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Post by daviddunn on Jan 2, 2021 23:00:28 GMT
Coates plays LB for U23s and has looked really good when I've seen their streams on YT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:00:47 GMT
I’ve said “I think his best side would be” ie the side Id believe he would pick. We had 2 of our best forward line fit today. You think Fletcher is fit? I trust the managers judgement 😂
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 2, 2021 23:01:17 GMT
I wouldn’t choose the system in the OP. That’s what I think MoN would play if we had a cup final tomorrow. And tbh it’s not far from that. I think the side on the in OP is a good side. I’d go 4231 though. You've badly worded your OP then. Even with the formation you've chosen, which I agree is our best system, only works with a proper left back and decent forward line which we currently don't have fit. That formation would work better with any old left back rather than the abysmal 5-3-2 formation. You could literally put anyone there and it would be instantly better
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:01:48 GMT
You think Fletcher is fit? I trust the managers judgement 😂 I'd trust him over yours that's for sure.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:02:26 GMT
I trust the managers judgement 😂 I'd trust him over yours that's for sure..... I wouldn’t at the minute the negative sod.
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Post by RF10 on Jan 2, 2021 23:02:53 GMT
You've badly worded your OP then. Even with the formation you've chosen, which I agree is our best system, only works with a proper left back and decent forward line which we currently don't have fit. I’ve said “I think his best side would be” ie the side Id believe he would pick. We had 2 of our best forward line fit today. Who plays left back? Fletcher lasted 25 minutes. The team you've chosen in OP changes the whole game but it wasn't possible.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:08:16 GMT
I’ve said “I think his best side would be” ie the side Id believe he would pick. We had 2 of our best forward line fit today. Who plays left back? Fletcher lasted 25 minutes. The team you've chosen in OP changes the whole game but it wasn't possible. Smith. I think it’s way better than what we started with. He did but he was fit allegedly.... He played 8 of the outfielders. To claim we’re hamstrung by injuries is imo a lie.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 2, 2021 23:09:11 GMT
This negativity shite is absolute bollocks and shouldn't be confused with our inability to score goals. Why can't we score goals? Campbell out (-6 goals. -7 assists out of the team). Fletcher out (-4 goals. -1 assist). Fox out (-3 assists). Before Campbell's injury we'd scored 24 goals. We've since scored 2. That's an average of 1.4 goals a game, down to 0.33. The leagues best avg goal per game is Blackburn's at 1.65. Can injuries be an explanation? The only explanation, and it's blatantly obvious. Our manager is arguably the best in the division - anyone who keeps pushing their anti-MON agenda is a wind-up merchant. 1.4 goals a game is poor isn’t it? Last 3 years: 2020: Champions - 1.7 To make playoffs - 1.3 2019: Champions - 2.0 To make playoffs - 1.5 2018: Champions - 1.8 To make playoffs - 1.4 No, it's not poor.
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Post by andyapotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:11:45 GMT
Verlinden wont get game time until we have a left back as he ain't no wing back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:14:29 GMT
1.4 goals a game is poor isn’t it? Last 3 years: 2020: Champions - 1.7 To make playoffs - 1.3 2019: Champions - 2.0 To make playoffs - 1.5 2018: Champions - 1.8 To make playoffs - 1.4 No, it's not poor. Fair dos! Just seems it 😂 I do think we’ve been negative for most of the season mind.
