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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:22:42 GMT
You’re incapable of rational thought when it comes to Allen. I think we’ve missed him today. My thoughts have always been rational with him. He’s an absolute Jonah. If we had got rid when I wanted the club would be in a much better place. If you say so. Drifting off into a parallel universe and repeating it twelve zillion times won’t ever make it true.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 14:29:00 GMT
My thoughts have always been rational with him. He’s an absolute Jonah. If we had got rid when I wanted the club would be in a much better place. If you say so. Drifting off into a parallel universe and repeating it twelve zillion times won’t ever make it true. No but us not having a midfield in the time he’s been here does.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:29:52 GMT
If you say so. Drifting off into a parallel universe and repeating it twelve zillion times won’t ever make it true. No but us not having a midfield in the time he’s been here does. Yeah, so you keep saying. 😴
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Post by pembo82 on Apr 17, 2021 14:57:49 GMT
Bayern confirming evermore his stupidity with every opinion he has on Joe Allen.
It’s amazing how much knowledge he has compared to professionals within football!!
It should be bottled up and given when completing coaching badges.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 15:03:58 GMT
Bayern confirming evermore his stupidity with every opinion he has on Joe Allen. It’s amazing how much knowledge he has compared to professionals within football!! It should be bottled up and given when completing coaching badges. Ah yeah these wonderful professionals. Who since Allen has been here have presided over the club being relegated, nearly being relegated again and generally being shit. The one constant is Allen. But he’s great and not been a part of that in the slightest. Is Hughes the longest serving manager he’s had here? That tells its own story.
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Post by pembo82 on Apr 17, 2021 15:14:57 GMT
Bayern confirming evermore his stupidity with every opinion he has on Joe Allen. It’s amazing how much knowledge he has compared to professionals within football!! It should be bottled up and given when completing coaching badges. Ah yeah these wonderful professionals. Who since Allen has been here have presided over the club being relegated, nearly being relegated again and generally being shit. The one constant is Allen. But he’s great and not been a part of that in the slightest. Is Hughes the longest serving manager he’s had here? That tells its own story. You are more foolish with every comment. The fact he’s stuck around when things have gone wrong is commendable. It’s well documented that he could have moved on when we were relegated and was wanted by clubs in the premier league. They must also not know how bad player he is. He has been linked with clubs every year but yet he stays. His discipline is good 1 red card in his whole career.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 15:22:40 GMT
Ah yeah these wonderful professionals. Who since Allen has been here have presided over the club being relegated, nearly being relegated again and generally being shit. The one constant is Allen. But he’s great and not been a part of that in the slightest. Is Hughes the longest serving manager he’s had here? That tells its own story. You are more foolish with every comment. The fact he’s stuck around when things have gone wrong is commendable. It’s well documented that he could have moved on when we were relegated and was wanted by clubs in the premier league. They must also not know how bad player he is. He has been linked with clubs every year but yet he stays. His discipline is good 1 red card in his whole career. Is it? Who wanted him? Who bid for him? He was given PL wages in the Championship. It’s not commendable at all. But it’s not something I’d have a go at him for because it was a ridiculous decision by the club and I would have done the same. His discipline at keeping shape and helping his team is awful. He’s awol far too often doesn’t know where to stand really. Forever on the wrong side of his man, not goalside. He’s awful. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken.
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Post by pembo82 on Apr 17, 2021 15:29:04 GMT
You are more foolish with every comment. The fact he’s stuck around when things have gone wrong is commendable. It’s well documented that he could have moved on when we were relegated and was wanted by clubs in the premier league. They must also not know how bad player he is. He has been linked with clubs every year but yet he stays. His discipline is good 1 red card in his whole career. Is it? Who wanted him? Who bid for him? He was given PL wages in the Championship. It’s not commendable at all. But it’s not something I’d have a go at him for because it was a ridiculous decision by the club and I would have done the same. His discipline at keeping shape and helping his team is awful. He’s awol far too often doesn’t know where to stand really. Forever on the wrong side of his man, not goalside. He’s awful. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken. I’m pretty sure he took a pay cut when he signed his new contract. That’s pretty commendable when players around him were happy to keep taking money with no commitment to the club at all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 17:09:37 GMT
Is it? Who wanted him? Who bid for him? He was given PL wages in the Championship. It’s not commendable at all. But it’s not something I’d have a go at him for because it was a ridiculous decision by the club and I would have done the same. His discipline at keeping shape and helping his team is awful. He’s awol far too often doesn’t know where to stand really. Forever on the wrong side of his man, not goalside. He’s awful. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken. I’m pretty sure he took a pay cut when he signed his new contract. That’s pretty commendable when players around him were happy to keep taking money with no commitment to the club at all. It was reported that he was offered the same money he was on in the PL. Same for Bauer. Everyone else had theirs cut. Like I said I have no issue with that from his POV. I’d have taken it. But from what I know, what you’re saying just wasn’t the case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 17:41:31 GMT
Bayern confirming evermore his stupidity with every opinion he has on Joe Allen. It’s amazing how much knowledge he has compared to professionals within football!! It should be bottled up and given when completing coaching badges. I agree with Bayern. We look far better without Allen. The sooner we fuck the fraud off the better.
