort of enquiry going despite the knowledge from many people and clubs that this was going on. It's almost as if we have to wait a mandatory 30 years or so in order that people can retire, get dementia or die so there's no day of reckoning. The fact that Rotherham and the like are current suggests that there are still some serious lessons to be learned. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 13:19:24 GMT
Christ, Andy Woodward's experience with the Barry Bennell is really bad isn't it? Obviously the awful stuff he experienced directly. But I was just reading his wikipedia and it says Bennell's cousin murdered Woodward's aunt in the 70s, and then Bennell himself married his sister. Fucking awful stuff tbh. I wouldn't take Wikipedia as gospel, but if that's true, it gets more messed up at every turn, doesn't it?? |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 23, 2021 13:33:03 GMT
Christ, Andy Woodward's experience with the Barry Bennell is really bad isn't it? Obviously the awful stuff he experienced directly. But I was just reading his wikipedia and it says Bennell's cousin murdered Woodward's aunt in the 70s, and then Bennell himself married his sister. Fucking awful stuff tbh. I wouldn't take Wikipedia as gospel, but if that's true, it gets more messed up at every turn, doesn't it?? Unfortunately it is true. Ronald Bennell murdered Woodward's aunt who was 22 and pregnant. The two were not known to each other. www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/03/andy-woodward-barry-bennell-cousin-mothers-sister-murdered |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 13:57:40 GMT
Jesus. What a murky world we live in. |
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Post by crowey on Mar 23, 2021 13:57:53 GMT
... back here in Oz, our friend’s husband killed himself as a result of abuse at a Marist Brothers boarding school in Brisbane. He was one of the most talented Rugby League players of his generation in Queensland. Unfortunately happens everywhere
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 23, 2021 14:15:31 GMT
Reading all the comments here and what those poor sods went through I’ll bell glad when my boys have grown up
Parents worse nightmare. I’d be doing time if I was a parent of an abused child
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:27:30 GMT
... back here in Oz, our friend’s husband killed himself as a result of abuse at a Marist Brothers boarding school in Brisbane. He was one of the most talented Rugby League players of his generation in Queensland. Unfortunately happens everywhere A lad at my school hung himself apparently after watching the TV show 'Threads'. Fantastic rugby and Gaelic player as well to go a bit off topic. Hate to think what went on in boarding schools. |
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Post by crowey on Mar 23, 2021 14:31:19 GMT
... back here in Oz, our friend’s husband killed himself as a result of abuse at a Marist Brothers boarding school in Brisbane. He was one of the most talented Rugby League players of his generation in Queensland. Unfortunately happens everywhere A lad at my school hung himself apparently after watching the TV show 'Threads'. Fantastic rugby and Gaelic player as well to go a bit off topic. Hate to think what went on in boarding schools. ... I was there (in the UK) enough said |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 23, 2021 14:37:19 GMT
Reading all the comments here and what those poor sods went through I’ll bell glad when my boys have grown up Parents worse nightmare. I’d be doing time if I was a parent of an abused child David White said exactly that. He said he'd carried the secret with him and didn't feel like he could tell his Dad because he knew his Dad would kill Bennell. He didn't tell him because he was protecting his Dad. How sad is that? I watched it with my eldest, who is in Academy Football at Blackpool. He knows he can tell me anything at all, no matter how dark the secret might be or how scared he might be. It felt weird telling him that football, though important to him, isn't the be all and end all and you don't have to do anything to "make it" that doesn't involve being good on a football pitch. I wasn't sure whether I should have allowed him to watch it but I'm glad that I did. |
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Post by RAF on Mar 23, 2021 15:08:28 GMT
Just watched it.
Fucking absolutely heartbreaking.
I don't mind admitting I shed some tears for those poor lads and their parents.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 15:20:59 GMT
Reading all the comments here and what those poor sods went through I’ll bell glad when my boys have grown up Parents worse nightmare. I’d be doing time if I was a parent of an abused child David White said exactly that. He said he'd carried the secret with him and didn't feel like he could tell his Dad because he knew his Dad would kill Bennell. He didn't tell him because he was protecting his Dad. How sad is that? I watched it with my eldest, who is in Academy Football at Blackpool. He knows he can tell me anything at all, no matter how dark the secret might be or how scared he might be. It felt weird telling him that football, though important to him, isn't the be all and end all and you don't have to do anything to "make it" that doesn't involve being good on a football pitch. I wasn't sure whether I should have allowed him to watch it but I'm glad that I did. Probably a good thing and good luck to him. |
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Post by robrigo on Mar 23, 2021 16:30:36 GMT
At the age of 15, whilst I was on work experience I was abused by the person who was in a trusted position.