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Post by andyapotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:17:10 GMT
Verlinden wont get game time until we have a left back as he ain't no wing back Nailed on. McClean has spent more time defending of late and is playing a restricted attacking role very well. He’s aware that if he’s out of the game there are problems behind. You can’t play Verlinden in his apparently strongest position without any cover behind him.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 2, 2021 23:24:15 GMT
Last 3 years: 2020: Champions - 1.7 To make playoffs - 1.3 2019: Champions - 2.0 To make playoffs - 1.5 2018: Champions - 1.8 To make playoffs - 1.4 No, it's not poor. Fair dos! Just seems it 😂 I do think we’ve been negative for most of the season mind. He's just being pragmatic. He's not been able to keep his best team fit all season really. If he had, we'd be in the playoffs quite comfortably. To do that from where we were 18 months ago is outstanding. He'll want to play good football just as much as you do, and he probably loves Thibaud nearly as much as you do (😉), and to be fair we did put teams to bed before we lost Tyrese.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:33:27 GMT
Who plays left back? Fletcher lasted 25 minutes. The team you've chosen in OP changes the whole game but it wasn't possible. Smith. I think it’s way better than what we started with. He did but he was fit allegedly.... He played 8 of the outfielders. To claim we’re hamstrung by injuries is imo a lie. You couldn't make this shit up........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:35:37 GMT
Fair dos! Just seems it 😂 I do think we’ve been negative for most of the season mind. He's just being pragmatic. He's not been able to keep his best team fit all season really. If he had, we'd be in the playoffs quite comfortably. To do that from where we were 18 months ago is outstanding. He'll want to play good football just as much as you do, and he probably loves Thibaud nearly as much as you do (😉), and to be fair we did put teams to bed before we lost Tyrese. He hasn’t but again I don’t think he’s overly managed that well. Mikel wasn’t rotated. It was only when he got injured that we started to use Cousins. Which I was saying was wrong at the time and with what has transpired I am doubly sure it was wrong. Same for Fletcher. Harder to rotate and keep the same standard agreed but for me as long as one of Fletcher, Powell or Campbell are on we have a chance. I think he overplayed Campbell too tbh. There was no rotation and for a player who most of us 15 months ago thought couldn’t play 60 minutes. I think that has played a big part in the injuries. I can see why he did want to keep Fletcher and Campbell on for the time he did. I can’t with Mikel he was fast becoming a liability. Just a shame that the only money we’ve spent in the last 18 Months has been wasted tbh.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2021 23:36:11 GMT
I keep seeing people use injuries as an excuse for the negativity the manager is showing. Of the outfielders bar Fox and Campbell he’s used the others that would make his best XI. And with the goalies Bursik is imo better than Davies in this form so the difference isn’t there. I think his best side would be: Davies Collins Souttar Chester Fox Mikel Allen Clucas Campbell Fletcher Powell So he’s got absolutely no excuses for the negativity again. He chooses it. This performance at home for me isn’t acceptable. We started with the aim of a draw again and that is just poor at home. What a ridiculous post. Of course injuries matter. We’ve lost one of the top five strikers in the league for the season. Just as we started to look like we’d figured how to get the best out of him. We’ve suffered countless other injuries to key players at key times. Even tonight our only proper striker is playing well but doesn’t make it to half time. It’s absolute nonsense to suggests injuries haven’t impacted us massively. Unless you’re pursuing some warped agenda against a manager who might well be our best since Macari.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:43:38 GMT
I keep seeing people use injuries as an excuse for the negativity the manager is showing. Of the outfielders bar Fox and Campbell he’s used the others that would make his best XI. And with the goalies Bursik is imo better than Davies in this form so the difference isn’t there. I think his best side would be: Davies Collins Souttar Chester Fox Mikel Allen Clucas Campbell Fletcher Powell So he’s got absolutely no excuses for the negativity again. He chooses it. This performance at home for me isn’t acceptable. We started with the aim of a draw again and that is just poor at home. What a ridiculous post. Of course injuries matter. We’ve lost one of the top five strikers in the league for the season. Just as we started to look like we’d figured how to get the best out of him. We’ve suffered countless other injuries to key players at key times. Even tonight our only proper striker is playing well but doesn’t make it to half time. It’s absolute nonsense to suggests injuries haven’t impacted us massively. Unless you’re pursuing some warped agenda against a manager who might well be our best since Macari. Last bit is a bit overtop mate. Loved the time under macari was no doubt one of the better times but he never managed us in the top flight so I’d say there are 1 maybe 2 just as good as macari if not better
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2021 23:45:14 GMT
