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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 26, 2021 15:50:31 GMT
I presume so to ..but as they didn’t expand on anything fans return wise , that’s best guesstimate .and .whilst it’s important to put a positive spin on things ..many clubs are once again all but ready to go ..we , from last night have yet to hold meetings with the SC to hear their input ..and of course as there’s an odd number of games 23 the red / white ST solution wouldn’t be an ideal for a full season ..it was to be implemented people will recall with several home games all being played BCD so provided an even split last time around You could split the tickets 12 - 11 and with a price differential and give those with the 11 game tickets first dibs on the next home game in a cup competition! Another option might be to be optimistic and hope that by the second half of the season we might be back to larger crowds so you could have 6 game tickets for the first half of the season. Or everyone gets to attend 11.5 games - red season card holders get to watch the first half of the 12th game, white season ticket holders the second. Sub them all in at half time. I can't see any logistical problems that could prevent this.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 26, 2021 16:09:50 GMT
You could split the tickets 12 - 11 and with a price differential and give those with the 11 game tickets first dibs on the next home game in a cup competition! Another option might be to be optimistic and hope that by the second half of the season we might be back to larger crowds so you could have 6 game tickets for the first half of the season. Or everyone gets to attend 11.5 games - red season card holders get to watch the first half of the 12th gam, white season ticket holders the second. Sub them all in at half time. I can't see any logistical problems that could prevent this.
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Post by femark on Mar 26, 2021 16:15:57 GMT
You could split the tickets 12 - 11 and with a price differential and give those with the 11 game tickets first dibs on the next home game in a cup competition! Another option might be to be optimistic and hope that by the second half of the season we might be back to larger crowds so you could have 6 game tickets for the first half of the season. Or everyone gets to attend 11.5 games - red season card holders get to watch the first half of the 12th gam, white season ticket holders the second. Sub them all in at half time. I can't see any logistical problems that could prevent this. Would I still be able to have a piss and an overpriced pie at half time?
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Post by a on Mar 26, 2021 17:06:23 GMT
Will there be enough ST holders to worry about this issue? 😂
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Mar 26, 2021 19:04:12 GMT
Dear Mr Coates, take my money, TAKE IT NOW.
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Post by Scouse on Mar 26, 2021 19:26:22 GMT
Will there be enough ST holders to worry about this issue? 😂 If full capacity allowed to be used ..no if reduced to 25% of capacity ..yes
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Post by march4 on Mar 26, 2021 19:35:18 GMT
It is going to be a while before we have full stadia isn’t it?
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 26, 2021 19:39:27 GMT
It is going to be a while before we have full stadia isn’t it? I don't see why not March if all goes well into June then things should be getting closer to normal.
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Post by Scouse on Mar 27, 2021 8:48:04 GMT
With news that a booster vaccination against the three variants will be given from September onwards and flu season beginning in October time i can only think that a stadium a quarter full with masks and no vocal noise being favoured by many. Im neither a doom spreader or a head in the clouds optimist, TBH I was bobbing along reasonably confident ( not assuming ) that there was a high chance of full crowds being let back in , until I read the Coventry announcement , whilst I understand clubs will have a plan b ..it was their specific reasoning for their plan b that set alarm bells ringing , as it wasn’t we start full then have to revert, it was revert from the word go full paragraph reads While the Prime Minister previously indicated COVID restrictions would end on 21st June in his roadmap, further conversations with the EFL, following their dialogue with Government, have indicated that this may not be the case and there may still be restrictions on sporting events. Therefore, the Club will take a cautious approach and sell initially only to this limit until the situation is made clearer by the Prime Minister and the Government. Now it could be Coventry are desperate for funds , so need to start selling STs whilst the road map to recovery is still in its infancy.. Personally I’ve always thought clubs would put ST back on sale after the announcement for the 21st June ..ie mid June , clearly some clubs need / want the cash flow of selling when things remain unclear ..the longer you wait the clearer things become and you only have to make one announcement , with T&Cs re fallback, refunds ..that provides a much more marketable message to be put out than going early . as a club we are probably in a better position financially to be able to wait than some