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Post by marylandstoke on Apr 17, 2021 18:02:41 GMT
You are more foolish with every comment. The fact he’s stuck around when things have gone wrong is commendable. It’s well documented that he could have moved on when we were relegated and was wanted by clubs in the premier league. They must also not know how bad player he is. He has been linked with clubs every year but yet he stays. His discipline is good 1 red card in his whole career. Is it? Who wanted him? Who bid for him? He was given PL wages in the Championship. It’s not commendable at all. But it’s not something I’d have a go at him for because it was a ridiculous decision by the club and I would have done the same. His discipline at keeping shape and helping his team is awful. He’s awol far too often doesn’t know where to stand really. Forever on the wrong side of his man, not goalside. He’s awful. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken. Terribly unfair...I always like to picture it as a Springer Spaniel chasing a balloon.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 17, 2021 22:17:35 GMT
He's on about 60k a week and delivered very little.
No wonder we cant bring any decent players in.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 17, 2021 22:24:27 GMT
What is it exactly that he gives us that we miss when he doesn’t play?
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Post by potterburt on Apr 17, 2021 22:30:25 GMT
What is it exactly that he gives us that we miss when he doesn’t play? 🤔 how would one ever answer this....??? What he gives when he doesn’t play is a place free for someone else to play...? 🤷🏻♂️ But it has been for so long nothing offered, done, influenced from him. And it has only ever been the odd lucky moment and they were the odd few moments in first 1-2 seasons in the prem. Think some fans see him as bit of a celeb player and like the idea of him - I like the idea of driving a Bugatti but it’s fucking useless in ploughing the fields.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2021 0:03:12 GMT
What is it exactly that he gives us that we miss when he doesn’t play? The ability to receive the ball on the half turn from the defence and carry the ball forward. He’s technically still very capable, and has the skill to pick a pass that might have created something in a tight game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 18, 2021 8:30:03 GMT
What is it exactly that he gives us that we miss when he doesn’t play? The ability to receive the ball on the half turn from the defence and carry the ball forward. He’s technically still very capable, and has the skill to pick a pass that might have created something in a tight game. See I don’t think this season we’ve missed that. Thompson’s limited but can do that stuff too. So, with the right protection, can Mikel.
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Post by Mr Ron Agent on Apr 18, 2021 8:42:35 GMT
Yes, we’ve certainly missed Allen. Since his injury, performances and results have taken a serious turn for the worse.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2021 8:58:44 GMT
What is it exactly that he gives us that we miss when he doesn’t play? The ability to receive the ball on the half turn from the defence and carry the ball forward. He’s technically still very capable, and has the skill to pick a pass that might have created something in a tight game. Touch of a rapist, vision of a mole. If we’re relying on him for picking the passes to open teams up ever likely we’re so shit.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 18, 2021 9:04:44 GMT
One of our best players last year - like a few of our players who go out on a long-term injury - he has not come back the same player.
Hope he does not end up on the Bojan, Butland pile - he has shown one or two glimpses but, on the whole, has really struggled to keep up with the pace of the game since his return.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 18, 2021 9:05:49 GMT
The one positive at the moment is not having to watch this clown run around aimlessly into other players, down blind alleys, fail to trap a football, lose possession, not stick to his position and generally stink the place out.
