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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 15:41:06 GMT
So you'd have said the same if the OP had said "that bloody Glen bloke"? I seriously doubt it mate. The question is whether such a thread would even exist if it was a man. Murphy was an embarrassment last night. Not a peep. I'm not disagreeing that the thread title is a poorly worded one, because if you take it in isolation it isn't great. I was merely questioning the General implying he would be equally offended if it was about Glen Hoddle, I disagree completely. This thread was always going to take this path though as soon as it was posted, just like all the others do on these subjects.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 15:41:31 GMT
So you'd have said the same if the OP had said "that bloody Glen bloke"? I seriously doubt it mate. I meant if he was equally disrespectful, it doesn't have to be the same words said. The Oatcake is full of people slagging off commentators and pundits at every turn and I just find it weird, why feel the need to a) publicly vent it? And b) do it in a way which is disrespectful? At least be constructive about it. Anyway, I'm out now. Fair enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 15:42:44 GMT
True, she is one of the better presenters but like Kirsty Gallagher and Gaby Logan she didnt get the job entirely on merit. Does any ex pro get the job ‘entirely on merit’? Some proper thick bastards still walk into these cushy gigs, are we saying Paul Merson was hired for his erudite analysis? does anyone take Merson seriously? Hes there to take the piss out of. But what he can do is talk about playing at the highest level and no matter how many international caps some of these female ex players have its not the same
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Post by christhepotter on Jan 24, 2021 15:43:56 GMT
Would that mean that even if there was a knowledgeable, articulate woman providing real insight you’d still be against it mate? With the exception of Laura Woods on TV I’m yet to find one. 5live should be an example of all media outlets how not to do it Isa Guha is a fabulous cricket commentator, but the other woman are awful , and they got rid of Boycott so they could bring a female black person in to fit their diversity agenda
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2021 15:44:21 GMT
The question is whether such a thread would even exist if it was a man. Murphy was an embarrassment last night. Not a peep. I'm not disagreeing that the thread title is a poorly worded one, because if you take it in isolation it isn't great. I was merely questioning the General implying he would be equally offended if it was about Glen Hoddle, I disagree completely. This thread was always going to take this path though as soon as it was posted, just like all the others do on these subjects. Yeah, and my point is that there wouldn’t be one on Glenn Hoddle. The quality bar is somehow a lot lot lower when it comes to what people will tolerate from the male ex pros in the industry.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2021 15:46:27 GMT
Does any ex pro get the job ‘entirely on merit’? Some proper thick bastards still walk into these cushy gigs, are we saying Paul Merson was hired for his erudite analysis? does anyone take Merson seriously? Hes there to take the piss out of. But what he can do is talk about playing at the highest level and no matter how many international caps some of these female ex players have its not the same He can’t talk about it well though and a lot of what he says is nonsense. Unless we’re saying just having played at the highest level automatically qualifies you for the gig even if you’re as thick as two short planks? There’s numerous successful managers who never played at the highest level let alone commentators, why is that any kind of prerequisite?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 24, 2021 15:46:31 GMT
With the exception of Laura Woods on TV I’m yet to find one. 5live should be an example of all media outlets how not to do it Isa Guha is a fabulous cricket commentator, but the other woman are awful , and they got rid of Boycott so they could bring a female black person in to fit their diversity agenda You won’t find me arguing on that front mate
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2021 15:47:37 GMT
With the exception of Laura Woods on TV I’m yet to find one. 5live should be an example of all media outlets how not to do it Isa Guha is a fabulous cricket commentator, but the other woman are awful , and they got rid of Boycott so they could bring a female black person in to fit their diversity agenda Ebony Rainford-Brent has been on TMS for years, are you seriously suggesting she was the reason Geoffrey left?
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Post by walton corner on Jan 24, 2021 15:49:20 GMT
All the tip tap diversity equality ......what is wrong with simply hating women in men’s football.....if that’s my view that’s my view ...if you like women in football that is your view ....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2021 15:51:12 GMT
All the tip tap diversity equality ......what is wrong with simply hating women in men’s football.....if that’s my view that’s my view ...if you like women in football that is your view .... It just seems like a bit of a mindless prejudice, that’s all.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 15:51:38 GMT
What a sorry state of affairs when you can’t criticise a poor performance by a woman without being dived on as a misogynistic pig who hates women. OK the title of the thread could have been a little more respectful, but that’s just a poor choice of language. Aren’t we all meant to be equal? Take the good with the bad. A few female commentators/presenters have been praised because they’re good at their job and a few have been criticised just like the men are.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 15:52:55 GMT
With the exception of Laura Woods on TV I’m yet to find one. 5live should be an example of all media outlets how not to do it Isa Guha is a fabulous cricket commentator, but the other woman are awful , and they got rid of Boycott so they could bring a female black person in to fit their diversity agenda I agree about Isa Guha, she’s great. The others not so much.
