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Post by bolly_premprem on Apr 2, 2021 22:01:02 GMT
say what you want about Allen, whether he is good or not, but it cannot be a coincidence, that stoke run of bad results line up with Allen returning to the team, and then he gets injured and stoke are back to winning ways
I would never wish injury on anybody, but Allen please just retire
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 2, 2021 22:03:22 GMT
I don't think he needs to retire
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Post by wilcopotter on Apr 3, 2021 6:34:06 GMT
I think Allen would be an asset to all teams in this division at his best, but he isn't getting any younger. That is why I think I'd let go if we got a bid around £5M for him, he is our highest earner as well. 5M, in our dreams.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 3, 2021 7:28:32 GMT
You can't see he's worth that? 31 is he? Staring to look injury prone and not particually standing out in a midtable champ team, no I don't see he's worth that tbh. He may be a decent enough punt as a squad filler for a Prem club but they'd be more looking at 1-2mil I would have thought and given the situation we're in re FFP etc I doubt they'd bother sticking around to negotiate if we tried it. The market for him would be very small, the wages he must be on would probably take out any champ club that may have been interested in him and how many Prem clubs would really want him. You might be right, but anyway I don't think MON wants to part with him.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 3, 2021 8:29:55 GMT
the internet is incredible isn't it? everything is there for all to see forever, and we can document almost anything. i have found the exact moment things started to go south for this club, to the actual 1/125th second. Attachments:
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2021 8:58:41 GMT
the internet is incredible isn't it? everything is there for all to see forever, and we can document almost anything. i have found the exact moment things started to go south for this club, to the actual 1/125th second. That at the 2016 Euros?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 3, 2021 9:22:47 GMT
31 is he? Staring to look injury prone and not particually standing out in a midtable champ team, no I don't see he's worth that tbh. He may be a decent enough punt as a squad filler for a Prem club but they'd be more looking at 1-2mil I would have thought and given the situation we're in re FFP etc I doubt they'd bother sticking around to negotiate if we tried it. The market for him would be very small, the wages he must be on would probably take out any champ club that may have been interested in him and how many Prem clubs would really want him. You might be right, but anyway I don't think MON wants to part with him. No I don't think he does which is a bit of a worry.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2021 9:37:41 GMT
It’s amazing how people get so attached with such a no mark.
The bloke has done absolutely nothing for us.
Someone said the other day that they hope he can look back in his time here with fondness.
What the hell is there to look fondly at?
His best season with us is a toss up between one where at the end of it Mark Hughes should have been sacked and this one where he’s barely played.
If he doesn’t view this move with massive regret then his mentality is awful. Neither party has done well from the transfer. Apart from his bank balance (not his fault either and fair play if that makes him content). But from a sporting point of view, it’s been a disaster.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 3, 2021 9:45:07 GMT
say what you want about Allen, whether he is good or not, but it cannot be a coincidence, that stoke run of bad results line up with Allen returning to the team, and then he gets injured and stoke are back to winning ways I would never wish injury on anybody, but Allen please just retire Bristol City have had seven straight home defeats in which they have scored just one goal but it's apparently Allen's absence that provided the fertile ground for a Stoke win. If you're looking for single player solutions for team performance then you could also try Davies. It's remarkable how much better our results are when he's playing compared to when he's not.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 3, 2021 9:50:30 GMT
say what you want about Allen, whether he is good or not, but it cannot be a coincidence, that stoke run of bad results line up with Allen returning to the team, and then he gets injured and stoke are back to winning ways I would never wish injury on anybody, but Allen please just retire Bristol City have had seven straight home defeats in which they have scored just one goal but it's apparently Allen's absence that provided the fertile ground for a Stoke win. If you're looking for single player solutions for team performance then you could also try Davies. It's remarkable how much better our results are when he's playing compared to when he's not. It’s more that the midfield was notably more solid and disciplined, and kept its shape, it was a noticeable improvement.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 3, 2021 11:07:09 GMT
It’s amazing how people get so attached with such a no mark. The bloke has done absolutely nothing for us. Someone said the other day that they hope he can look back in his time here with fondness. What the hell is there to look fondly at? His best season with us is a toss up between one where at the end of it Mark Hughes should have been sacked and this one where he’s barely played. If he doesn’t view this move with massive regret then his mentality is awful. Neither party has done well from the transfer. Apart from his bank balance (not his fault either and fair play if that makes him content). But from a sporting point of view, it’s been a disaster. What a strange society we live in when a highly respected international footballer who’s played for one of the biggest clubs in world football, gets called a “no mark” by an anonymous keyboard warrior.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2021 11:41:14 GMT
It’s amazing how people get so attached with such a no mark. The bloke has done absolutely nothing for us. Someone said the other day that they hope he can look back in his time here with fondness. What the hell is there to look fondly at? His best season with us is a toss up between one where at the end of it Mark Hughes should have been sacked and this one where he’s barely played. If he doesn’t view this move with massive regret then his mentality is awful. Neither party has done well from the transfer. Apart from his bank balance (not his fault either and fair play if that makes him content). But from a sporting point of view, it’s been a disaster. What a strange society we live in when a highly respected international footballer who’s played for one of the biggest clubs in world football, gets called a “no mark” by an anonymous keyboard warrior. In the realm of Stoke City he is a no mark.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 3, 2021 14:25:18 GMT
