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Post by potterburt on Jan 22, 2021 22:33:23 GMT
I do see this thread as bit of scapegoat trolling.... but the we always gotta have a match day villain!
Think the bigger question is not who but how?
Bursik although young has proved he warrants to be a No 1 championship teams goalkeeper ( he would need an old seasoned backup).
Davies was brought in to be replacement for Butland - who didn’t end up leaving and so Davies either got messed around or didn’t shine to the right people in the right way to overhaul Butland / Fedirici. When jack left us he was given the full green light he did bloody good for us
Gunn - very good seasoned Keeper that is unlucky not to be top spot at a lower prem club - seems he is here till the end of the season no matter what.
So if one needs to go out on loan and toss up is Bursik or Davies - my next question to those that want Davies as No1 (meaning likely hood Bursik goes out on loan).... what if Davies went out on loan which in turn freed up the wages/ability for us to sign a Forward on loan that might bag us a few goals??? Would you go for that?
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 22, 2021 22:33:25 GMT
Stoke supporters can be very strange sometimes. Bursik is an outstanding prospect who has performed above all expectations and showed great maturity after being thrown in. He's already seen off a challenge from two experienced goalkeepers brought in to replace him. Davies had some good form at the start of this season but has a number of longer term issues that we saw in his occasional appearances prior to that. He's excellent at one-on-ones, but his handling leaves a lot to be desired, especially his Pickford-esque tendency to push the ball out into the danger area. Gunn is a bit of an unknown quantity who we're hoping hasn't gone into a Butland-style career nosedive over the last couple of years. Potentially a shrewd signing, but by no means guaranteed to do any better than Bursik. I just don't understand why some parts of our support are so keen to turn on the 20 year old home grown player who's doing a perfectly decent job at the first sign of a mistake. It's not turning on him, it's just pointing out that he's made some poor errors lately. His shot stopping has been consistently poor and, while he's absolutely a good prospect, at this moment he's quite clearly not as good as Davies and probably Gunn so shouldn't be starting if either one of them is fit. It's not saying he's rubbish or that he's the problem, but he shouldn't currently be our number 1.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:35:42 GMT
They get reamed like any other player when they deserve it( and from you also).He cost us the pen and arguably the 2nd🤔I do t see what is wrong with saying that.I’m pretty sure he’d say the same himself sand yes we gave other big issues They were reemed before they were given a shot in the first team Have a look at the old Souttar threads, have a look at the Bursik thread after his debut, have a look at the Campbell threads when he first came into the side Stoke fans can’t handle young lads playing and are always deemed “not ready” Thankfully the manager doesn’t read this place I would say that the young players get cut more slack to be honest(rightly so at times) but it’s knowing when to take them out the firing line
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Post by skiptomylou on Jan 22, 2021 22:36:12 GMT
Stoke supporters can be very strange sometimes. Bursik is an outstanding prospect who has performed above all expectations and showed great maturity after being thrown in. He's already seen off a challenge from two experienced goalkeepers brought in to replace him. Davies had some good form at the start of this season but has a number of longer term issues that we saw in his occasional appearances prior to that. He's excellent at one-on-ones, but his handling leaves a lot to be desired, especially his Pickford-esque tendency to push the ball out into the danger area. Gunn is a bit of an unknown quantity who we're hoping hasn't gone into a Butland-style career nosedive over the last couple of years. Potentially a shrewd signing, but by no means guaranteed to do any better than Bursik. I just don't understand why some parts of our support are so keen to turn on the 20 year old home grown player who's doing a perfectly decent job at the first sign of a mistake. The young lad has done well enough up to now, wouldn't say hes seen of the challenge of two senior keepers though. They've only been back in training a week and hes made errors in the last 3 games.