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Post by Northy on Mar 27, 2021 10:10:44 GMT
With news that a booster vaccination against the three variants will be given from September onwards and flu season beginning in October time i can only think that a stadium a quarter full with masks and no vocal noise being favoured by many. Im neither a doom spreader or a head in the clouds optimist, TBH I was bobbing along reasonably confident ( not assuming ) that there was a high chance of full crowds being let back in , until I read the Coventry announcement , whilst I understand clubs will have a plan b ..it was their specific reasoning for their plan b that set alarm bells ringing , as it wasn’t we start full then have to revert, it was revert from the word go full paragraph reads While the Prime Minister previously indicated COVID restrictions would end on 21st June in his roadmap, further conversations with the EFL, following their dialogue with Government, have indicated that this may not be the case and there may still be restrictions on sporting events. Therefore, the Club will take a cautious approach and sell initially only to this limit until the situation is made clearer by the Prime Minister and the Government. Now it could be Coventry are desperate for funds , so need to start selling STs whilst the road map to recovery is still in its infancy.. Personally I’ve always thought clubs would put ST back on sale after the announcement for the 21st June ..ie mid June , clearly some clubs need / want the cash flow of selling when things remain unclear ..the longer you wait the clearer things become and you only have to make one announcement , with T&Cs re fallback, refunds ..that provides a much more marketable message to be put out than going early . as a club we are probably in a better position financially to be able to wait than some Coventry may also want to sell season tickets quickly as they are still in with a chance of relegation
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 27, 2021 13:15:58 GMT
Festivals are still reporting they will be on and if that's the case I don't see why football shouldn't?
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Post by telfordstokie on Mar 27, 2021 14:58:10 GMT
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Post by stokeuk474 on Mar 29, 2021 14:56:24 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/56566256Next month's FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley will be among the pilot events to trial the return of large crowds to UK venues. Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that the games on 17 and 18 April will be part of the trial programme. The FA Cup final and the World Snooker Championship in Sheffield are also on the schedule. "We want to get as many people back as safely as possible," said Dowden. The semi-final between Chelsea and Manchester City will be shown live on BBC One and the BBC iPlayer on Saturday, 17 April, with Leicester v Southampton on the following day. Dowden also said more pilot events would be announced later this week after confirmation from the government that the next stage of the planned easing of restrictions on 12 April is on track. The following stage, scheduled for 17 May, would allow stadia to open with a 25% capacity limit, up to a maximum of 10,000 spectators. The current plan is then for all restrictions on social contact to be lifted on 21 June. "We want to make it as simple and convenient as possible for people. That's why we are conducting these pilots," Dowden said. "The plan is to look at factors like one-way systems, ventilation within a stadium and how you interact in terms of getting to and from the venue." Dowden refused to be drawn on how many spectators would be permitted to attend the Wembley semi-finals. But BBC Sport understands the possibility of having 20,000 fans at the final on 15 May is being explored by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) and the Football Association. Those proposals would need to be agreed with Brent Council. FA Cup final and World Snooker Championship on list of pilot events "The purpose of this is not so much the overall number, it is how they interact with each other," Dowden added. "So it's the social distancing that they have from each other. It's the behavioural factors. "We will be testing them before and after to look at spread and look how they behave in the stadium. "We're not just chucking everyone into the stadiums, it is being done in a very controlled way and the purpose is to get the rules set can so it can be as safe as possible from the 21 June."This last sentence worries me. If all legal limits on social contact are to be removed, then that says full stadiums to me. His comments suggest social distancing will still be here after June 21st. This must put the return of full stadiums next season into doubt. Also looks like, testing before going to a match will be here for the medium term.