It’s amazing how people get so attached with such a no mark. The bloke has done absolutely nothing for us. Someone said the other day that they hope he can look back in his time here with fondness. What the hell is there to look fondly at? His best season with us is a toss up between one where at the end of it Mark Hughes should have been sacked and this one where he’s barely played. If he doesn’t view this move with massive regret then his mentality is awful. Neither party has done well from the transfer. Apart from his bank balance (not his fault either and fair play if that makes him content). But from a sporting point of view, it’s been a disaster. What a strange society we live in when a highly respected international footballer who’s played for one of the biggest clubs in world football, gets called a “no mark” by an anonymous keyboard warrior. Mickstupp O'Neill?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 3, 2021 14:28:46 GMT
Nothing much to discuss.. We are better off without him because we need disciplined players that stay in position to maintain the shape and don’t run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
he had some good performances early on when he was surrounded by good players - the same as when he played for Wales in the World Cup. We don’t have that luxury any more.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 3, 2021 15:12:12 GMT
Nothing much to discuss.. We are better off without him because we need disciplined players that stay in position to maintain the shape and don’t run around like chickens with their heads cut off. he had some good performances early on when he was surrounded by good players - the same as when he played for Wales in the World Cup. We don’t have that luxury any more. We've carried him since he got here. For the money paid when has he ever ran a game like Nzonzi or even Affelley? It was always a mistake signing him in the first place. Not as good as Dean Whitehead but 3x the price for some reason, hence why it's difficult to forgive the non-descript nature of his long term performance. To be fair he's not the only signing I'd accuse of this and I'd blame the clowns in charge of recruitment and with access to the cheque book. It'll be a crime if Cousins is allowed to leave and Allen & Mikel are retained.
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Post by bolders on Apr 3, 2021 15:56:32 GMT
One of him or Clucas need to be sold off in the summer just to ease the wage bill. Preferably Allen only because he is probably on the biggest wages here and that any money for him will go in to the profit Column, where as Clucas we would need a bid of around £1.5 mil to break even
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 3, 2021 16:59:16 GMT
the internet is incredible isn't it? everything is there for all to see forever, and we can document almost anything. i have found the exact moment things started to go south for this club, to the actual 1/125th second. That at the 2016 Euros? yes i hope it is, or it renders my point obsolete. I think i'm safe, i remember seeing it at the time
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2021 19:09:41 GMT
yes i hope it is, or it renders my point obsolete. I think i'm safe, i remember seeing it at the time Yeah I remember seeing it too. And you’re spot on. It’s that moment it went tits up. He got his grand idea about a back 3 and Joe Allen all because it worked for Wales. He forgot to sign the world class forward.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 3, 2021 19:24:10 GMT
the internet is incredible isn't it? everything is there for all to see forever, and we can document almost anything. i have found the exact moment things started to go south for this club, to the actual 1/125th second. Why is Mark Hughes pitch side at the 2016 Euros?
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 3, 2021 20:57:13 GMT
What are the latest numbers with/without allen?
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Post by fulagoals on Apr 11, 2021 13:54:44 GMT
One of him or Clucas need to be sold off in the summer just to ease the wage bill. Preferably Allen only because he is probably on the biggest wages here and that any money for him will go in to the profit Column, where as Clucas we would need a bid of around £1.5 mil to break even I’d be looking to sell both if possible. I honestly think we need a complete midfield overhaul. Our U23’s are a better option I’m sure Porter, Malone etc. Thompson’s slowly improving too. We’re so stagnant it’s scary!
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:10:04 GMT
Missed him again today.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 14:11:53 GMT
Not in the slightest. Second half issues were the ones we have with him in the side. The midfield tired and were nowhere.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:13:14 GMT
Not in the slightest. Second half issues were the ones we have with him in the side. The midfield tired and were nowhere. Today’s game was exactly the type of game where he was starting to find his feet and play well after his injury. Similar to the Luton game where he ran the show.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 14:13:51 GMT
Not in the slightest. Second half issues were the ones we have with him in the side. The midfield tired and were nowhere. Today’s game was exactly the type of game where he was starting to find his feet and play well after his injury. Similar to the Luton game where he ran the show. He’s generally been awful since coming back from injury.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:15:09 GMT
Today’s game was exactly the type of game where he was starting to find his feet and play well after his injury. Similar to the Luton game where he ran the show. He’s generally been awful since coming back from injury. At home to poorer sides he’s generally played very well. Away from home against good sides.....yes granted.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 14:16:47 GMT
He’s generally been awful since coming back from injury. At home to poorer sides he’s generally played very well. Away from home against good sides.....yes granted. He’s been woeful on the whole. Overused and useless. We need a new midfield.
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 17, 2021 14:18:15 GMT
At home to poorer sides he’s generally played very well. Away from home against good sides.....yes granted. He’s been woeful on the whole. Overused and useless. We need a new midfield. You’re incapable of rational thought when it comes to Allen. I think we’ve missed him today.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 17, 2021 14:19:56 GMT
I agree we need a new midfield, we just haven't got the "legs" in there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 17, 2021 14:20:55 GMT
He’s been woeful on the whole. Overused and useless. We need a new midfield. You’re incapable of rational thought when it comes to Allen. I think we’ve missed him today. My thoughts have always been rational with him. He’s an absolute Jonah. If we had got rid when I wanted the club would be in a much better place.
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