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Post by datguy on Jan 24, 2021 15:54:21 GMT
All the tip tap diversity equality ......what is wrong with simply hating women in men’s football.....if that’s my view that’s my view ...if you like women in football that is your view .... Would say an awful lot about you though wouldn't it mate? It's all well and good saying 'that's my opinion mate' or 'each to their own mate' but you've got to accept the consequences to it when it's quite clearly based on something beyond constructive criticism. Would this thread have been started if it wasn't a woman? Almost certainly not. And that's the huge gleaming problem.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 24, 2021 15:55:28 GMT
does anyone take Merson seriously? Hes there to take the piss out of. But what he can do is talk about playing at the highest level and no matter how many international caps some of these female ex players have its not the same He can’t talk about it well though and a lot of what he says is nonsense. Unless we’re saying just having played at the highest level automatically qualifies you for the gig even if you’re as thick as two short planks? There’s numerous successful managers who never played at the highest level let alone commentators, why is that any kind of prerequisite? I guess a lot depends on what role your filling. Some male or female are suited to one and not the other Commentary is a real skill as it’s so here and now and you have to be incredibly intelligent and be able to think on your feet. Soccer Saturday is or was a bit old school and HT Analysts you need a good personality I really like Richards who’s like a breath of fresh air. Keane, Souness and Neville are also excellent and know there stuff. Linekar is awful.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2021 15:55:52 GMT
What a sorry state of affairs when you can’t criticise a poor performance by a woman without being dived on as a misogynistic pig who hates women. OK the title of the thread could have been a little more respectful, but that’s just a poor choice of language. Aren’t we all meant to be equal? Take the good with the bad. A few female commentators/presenters have been praised because they’re good at their job and a few have been criticised just like the men are. You've just said it yourself, it was the thread title I was commenting on. So is it fair I've had to defend myself for not liking a disrespectful tone?.. I said on multiple occasions I had zero issue with criticising her in a constructive way It works both ways.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 15:55:56 GMT
Isa Guha is a fabulous cricket commentator, but the other woman are awful , and they got rid of Boycott so they could bring a female black person in to fit their diversity agenda Ebony Rainford-Brent has been on TMS for years, are you seriously suggesting she was the reason Geoffrey left? She has but she is as dull as ditch water and just fluffs around the edges. I agree though that that’s not why Boycott was canned.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 15:56:58 GMT
What a sorry state of affairs when you can’t criticise a poor performance by a woman without being dived on as a misogynistic pig who hates women. OK the title of the thread could have been a little more respectful, but that’s just a poor choice of language. Aren’t we all meant to be equal? Take the good with the bad. A few female commentators/presenters have been praised because they’re good at their job and a few have been criticised just like the men are. You've just said it yourself, it was the thread title I was commenting on. So is it fair I've had to defend myself for not liking a disrespectful tone?.. I said on multiple occasions I had zero issue with criticising her in a constructive way It works both ways. I’ve not said you were wrong, I’ll leave that to others
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2021 15:57:31 GMT
Ebony Rainford-Brent has been on TMS for years, are you seriously suggesting she was the reason Geoffrey left? She has but she is as dull as ditch water and just fluffs around the edges. I agree though that that’s not why Boycott was canned. She is a total nothing pundit I agree.
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Post by datguy on Jan 24, 2021 15:57:43 GMT
What a sorry state of affairs when you can’t criticise a poor performance by a woman without being dived on as a misogynistic pig who hates women. OK the title of the thread could have been a little more respectful, but that’s just a poor choice of language. Aren’t we all meant to be equal? Take the good with the bad. A few female commentators/presenters have been praised because they’re good at their job and a few have been criticised just like the men are. There's your seal of fate. Crapslinger has liked your post.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 24, 2021 15:59:09 GMT
Gottta love the sheer comedy gold in this thread - the stellar irony on offer is 👌🏻.
A load of old white blokes that have never been anywhere near professional football and who come from a land that has its own dialect that no one else in the world understands are getting narked off with the credibility and quality of tone from a former English International footballer/full time professional pundit.
Oh and somewhere I think someone mentioned their gripe was because it happens to be a woman too. 😂
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 24, 2021 15:59:36 GMT
I don't know how a certain poster manages to argue/debate for multiple hours every day like this, I'm knackered
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 15:59:55 GMT
What a sorry state of affairs when you can’t criticise a poor performance by a woman without being dived on as a misogynistic pig who hates women. OK the title of the thread could have been a little more respectful, but that’s just a poor choice of language. Aren’t we all meant to be equal? Take the good with the bad. A few female commentators/presenters have been praised because they’re good at their job and a few have been criticised just like the men are. There's your seal of fate. Crapslinger has liked your post. What are you trying to say with that comment?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 16:01:54 GMT
All the tip tap diversity equality ......what is wrong with simply hating women in men’s football.....if that’s my view that’s my view ...if you like women in football that is your view .... Would say an awful lot about you though wouldn't it mate? It's all well and good saying 'that's my opinion mate' or 'each to their own mate' but you've got to accept the consequences to it when it's quite clearly based on something beyond constructive criticism. Would this thread have been started if it wasn't a woman? Almost certainly not. And that's the huge gleaming problem. To be fair, there are plenty of threads on here daily, slagging blokes off who are deemed no good at their profession.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 24, 2021 16:07:00 GMT
Thinking about it, does anyone know of any commentator(football) who doesn’t have an annoying voice? I’m struggling🤔 It was more the volume with “Karen”. Like a bloody foghorn😏 Very annoying voice poor commentator is that the best the BBC can come up with FFS.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 24, 2021 16:09:29 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 24, 2021 16:10:07 GMT
There's your seal of fate. Crapslinger has liked your post. What are you trying to say with that comment? He's just proving his wokeness to you matey
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 24, 2021 16:13:09 GMT
Thinking about it, does anyone know of any commentator(football) who doesn’t have an annoying voice? I’m struggling🤔 It was more the volume with “Karen”. Like a bloody foghorn😏 Very annoying voice poor commentator is that the best the BBC can come up with FFS. She just seems monotone to me. Marginally better than Jermaine Beckford though..... he seems very nervous about saying the wrong thing all the time. Just tell it like it is I say
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Post by kerouac on Jan 24, 2021 16:15:04 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 16:19:38 GMT
That bloody woman?... always nice to time travel back in time on The Oatcake. What would you prefer the woman to be called? Women aren’t immune to criticism are they? As long as you complement her blouse it shouldn’t be an issue
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 24, 2021 16:22:57 GMT
Very clever how you’ve taken on the mantle of the police officer by apologising for any offence 😀
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