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Post by lordb on Mar 29, 2021 16:18:54 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/56566256Next month's FA Cup semi-finals at Wembley will be among the pilot events to trial the return of large crowds to UK venues. Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden told BBC sports editor Dan Roan that the games on 17 and 18 April will be part of the trial programme. The FA Cup final and the World Snooker Championship in Sheffield are also on the schedule. "We want to get as many people back as safely as possible," said Dowden. The semi-final between Chelsea and Manchester City will be shown live on BBC One and the BBC iPlayer on Saturday, 17 April, with Leicester v Southampton on the following day. Dowden also said more pilot events would be announced later this week after confirmation from the government that the next stage of the planned easing of restrictions on 12 April is on track. The following stage, scheduled for 17 May, would allow stadia to open with a 25% capacity limit, up to a maximum of 10,000 spectators. The current plan is then for all restrictions on social contact to be lifted on 21 June. "We want to make it as simple and convenient as possible for people. That's why we are conducting these pilots," Dowden said. "The plan is to look at factors like one-way systems, ventilation within a stadium and how you interact in terms of getting to and from the venue." Dowden refused to be drawn on how many spectators would be permitted to attend the Wembley semi-finals. But BBC Sport understands the possibility of having 20,000 fans at the final on 15 May is being explored by the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) and the Football Association. Those proposals would need to be agreed with Brent Council. FA Cup final and World Snooker Championship on list of pilot events "The purpose of this is not so much the overall number, it is how they interact with each other," Dowden added. "So it's the social distancing that they have from each other. It's the behavioural factors. "We will be testing them before and after to look at spread and look how they behave in the stadium. "We're not just chucking everyone into the stadiums, it is being done in a very controlled way and the purpose is to get the rules set can so it can be as safe as possible from the 21 June."This last sentence worries me. If all legal limits on social contact are to be removed, then that says full stadiums to me. His comments suggest social distancing will still be here after June 21st. This must put the return of full stadiums next season into doubt. Also looks like, testing before going to a match will be here for the medium term. been a couple of vague utterings lately re post June 21 , seems it's not certain yet whether there will be restrictions or not
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Post by Scouse on Mar 31, 2021 8:25:08 GMT
Millwall preparing to sell season tickets ..a quick read ( very quick , so may have missed other conditions ) and conditions relating to COVID
In the event the Club is unable to accommodate Season Ticket holders to a Match at The Den, the Club will use reasonable endeavours to provide alternative arrangements, which could include live streaming capability. There is no obligation on the Club to offer a pro-rata refund in these circumstances, in line with Clause 1.1.3
In the event that the Club is unable to accommodate Season or Match Ticket holders as a result of restrictions imposed due to the COVID-19 pandemic, in line with 1.4.3, the Club will use reasonable endeavours to provide alternative viewing arrangements, such as live streaming through the ifollow (or equivalent) channels. With the prevalence of the COVID-19 virus in the United Kingdom, any Tickets purchased after March 17 2020 will be deemed to have been purchased understanding and accepting of this clause, and as such no refunds will be payable should the Club be unable to accommodate Ticket holders as a result of this.
March 2020 date I think is because monies paid for 20/21 tickets have been kept in their club as a credit , that credit can be used in the purchase of 21/22 tickets
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Post by Scouse on Mar 31, 2021 17:10:38 GMT
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Post by musik on Mar 31, 2021 17:15:34 GMT
No fans in place in Sweden in 2021.
☹️😒😰😢😩😫😖😣🤢😞
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 31, 2021 18:41:13 GMT
I've just completed the club's questionnaire. My personal view (I don't know if it's a workable proposition) is this:-
It's unlikely we'll be able to just pick up where we left off. So I doubt we'll be able to turn up at whatever time we want, crowd together at turnstiles, toilets and in the aisles just before the final whistle.. We're probably looking at staggered arrival and departure times, possibly no catering and a matchday experience that could be dragged out over several hours.
My suggestion is for the club to sell season tickets for odd-numbered games and even-numbered games. The crowd numbers would be much more manageable. Everybody gets the chance of attending half the home games and it would allow us to go with family and friends. Live streams could be purchased for the games we can't attend - for those fans not able or willing to go at all, this would be the only option.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Mar 31, 2021 19:23:51 GMT
This is what I posted and I meant it.
We need to return to normality as soon as possible, to that end I expect to return to my seat next season with no restrictions whatsoever and the match day experience as before. Anything less will be too much to bear and I will not return.