I went from a happy go lucky lad to a shadow of the person I was before. It affected school, jobs and relationships especially with my parents who didn’t know. My relationship with my dad was affected considerably because he simply didn’t know why I’d gone off the rails.
It is so important to talk and that’s the reason I’m putting it on here, just in case anybody reading may have gone through or is going through the same thing. Please tell someone. Don’t let it fester and eat away at all aspects of your life.
Even today I have my moments but you can come out the other end.
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 17:10:37 GMT
Very difficult to not get very angry about all this isn't it.
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Post by march4 on Mar 23, 2021 17:16:01 GMT
Very difficult to not get very angry about all this isn't it. It is, mate. Let’s hope this abuse will never be repeated anywhere again. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 23, 2021 17:22:59 GMT
Very difficult to not get very angry about all this isn't it. It is, mate. Let’s hope this abuse will never be repeated anywhere again. you can never guarantee that sadly however the attitudes of clubs now (& would like to think this is largely the case now, although concerned this isn't the case at Crewe Alex still - hopefully I'm wrong about that) is zero tolerance for these bastards the sweeping under the carpet mentality as we've seen across institutions throughout not just football just helped the evil |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 23, 2021 17:40:19 GMT
At the age of 15, whilst I was on work experience I was abused by the person who was in a trusted position. I went from a happy go lucky lad to a shadow of the person I was before. It affected school, jobs and relationships especially with my parents who didn’t know. My relationship with my dad was affected considerably because he simply didn’t know why I’d gone off the rails. It is so important to talk and that’s the reason I’m putting it on here, just in case anybody reading may have gone through or is going through the same thing. Please tell someone. Don’t let it fester and eat away at all aspects of your life. Even today I have my moments but you can come out the other end. Takes some guts to do that on an open forum mate, similar thing happened to my wife when she was 15 on work experience at a solicitors, she was never the same after and only disclosed to me what had happened 15 years later, there are some evil bastards about, take care. |
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Post by 4ndr3w on Mar 23, 2021 18:04:34 GMT
Very difficult to not get very angry about all this isn't it. Whenever something like this is on the news or spoke about I try and avoid it at all costs as it makes me feel physically sick Mind boggles how anyone could harm a child |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 23, 2021 18:06:03 GMT
At the age of 15, whilst I was on work experience I was abused by the person who was in a trusted position. I went from a happy go lucky lad to a shadow of the person I was before. It affected school, jobs and relationships especially with my parents who didn’t know. My relationship with my dad was affected considerably because he simply didn’t know why I’d gone off the rails. It is so important to talk and that’s the reason I’m putting it on here, just in case anybody reading may have gone through or is going through the same thing. Please tell someone. Don’t let it fester and eat away at all aspects of your life. Even today I have my moments but you can come out the other end. Fair play for sharing mate and sorry you had to go through that....... |
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Post by leicspotter on Mar 23, 2021 19:48:05 GMT
At the age of 15, whilst I was on work experience I was abused by the person who was in a trusted position. I went from a happy go lucky lad to a shadow of the person I was before. It affected school, jobs and relationships especially with my parents who didn’t know. My relationship with my dad was affected considerably because he simply didn’t know why I’d gone off the rails. It is so important to talk and that’s the reason I’m putting it on here, just in case anybody reading may have gone through or is going through the same thing. Please tell someone. Don’t let it fester and eat away at all aspects of your life. Even today I have my moments but you can come out the other end. You have my upmost admiration for your bravery in putting this on here. I wish you all the best |
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Post by skip on Mar 23, 2021 23:16:35 GMT
Watched last night and this evening. Utterly heartbreaking. The talking heads segments were some of the saddest but bravest television I think I've ever seen from grown men. Every last of those who spoke out are amazing.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Mar 24, 2021 0:04:48 GMT
I’ve just watched tonight’s, my goodness, when Bennell walked out of that courtroom in the states and said what he said to the journo.
Some world we live in.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Mar 24, 2021 0:18:48 GMT
Watching the second episode made me wonder what the jury must be thinking to return the not guilty verdicts back then.
Its scandalous to think that the opportunity was there, with evidence, to lock these people away, yet they got off scott free.
It was also really sad to see billy seymour had died before justice finally gets served.