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:36:41 GMT
They were reemed before they were given a shot in the first team Have a look at the old Souttar threads, have a look at the Bursik thread after his debut, have a look at the Campbell threads when he first came into the side Stoke fans can’t handle young lads playing and are always deemed “not ready” Thankfully the manager doesn’t read this place I would say that the young players get cut more slack to be honest(rightly so at times) but it’s knowing when to take them out the firing line Souttar was slaughtered
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:38:35 GMT
I would say that the young players get cut more slack to be honest(rightly so at times) but it’s knowing when to take them out the firing line Souttar was slaughtered For his lack of pace he was at Fleetwood yes
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:05 GMT
I do see this thread as bit of scapegoat trolling.... but the we always gotta have a match day villain! Think the bigger question is not who but how? Bursik although young has proved he warrants to be a No 1 championship teams goalkeeper ( he would need an old seasoned backup). Davies was brought in to be replacement for Butland - who didn’t end up leaving and so Davies either got messed around or didn’t shine to the right people in the right way to overhaul Butland / Fedirici. When jack left us he was given the full green light he did bloody good for us Gunn - very good seasoned Keeper that is unlucky not to be top spot at a lower prem club - seems he is here till the end of the season no matter what. So if one needs to go out on loan and toss up is Bursik or Davies - my next question to those that want Davies as No1 (meaning likely hood Bursik goes out on loan).... what if Davies went out on loan which in turn freed up the wages/ability for us to sign a Forward on loan that might bag us a few goals??? Would you go for that? Surely can't loan out Davies. He was brilliant before getting injured and I can't imagine the wages for a goalkeeper who we signed from a promoted league one team would free up wages for a remotely decent striker anyway. I'd play Davies, Gunn as number 2 for the rest of the season and who knows for Joe. It's an awkward one to manage given they're all decent, but I think we've seen evidence that Joe might need to develop a little at a lower level where he's more guaranteed to be the starter.
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Post by devsad on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:22 GMT
Bursik is definitely not the main problem and has exceeded my expectations but he has definitely not proved himself to be a great shot stopper at the moment. The other two are better.
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:39:29 GMT
For his lack of pace he was at Fleetwood yes After he played at Forest he was written off, just as he was whilst on loan at fleetwood ....have a look
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:40:17 GMT
For his lack of pace he was at Fleetwood yes After he played at Forest ....have a look Which game against Forest?
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:40:51 GMT
After he played at Forest ....have a look Which game against Forest? The cup tie
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:42:16 GMT
Which game against Forest? The cup tie We haven’t played Forest in the cup🤔
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:44:17 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:45:45 GMT
Sorry I bow to your superior knowledge 😄😊I forgot about that game but it was a while ago
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:46:20 GMT
Sorry I bow to your superior knowledge 😄😊I forgot about that game but it was a while ago He was written off mate
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Post by lancashirelad on Jan 22, 2021 22:46:22 GMT
We haven’t played Forest in the cup🤔 League cup a couple of years ago.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:47:20 GMT
Sorry I bow to your superior knowledge 😄😊I forgot about that game but it was a while ago He was written off mate Did I write him off🤣
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Post by werrington on Jan 22, 2021 22:47:49 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:48:36 GMT
🤣I knew you delving into this too much you bastard 😄
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:49:57 GMT
For his lack of pace he was at Fleetwood yes After he played at Forest he was written off, just as he was whilst on loan at fleetwood ....have a look I thought he played ok in the cup game at forest. Made one clumsy error but showed his potential. I only saw him play 3 televised games for Fleetwood. Each time he was terrible, particularly in the 2 play off games v wycombe.
