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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 13:07:19 GMT
It’s a shame. Club legend getting sacked. Havertz and Werner were world class last season. They haven’t settled and will come good next season but their failure has led to Lampard being sacked. It’s a shame as Lampard did well with the youngsters last season and Chelsea have some really good young players. They will definitely be better next season and Tuchel inherits a potentially brilliant squad. It's partly his failure as well as theirs though? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2021 13:11:49 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 25, 2021 13:17:04 GMT
Finishing sixth and losing in the play off final you forgot to mention after beating now premiership Leeds in the semi’s. As for calling players out in public I have no problem with that now and again when it’s deserved Yeah, you didn't answer my question Mutts. Why does finishing sixth in the Championship and losing in the play off final qualify you to take the manager's job at one of the biggest and richest clubs in the league? The thing about calling players out in public is you can't take the credit when they win and then blame the players when you lose. That, rightly, is going to breed resentment. A manager in his position really can't come out after every bad result and point the finger elsewhere constantly. You can say the same thing for practically every job going in football. Perhaps they should have gone for Chris Wilder. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 13:19:07 GMT
Yeah, you didn't answer my question Mutts. Why does finishing sixth in the Championship and losing in the play off final qualify you to take the manager's job at one of the biggest and richest clubs in the league? The thing about calling players out in public is you can't take the credit when they win and then blame the players when you lose. That, rightly, is going to breed resentment. A manager in his position really can't come out after every bad result and point the finger elsewhere constantly. You can say the same thing for practically every job going in football. Perhaps they should have gone for Chris Wilder. He's achieved more in management than Lampard has. Suffers from the same problem, players chucked under the bus every week. Will have the same outcome. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 25, 2021 13:20:24 GMT
It's a pretty crap Monday, one way or another, but you can always rely on the Vale for a reassuring attempt at a bit of humour. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 25, 2021 13:28:56 GMT
Really I thought all poor signings are down to the manager  At Chelsea? No it's the process Thankfully we don't use the same process, all our fcuk up's are down to the managers. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 25, 2021 13:30:10 GMT
Finishing sixth and losing in the play off final you forgot to mention after beating now premiership Leeds in the semi’s. As for calling players out in public I have no problem with that now and again when it’s deserved Yeah, you didn't answer my question Mutts. Why does finishing sixth in the Championship and losing in the play off final qualify you to take the manager's job at one of the biggest and richest clubs in the league? The thing about calling players out in public is you can't take the credit when they win and then blame the players when you lose. That, rightly, is going to breed resentment. A manager in his position really can't come out after every bad result and point the finger elsewhere constantly. Every bad result🤔can’t say I remember that. The reaction to him getting the job was overwhelmingly in favour from what I remember so I’m not so sure on that one.Yes he may consider himself slightly fortunate after his only experience at Derby but at the time I thought he’d do a good job and I still believe he would have done. Anyhow it’s not really something I want to spend time talking about when there’s nothing I can do except give my original opinion |
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 25, 2021 13:40:33 GMT
At Chelsea? No it's the process Thankfully we don't use the same process, all our fcuk up's are down to the managers. They have an owner who thinks it's a computer game and plays it like one. Lamps will be royally paid off, next. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 25, 2021 13:41:57 GMT
At Chelsea? No it's the process Thankfully we don't use the same process, all our fcuk up's are down to the managers. Some are e.g Afobe,Woods ,Rowett/Phillips decisions Some are down to NOT following the process, e.g. process brought up multiple reasons not to sign Berahino but Hughes got his way Hughes signings were very good until he had some money to spend. Not really sure there are many obvious signings we made that weren't down to the manager Bauer maybe/maybe not. Etebo for sure. Whereas at Chelsea it's abundantly clear the manager has multiple signings foistered upon him. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 13:49:00 GMT