RIP fella.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 24, 2021 0:43:29 GMT
At the age of 15, whilst I was on work experience I was abused by the person who was in a trusted position. I went from a happy go lucky lad to a shadow of the person I was before. It affected school, jobs and relationships especially with my parents who didn’t know. My relationship with my dad was affected considerably because he simply didn’t know why I’d gone off the rails. It is so important to talk and that’s the reason I’m putting it on here, just in case anybody reading may have gone through or is going through the same thing. Please tell someone. Don’t let it fester and eat away at all aspects of your life. Even today I have my moments but you can come out the other end. Brave man, respect to you. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 24, 2021 1:26:19 GMT
Just finished episodes 2 and 3 on Iplayer, fuck that was a tough watch.
Maximum respect to everyone of those blokes for coming forward. We live in a world where masculinity is seen as some kind of stupid badge of honour especially in industries such as football. I can’t begin to imagine the courage it must have taken to tell their families, go to court and appear on national TV so that others don’t have to suffer.
I think this programme will stay with me for a long time, I coach an under 13’s team myself and to think that every parent brings their child along and entrusts you in making sure their kids can play the game and enjoy themselves. To take advantage of that for your own sick gratification is just beyond comprehension........
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 24, 2021 6:49:41 GMT
God that was a difficult watch.
I know they were more innocent times, but I can't imagine at any point how a parent wouldn't have alarm bells ringing at the point a coach started inviting young boys to stay at his house. My lad plays football and I've always trusted his coaches and got on well with them- he's often at training in their care and it's never even crossed my mind that they're any sort of threat to him. However, there is no way I'd ever even entertain the thought of allowing him to stay at their houses under any circumstances.
Those parents will no doubt be suffering terrible guilt about what happened. I don't wish to imply they're bad parents- it just goes to show how people don't always behave rationally and can get swept along into conforming with what others are doing, assuming that because other parents are letting their boys stay over at a coach's house, it must be OK.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 24, 2021 7:07:34 GMT
God that was a difficult watch. I know they were more innocent times, but I can't imagine at any point how a parent wouldn't have alarm bells ringing at the point a coach started inviting young boys to stay at his house. My lad plays football and I've always trusted his coaches and got on well with them- he's often at training in their care and it's never even crossed my mind that they're any sort of threat to him. However, there is no way I'd ever even entertain the thought of allowing him to stay at their houses under any circumstances. Those parents will no doubt be suffering terrible guilt about what happened. I don't wish to imply they're bad parents- it just goes to show how people don't always behave rationally and can get swept along into conforming with what others are doing, assuming that because other parents are letting their boys stay over at a coach's house, it must be OK. There were many parents back in the day that thought it was a big plus point with crewe, that coaches involved with the 1st team took such an interest in their development, even having them staying at their house pre match. Of course you wouldn't let it happen but from age of 9 kids at these clubs are travelling abroad with coaches and staying in hotels without parents. If your child is in that environment do you let them go or deprive them of the opportunity? |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 24, 2021 10:04:14 GMT
God that was a difficult watch. I know they were more innocent times, but I can't imagine at any point how a parent wouldn't have alarm bells ringing at the point a coach started inviting young boys to stay at his house. My lad plays football and I've always trusted his coaches and got on well with them- he's often at training in their care and it's never even crossed my mind that they're any sort of threat to him. However, there is no way I'd ever even entertain the thought of allowing him to stay at their houses under any circumstances. Those parents will no doubt be suffering terrible guilt about what happened. I don't wish to imply they're bad parents- it just goes to show how people don't always behave rationally and can get swept along into conforming with what others are doing, assuming that because other parents are letting their boys stay over at a coach's house, it must be OK. There were many parents back in the day that thought it was a big plus point with crewe, that coaches involved with the 1st team took such an interest in their development, even having them staying at their house pre match. Of course you wouldn't let it happen but from age of 9 kids at these clubs are travelling abroad with coaches and staying in hotels without parents. If your child is in that environment do you let them go or deprive them of the opportunity? I just think it was a very different age. It's about position and power, people who had any kind of position of power, whether it be teacher, coach, social worker, we always assumed to be trustworthy and were assumed to have earned the right to have the power that goes with it. From my own first hand experience, working class culture was always deferential in this way, and looked up to people in positions of trust and power, and the fact is most people were trustworthy but other's clearly abused this and exploited it badly. Like you say it would be considered an honour, or privilege to be taken under their wing and the other thing that was exploited was the fact that football was one of the few outlets for most working class kids to fulfil their dreams. This was also exploited. When I was a kid there was nothing else that mattered, or existed in the world tbh. My world revolved around it. Growing up, I could easily imagine myself and my family being starstruck by the likes of Barry Bennell. |
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