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 31, 2021 20:34:29 GMT
I've just completed the club's questionnaire. My personal view (I don't know if it's a workable proposition) is this:- It's unlikely we'll be able to just pick up where we left off. So I doubt we'll be able to turn up at whatever time we want, crowd together at turnstiles, toilets and in the aisles just before the final whistle.. We're probably looking at staggered arrival and departure times, possibly no catering and a matchday experience that could be dragged out over several hours. My suggestion is for the club to sell season tickets for odd-numbered games and even-numbered games. The crowd numbers would be much more manageable. Everybody gets the chance of attending half the home games and it would allow us to go with family and friends. Live streams could be purchased for the games we can't attend - for those fans not able or willing to go at all, this would be the only option. What gives you the impression that 'we won't just be able to pick up where we left off'? If the live music industry is planning for a full return of 'normal' gigs (i.e. no restrictions / full capacity both indoors and out) from 21st June then why would football and other sports be subject restrictive measures? Is there that much difference between twenty thousand people standing in a field and 20 thousand people sitting in a stadium?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 1, 2021 10:33:56 GMT
I've just completed the club's questionnaire. My personal view (I don't know if it's a workable proposition) is this:- It's unlikely we'll be able to just pick up where we left off. So I doubt we'll be able to turn up at whatever time we want, crowd together at turnstiles, toilets and in the aisles just before the final whistle.. We're probably looking at staggered arrival and departure times, possibly no catering and a matchday experience that could be dragged out over several hours. My suggestion is for the club to sell season tickets for odd-numbered games and even-numbered games. The crowd numbers would be much more manageable. Everybody gets the chance of attending half the home games and it would allow us to go with family and friends. Live streams could be purchased for the games we can't attend - for those fans not able or willing to go at all, this would be the only option. What gives you the impression that 'we won't just be able to pick up where we left off'? If the live music industry is planning for a full return of 'normal' gigs (i.e. no restrictions / full capacity both indoors and out) from 21st June then why would football and other sports be subject restrictive measures? Is there that much difference between twenty thousand people standing in a field and 20 thousand people sitting in a stadium? None whatsoever. But judging by the questionnaire that I was sent yesterday they are looking to make the 'experience' feel safe for those supporters who would like it. So any restrictions may not be ones applied by the Government but ones in effect 'requested' by supporters.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 1, 2021 10:38:36 GMT
What gives you the impression that 'we won't just be able to pick up where we left off'? If the live music industry is planning for a full return of 'normal' gigs (i.e. no restrictions / full capacity both indoors and out) from 21st June then why would football and other sports be subject restrictive measures? Is there that much difference between twenty thousand people standing in a field and 20 thousand people sitting in a stadium? None whatsoever. But judging by the questionnaire that I was sent yesterday they are looking to make the 'experience' feel safe for those supporters who would like it. So any restrictions may not be ones applied by the Government but ones in effect 'requested' by supporters. If this happens then they're ostracising a big proportion of the fan base who don't want restrictions or feel they are necessary. There is literally no reason why first game of the season there should be any restrictions in place whatsoever.
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Post by Miles Offside on Apr 1, 2021 10:38:42 GMT
I've just completed the club's questionnaire. My personal view (I don't know if it's a workable proposition) is this:- It's unlikely we'll be able to just pick up where we left off. So I doubt we'll be able to turn up at whatever time we want, crowd together at turnstiles, toilets and in the aisles just before the final whistle.. We're probably looking at staggered arrival and departure times, possibly no catering and a matchday experience that could be dragged out over several hours. My suggestion is for the club to sell season tickets for odd-numbered games and even-numbered games. The crowd numbers would be much more manageable. Everybody gets the chance of attending half the home games and it would allow us to go with family and friends. Live streams could be purchased for the games we can't attend - for those fans not able or willing to go at all, this would be the only option. What gives you the impression that 'we won't just be able to pick up where we left off'? If the live music industry is planning for a full return of 'normal' gigs (i.e. no restrictions / full capacity both indoors and out) from 21st June then why would football and other sports be subject restrictive measures? Is there that much difference between twenty thousand people standing in a field and 20 thousand people sitting in a stadium? The critical factor is whether or not social distancing will still be required. If not, we can return to the old "normal". But if it is, then clubs will need to come up with a workable plan to avoid congestion at the turnstiles, in the concourse, toilets and for thousands to enter and exit the stands in an orderly manner. Same with the pathways from the stadium that sometimes come to a standstill due to the shear number of people leaving at the same time.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 1, 2021 10:43:04 GMT
None whatsoever. But judging by the questionnaire that I was sent yesterday they are looking to make the 'experience' feel safe for those supporters who would like it. So any restrictions may not be ones applied by the Government but ones in effect 'requested' by supporters. If this happens then they're ostracising a big proportion of the fan base who don't want restrictions or feel they are necessary. There is literally no reason why first game of the season there should be any restrictions in place whatsoever. And if it doesn't happen then it ostracises that proportion of the fan base that don't feel safe going back to 'normal' straight away - which given that the demographic of regular attendees at matches is getting older can't be ignored. That's the balance they have to strike.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 1, 2021 10:43:47 GMT
If this happens then they're ostracising a big proportion of the fan base who don't want restrictions or feel they are necessary. There is literally no reason why first game of the season there should be any restrictions in place whatsoever. And if it doesn't happen then it ostracises that proportion of the fan base that don't feel safe going back to 'normal' straight away - which given that the demographic of regular attendees at matches is getting older can't be ignored. That's the balance they have to strike. That's what the vaccine is for no?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2021 10:47:31 GMT
I think there's way more evidence to suggest people are far more cautious than what some people want to believe.