Yeah, you didn't answer my question Mutts. Why does finishing sixth in the Championship and losing in the play off final qualify you to take the manager's job at one of the biggest and richest clubs in the league? The thing about calling players out in public is you can't take the credit when they win and then blame the players when you lose. That, rightly, is going to breed resentment. A manager in his position really can't come out after every bad result and point the finger elsewhere constantly. Every bad result🤔can’t say I remember that. The reaction to him getting the job was overwhelmingly in favour from what I remember so I’m not so sure on that one.Yes he may consider himself slightly fortunate after his only experience at Derby but at the time I thought he’d do a good job and I still believe he would have done. Anyhow it’s not really something I want to spend time talking about when there’s nothing I can do expect give my original opinion Not too fussed about the reaction at the time (who gives a fuck what Tony Cascarino/Jermaine Jenas/Alan Shearer/Jamie Redknapp thought, for instance?) but my recollection is that there were plenty of questions about his inexperience. He wouldn't have got within a 100 miles of if it wasn't for his status at the club based on his achievements as a player. I'm not sure he'd have done a good job or not, seems like his man management and tactical work have a long way to go... |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 25, 2021 14:04:50 GMT
I wonder who will be the next lucky club to benefit from the "Frank Lampard" branding experience. 'Frank Lampards Vale' ?  |
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Post by salopstick on Jan 25, 2021 14:09:55 GMT
He should never have gone there in first place but I understand the lure
Not many ex players make a great success at management at the clubs where they were most successful
I’m sure Denis said that’s why he didn’t take the stokejob
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 25, 2021 14:12:40 GMT
Mason Mount dislikes this.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 25, 2021 15:05:08 GMT
Stupid decision, I hate that bloody club.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 25, 2021 15:11:57 GMT
He should never have gone there in first place but I understand the lure Not many ex players make a great success at management at the clubs where they were most successful I’m sure Denis said that’s why he didn’t take the stokejob What are you on about? Chris Kamara took us to dizzying new heights. |
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Jan 25, 2021 16:09:22 GMT
Maybe he'll go to Celtic so that him and Gerrard can piss each other off all over again
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Post by phileetin on Jan 25, 2021 16:52:20 GMT
He's not Scottish or a Catholic
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Post by alsagerstokie on Jan 25, 2021 16:53:11 GMT
As many have said he shouldn't of got the job on the back of a year with Derby. Rooney will stay at Derby couple years or longer to get experience. The Club legend couldn't turn the club down. He was massively under pressure having spent what he has and a mini crisis he's paid the price.
Not Many managers are safe now. We don't feel to sorry for them because of the pay offs they get. The top leagues you get hardly any time.
I would say Klopp Guardiola are safe because what they have achieved. Rodgers because what he's doing. Dyche Wilder safe because they have sensible owners who actually think who can do a better job on budget and players we have. The theme of top flight Hasenhuttl should of gone after the 0-9 if you followed how it usually goes but they stuck with him and I think he's safe.
Everyone else I don't think for one minute is safe they are all a mini crisis away from Sack imo and when they take on the job they know this. Surprised Bruce hasn't got yet. I bet it's soon. Like Arteta I was sure he would get pushed but he didn't still could at some point tho. Ole not safe at all at United. Potter Parker Smith Mourinho Moyes Nuno no other managers are safe at all. Some take prem jobs knowing they will prob get a year or less.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jan 25, 2021 16:59:13 GMT
Job came too soon for him. Understand that it’s very difficult (perhaps impossible?) to turn down when they come calling but he hadn’t shown anywhere near enough at Derby to suggest he was ready for Chelsea IMO.