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Post by potterburt on Jan 22, 2021 22:52:31 GMT
I do see this thread as bit of scapegoat trolling.... but the we always gotta have a match day villain! Think the bigger question is not who but how? Bursik although young has proved he warrants to be a No 1 championship teams goalkeeper ( he would need an old seasoned backup). Davies was brought in to be replacement for Butland - who didn’t end up leaving and so Davies either got messed around or didn’t shine to the right people in the right way to overhaul Butland / Fedirici. When jack left us he was given the full green light he did bloody good for us Gunn - very good seasoned Keeper that is unlucky not to be top spot at a lower prem club - seems he is here till the end of the season no matter what. So if one needs to go out on loan and toss up is Bursik or Davies - my next question to those that want Davies as No1 (meaning likely hood Bursik goes out on loan).... what if Davies went out on loan which in turn freed up the wages/ability for us to sign a Forward on loan that might bag us a few goals??? Would you go for that? Surely can't loan out Davies. He was brilliant before getting injured and I can't imagine the wages for a goalkeeper who we signed from a promoted league one team would free up wages for a remotely decent striker anyway. I'd play Davies, Gunn as number 2 for the rest of the season and who knows for Joe. It's an awkward one to manage given they're all decent, but I think we've seen evidence that Joe might need to develop a little at a lower level where he's more guaranteed to be the starter. Yeah I hear ya, tbh, come Feb I’d be happy with which ever conglomerate of keepers we end up with as they’re all top notch. Wages - at a guess Davies would be £10-20k per week (signed as no2/possible no1) considering Jack B must have been at least £30k+ Bursik - what? Likely on £1-4K per week? Less Davies wages would allow for a lot more to come in than sending Davies out. *** Not saying that we should send anyone out, just merely curious and I’m curious as to those fans that are shouting ‘get a striker in’ - as to whether they would be happy for Davies out on loan to allow for a Cosgrove or similar calibre striker to come in as a result of the ease on wages?
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 22, 2021 22:52:39 GMT
I think Bursik has been excellent considering the circumstances that he came into the team and after a dodgy start became a decent and solid keeper. However, Davies was outstanding prior to his injury and I think he should come back into the starting line up with Bursik on the bench and negotiate a settlement to send Gunn back to Soton.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jan 22, 2021 22:52:49 GMT
Bursik deserves to stay as No. 1 certainly for the next game or so. He and Davies need to compete for the rest of the season as they will hopefully battle it out for for the No. 1 spot next season.
We still have a chance of promotion via the play offs but in the background get the team ready to challenge for next season.
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Post by Davef on Jan 22, 2021 22:53:42 GMT
What's he done wrong tonight exactly? His first save was very good and he just couldn't get to the second ball before the striker. You see that kind of thing all the time from goalkeepers with hundreds more appearances than Joe has made.
At least he didn't flop pathetically the wrong way for the penalty.
Not much he could do for the second goal.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:54:41 GMT
What's he done wrong tonight exactly? His first save was very good and he just couldn't get to the second ball before the striker. You see that kind of thing all the time from goalkeepers with hundreds more appearances than Joe has made. At least he didn't flop pathetically the wrong way for the penalty. Not much he could do for the second goal. Really🤔
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Post by liathroid on Jan 22, 2021 22:56:12 GMT
What's he done wrong tonight exactly? His first save was very good and he just couldn't get to the second ball before the striker. You see that kind of thing all the time from goalkeepers with hundreds more appearances than Joe has made. At least he didn't flop pathetically the wrong way for the penalty. Not much he could do for the second goal. Really🤔 bounced in front of him , watch it
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Post by brizzlestokie on Jan 22, 2021 22:56:24 GMT
I think Bursik has been excellent considering the circumstances that he came into the team and after a dodgy start became a decent and solid keeper. However, Davies was outstanding prior to his injury and I think he should come back into the starting line up with Bursik on the bench and negotiate a settlement to send Gunn back to Soton. I'd imagine that if sending Gunn back was an option we'd have done it by now? But yeah, no real point in having him now with Davies and Bursik both at the club.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:56:44 GMT
What's he done wrong tonight exactly? His first save was very good and he just couldn't get to the second ball before the striker. You see that kind of thing all the time from goalkeepers with hundreds more appearances than Joe has made. At least he didn't flop pathetically the wrong way for the penalty. Not much he could do for the second goal. Are we exonerating him on the 2nd because of the bounce? It was a great finish to be fair, right in corner, but I think he will be a little disappointed not to have saved it.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 22, 2021 22:57:24 GMT
Angus Gunn is the best goalkeeper at the club. He needs to come back in for the next game Davies was immaculate before he got injured so no brainier to put him back in. How can you possibly say Gunn is better when he played hardly any games ? Not a great deal to chose between the two. I’d be happy enough for Davies to come back in. Bursik has done well generally but I’d take him out of the firing line now.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 22, 2021 22:58:42 GMT
bounced in front of him , watch it The game was 0-0 and he gave a penalty away which for me was a massive goal in this game,the 2nd he should have done better with in my opinion,if you don’t agree fair enough
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