Pay him up and fuck him off.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2021 9:43:46 GMT
The ability to receive the ball on the half turn from the defence and carry the ball forward. He’s technically still very capable, and has the skill to pick a pass that might have created something in a tight game. Touch of a rapist, vision of a mole. If we’re relying on him for picking the passes to open teams up ever likely we’re so shit. And yet he’s still the best midfielder player we have. This shit player who’s played for Liverpool for years and has over 50 international caps.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2021 11:39:26 GMT
Touch of a rapist, vision of a mole. If we’re relying on him for picking the passes to open teams up ever likely we’re so shit. And yet he’s still the best midfielder player we have. This shit player who’s played for Liverpool for years and has over 50 international caps. Sounds like Crouch couldn’t stand him either.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 18, 2021 12:02:28 GMT
He gets praise because he wins tackles, but people overlook the fact that the only reason he has to make them is that his first touch is so toss
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Post by thehoof on Apr 18, 2021 12:11:46 GMT
He is quicker than Mikel, he creates more than Mikel and he lasts longer than Mikel. Neither of them are what is needed.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 18, 2021 12:12:34 GMT
And yet he’s still the best midfielder player we have. This shit player who’s played for Liverpool for years and has over 50 international caps. Sounds like Crouch couldn’t stand him either. Why do you say that? What’s Crouch said about him?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 18, 2021 14:46:52 GMT
Is it? Who wanted him? Who bid for him? He was given PL wages in the Championship. It’s not commendable at all. But it’s not something I’d have a go at him for because it was a ridiculous decision by the club and I would have done the same. His discipline at keeping shape and helping his team is awful. He’s awol far too often doesn’t know where to stand really. Forever on the wrong side of his man, not goalside. He’s awful. But he runs around a lot like a headless chicken. I’m pretty sure he took a pay cut when he signed his new contract. That’s pretty commendable when players around him were happy to keep taking money with no commitment to the club at all. Greetings Pembo and welcome to the oatcake. You have fallen into the trap that every newcomer experiences, arguing with Bayern. It’s like wrestling a greasy pig, you will get messy while the pig enjoys it. Make your point and get out because he always wants the last word. Most times Bayern is correct because he knows his stuff, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. I am actually with him on Joe Allen. He accomplished a lot when he first joined under Hughes and contributed important goals. However, he has no discipline and frequently gets out of position. That worked well in his early days because Allen was surrounded by very good players that kept the shape of team, allowing him to roam free. Now we don’t have that luxury. Allen is not the only reason for the slide in second half of the season but re-introducing him has unbalanced an otherwise settled team.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 18, 2021 16:44:40 GMT
Sounds like Crouch couldn’t stand him either. Why do you say that? What’s Crouch said about him? I assume you’d have said Crouch was the best striker we had, he’d played for Liverpool and had x No of international caps. Did/do either of them make our team more effective or interesting to watch?
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Post by pez75 on Apr 19, 2021 10:36:46 GMT
I’m pretty sure he took a pay cut when he signed his new contract. That’s pretty commendable when players around him were happy to keep taking money with no commitment to the club at all. It was reported that he was offered the same money he was on in the PL. Same for Bauer. Everyone else had theirs cut. Like I said I have no issue with that from his POV. I’d have taken it. But from what I know, what you’re saying just wasn’t the case. You ae forgetting Ryan - did he not do the same?
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Post by hardcastle on Apr 20, 2021 18:28:56 GMT
One of our best players last year - like a few of our players who go out on a long-term injury - he has not come back the same player. Hope he does not end up on the Bojan, Butland pile - he has shown one or two glimpses but, on the whole, has really struggled to keep up with the pace of the game since his return. This is where l stand too on the Joe Allen 'question'. It's unfair to judge him on what we've seen of him this season - both he and Clucas have come back from serious injury well off the pace, unable to reproduce their previous form. But we shouldn't use that to cloud the fact that in the months leading up to March 2020, when the team was playing well, Joe was an important part of that. How do the knockers explain that?
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 21, 2021 1:57:44 GMT
One of our best players last year - like a few of our players who go out on a long-term injury - he has not come back the same player. Hope he does not end up on the Bojan, Butland pile - he has shown one or two glimpses but, on the whole, has really struggled to keep up with the pace of the game since his return. This is where l stand too on the Joe Allen 'question'. It's unfair to judge him on what we've seen of him this season - both he and Clucas have come back from serious injury well off the pace, unable to reproduce their previous form. But we shouldn't use that to cloud the fact that in the months leading up to March 2020, when the team was playing well, Joe was an important part of that. How do the knockers explain that? No one can explain claptrap. I must admit Joe hasn't been the same since his injury. He was an expensive flop pre injury and a total disaster post injury.
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