That poll result for the vaccine passports shows it clearly, there's overwhelming support for shit like that.
It's not going to be as black and white as it all goes back to normal on the 21st.
The government even said when they announced it that it wouldn't social distancing measures would end.
It was a contrasting thing but they did.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 1, 2021 10:49:13 GMT
And if it doesn't happen then it ostracises that proportion of the fan base that don't feel safe going back to 'normal' straight away - which given that the demographic of regular attendees at matches is getting older can't be ignored. That's the balance they have to strike. That's what the vaccine is for no? I think that's too simplistic. You can't just say to a season ticket holder of say 40 years (ie loyal and valued customer and lifeblood of the club) who would like to go back but is nervous "You've had your jab now either get on with it or fuck off you daft owd codger". Nor should you.
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 1, 2021 10:58:58 GMT
I think there's way more evidence to suggest people are far more cautious than what some people want to believe. That poll result for the vaccine passports shows it clearly, there's overwhelming support for shit like that. It's not going to be as black and white as it all goes back to normal on the 21st. The government even said when they announced it that it wouldn't social distancing measures would end. It was a contrasting thing but they did. Those polls are just more propaganda and are not a true reflection. I don't know a single person that supports the vaccine passports, I also don't know a single person that took part in any polls, so go figure. If we don't return to normal this year, then we'll never return to normal. Like another poster has already touched on, the vaccination is the most we're ever going to get so if that isn't enough to return to normal, what is?
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 1, 2021 11:08:19 GMT
That's what the vaccine is for no? I think that's too simplistic. You can't just say to a season ticket holder of say 40 years (ie loyal and valued customer and lifeblood of the club) who would like to go back but is nervous "You've had your jab now either get on with it or fuck off you daft owd codger". Nor should you. Maybe you don't say it like that exactly but some people are nervous and some aren't. Those that aren't or accept the risks of everyday normality in the same way as they have always done should be able to fill stadiums, cinemas, theatres, concerts and festivals and save the hospitality and entertainment industry from oblivion. Those that feel nervous can stay safe, wherever it is that they feel safe and not curtail the quality of life for everyone else or cause businesses to go bust. I accept that there has to be some restraints until everyone has been offered a vaccine but thereafter it has to be normal life and normal risks. Bizarrely I think if there had been no vaccine discovered we'd be further ahead with returning to normal by now because we'd just have to get on with life! BM
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Post by lordb on Apr 1, 2021 11:11:49 GMT
I think there's way more evidence to suggest people are far more cautious than what some people want to believe. That poll result for the vaccine passports shows it clearly, there's overwhelming support for shit like that. It's not going to be as black and white as it all goes back to normal on the 21st. The government even said when they announced it that it wouldn't social distancing measures would end. It was a contrasting thing but they did. Those polls are just more propaganda and are not a true reflection. I don't know a single person that supports the vaccine passports, I also don't know a single person that took part in any polls, so go figure. If we don't return to normal this year, then we'll never return to normal. Like another poster has already touched on, the vaccination is the most we're ever going to get so if that isn't enough to return to normal, what is? the govt has been making off the record noises lately about possible restrictions for sporting events , this maybe typical govt (especially this govt but they all do it) procedure re making some noises about something to gauge reaction however until they make it clear one way or an other there has to be doubt as to whether there will be restrictions or not Then clubs will have to factor in that a % of their fanbase will have concerns about attending without any restrictions or measures & they may choose to apply some anyway You might think what a load of bollocks (apologies if you don't) nonetheless clubs have to think about all their fans
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