Would be interesting if Klopp left Liverpool tomorrow, for example, whether they would see Gerrard’s success at Rangers as enough reason to go for him or would hold off until he’d proved it further. And whether Gerrard would see himself as ready or be big enough to say not yet.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 25, 2021 17:27:14 GMT
Thankfully we don't use the same process, all our fcuk up's are down to the managers. Some are e.g Afobe,Woods ,Rowett/Phillips decisions Some are down to NOT following the process, e.g. process brought up multiple reasons not to sign Berahino but Hughes got his way Hughes signings were very good until he had some money to spend. Not really sure there are many obvious signings we made that weren't down to the manager Bauer maybe/maybe not. Etebo for sure. Whereas at Chelsea it's abundantly clear the manager has multiple signings foistered upon him. Badou Vokes Bauer contract extension at least
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 17:38:39 GMT
Some are e.g Afobe,Woods ,Rowett/Phillips decisions Some are down to NOT following the process, e.g. process brought up multiple reasons not to sign Berahino but Hughes got his way Hughes signings were very good until he had some money to spend. Not really sure there are many obvious signings we made that weren't down to the manager Bauer maybe/maybe not. Etebo for sure. Whereas at Chelsea it's abundantly clear the manager has multiple signings foistered upon him. Badou Vokes Bauer contract extension at least
Jones didn’t have Vokes foisted on him, he could’ve vetoed it and didn’t. Same with Batth. What percentage of the players we’ve signed over the last seven years or so would you say were foisted on the manager against his wishes? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 25, 2021 17:39:07 GMT
It was a stupid decision to give him the job in the first place, I wonder who their next Championship failed manager will be, Rowett maybe.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 25, 2021 17:41:25 GMT
Thankfully we don't use the same process, all our fcuk up's are down to the managers. Some are e.g Afobe,Woods ,Rowett/Phillips decisions Some are down to NOT following the process, e.g. process brought up multiple reasons not to sign Berahino but Hughes got his way Hughes signings were very good until he had some money to spend. Not really sure there are many obvious signings we made that weren't down to the manager Bauer maybe/maybe not. Etebo for sure. Whereas at Chelsea it's abundantly clear the manager has multiple signings foistered upon him. The Bera signing is still within the process as I understand it, the manager has the right to over rule or at least thats how it read when the Sentinel did the whole PR thing on it. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 25, 2021 17:50:30 GMT
It’s a shame. Club legend getting sacked. Havertz and Werner were world class last season. They haven’t settled and will come good next season but their failure has led to Lampard being sacked. It’s a shame as Lampard did well with the youngsters last season and Chelsea have some really good young players. They will definitely be better next season and Tuchel inherits a potentially brilliant squad. It's partly his failure as well as theirs though? Absolutely. They will get second and third chances. Lampard won’t. But even with the best manager in the world, some foreign players take 6 months or a season to adapt. It’s a bizarre strategy to massively back a club legend as manager in the transfer market to sign promising youngsters and then sack him so soon. Chelsea are still in the Champions League and FA cup and a few weeks ago they were top 4. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2021 17:55:08 GMT
It's partly his failure as well as theirs though? Absolutely. They will get second and third chances. Lampard won’t. But even with the best manager in the world, some foreign players take 6 months or a season to adapt. It’s a bizarre strategy to massively back a club legend as manager in the transfer market to sign promising youngsters and then sack him so soon. Chelsea are still in the Champions League and FA cup and a few weeks ago they were top 4. If Lampard’s a good manager, why wouldn’t he get another chance? He’ll have to prove himself somewhere else, that’s all. I agree it was a bizarre appointment in the first place. It sounds like they’ve taken the action they have because he was losing the dressing room. |
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jan 25, 2021 18:11:36 GMT
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Post by a on Jan 25, 2021 19:21:29 GMT
Got the job purely because he’s an ex player. There’s no way on God’s green earth they would appoint any other manager who had just 1 decent seasons experience in the Championship behind them. Absolutely. It was only ever going to go one way. |
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Post by Boothen on Jan 25, 2021 19:34:36 GMT
After observing how these kind of things are handled in Russia, I'm guessing Frank will be glad to get out of this alive 😱 Even more so when you look at how many people were murdered during the 'aluminium wars' so Abramovich could make his billions. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 25, 2021 20:16:47 GMT
Absolutely. They will get second and third chances. Lampard won’t. But even with the best manager in the world, some foreign players take 6 months or a season to adapt. It’s a bizarre strategy to massively back a club legend as manager in the transfer market to sign promising youngsters and then sack him so soon. Chelsea are still in the Champions League and FA cup and a few weeks ago they were top 4. If Lampard’s a good manager, why wouldn’t he get another chance? He’ll have to prove himself somewhere else, that’s all. I agree it was a bizarre appointment in the first place. It sounds like they’ve taken the action they have because he was losing the dressing room. You just knew it was going to end in tears Rob. Not quite as cringe worthy as the Giggs at United saga but not a million miles off. Lampard still needs to properly prove himself in the lower leagues for me - be it the Championship or elsewhere. |
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Post by Cns on Jan 25, 2021 20:42:47 GMT
Mason Mount dislikes this. So does Gareth Southgate, will he still be in starting 11 under next gaffer. |
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