What a ridiculous post. Of course injuries matter. We’ve lost one of the top five strikers in the league for the season. Just as we started to look like we’d figured how to get the best out of him. We’ve suffered countless other injuries to key players at key times. Even tonight our only proper striker is playing well but doesn’t make it to half time. It’s absolute nonsense to suggests injuries haven’t impacted us massively. Unless you’re pursuing some warped agenda against a manager who might well be our best since Macari. Last bit is a bit overtop mate. Loved the time under macari was no doubt one of the better times but he never managed us in the top flight so I’d say there are 1 maybe 2 just as good as macari if not better Macari was at least the equal of Hughes and Pulis. And as a person beats both hands down from what I know of them all.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:45:33 GMT
I keep seeing people use injuries as an excuse for the negativity the manager is showing. Of the outfielders bar Fox and Campbell he’s used the others that would make his best XI. And with the goalies Bursik is imo better than Davies in this form so the difference isn’t there. I think his best side would be: Davies Collins Souttar Chester Fox Mikel Allen Clucas Campbell Fletcher Powell So he’s got absolutely no excuses for the negativity again. He chooses it. This performance at home for me isn’t acceptable. We started with the aim of a draw again and that is just poor at home. What a ridiculous post. Of course injuries matter. We’ve lost one of the top five strikers in the league for the season. Just as we started to look like we’d figured how to get the best out of him. We’ve suffered countless other injuries to key players at key times. Even tonight our only proper striker is playing well but doesn’t make it to half time. It’s absolute nonsense to suggests injuries haven’t impacted us massively. Unless you’re pursuing some warped agenda against a manager who might well be our best since Macari. We used 8 of his best team today. It’s not an excuse for the dross we witnessed tonight. I think the injuries bar Campbell and Fox have helped as I’ve said. Hughes was better than Macari.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 2, 2021 23:47:15 GMT
He's just being pragmatic. He's not been able to keep his best team fit all season really. If he had, we'd be in the playoffs quite comfortably. To do that from where we were 18 months ago is outstanding. He'll want to play good football just as much as you do, and he probably loves Thibaud nearly as much as you do (😉), and to be fair we did put teams to bed before we lost Tyrese. He hasn’t but again I don’t think he’s overly managed that well. Mikel wasn’t rotated. It was only when he got injured that we started to use Cousins. Which I was saying was wrong at the time and with what has transpired I am doubly sure it was wrong. Same for Fletcher. Harder to rotate and keep the same standard agreed but for me as long as one of Fletcher, Powell or Campbell are on we have a chance. I think he overplayed Campbell too tbh. There was no rotation and for a player who most of us 15 months ago thought couldn’t play 60 minutes. I think that has played a big part in the injuries. I can see why he did want to keep Fletcher and Campbell on for the time he did. I can’t with Mikel he was fast becoming a liability. Just a shame that the only money we’ve spent in the last 18 Months has been wasted tbh. Yeah I agree to an extent. Couldn't really not start Fletch/Campbell, but in hindsight he could've managed their minutes. But to be fair, the injuries they've had have been knocks/unlucky. And there's a shit load of games/quick turnarounds. Definitely agree re Mikel. It impressed me that he'd been able to play so many minutes, but one too far. Yeah the money we've wasted is sickening. Even if we had a fraction of it I'm confident MON would find someone this month. Now it's just going to have to be a gamble on someone completely unproven.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2021 23:48:41 GMT
What a ridiculous post. Of course injuries matter. We’ve lost one of the top five strikers in the league for the season. Just as we started to look like we’d figured how to get the best out of him. We’ve suffered countless other injuries to key players at key times. Even tonight our only proper striker is playing well but doesn’t make it to half time. It’s absolute nonsense to suggests injuries haven’t impacted us massively. Unless you’re pursuing some warped agenda against a manager who might well be our best since Macari. We used 8 of his best team today. It’s not an excuse for the dross we witnessed tonight. I think the injuries bar Campbell and Fox have helped as I’ve said. Hughes was better than Macari. We bossed large parts of a game against arguably the strongest squad in the league. We took the game to them but an injury to a key player put us on the back foot. Hughes at his best was better than Macari. At his worst he was horrific. Overall given the backing the two had Macari was by far the better.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:49:07 GMT
Last bit is a bit overtop mate. Loved the time under macari was no doubt one of the better times but he never managed us in the top flight so I’d say there are 1 maybe 2 just as good as macari if not better Macari was at least the equal of Hughes and Pulis. And as a person beats both hands down from what I know of them all. As a person maybe but as a manager don’t think so. Still love macari though
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2021 23:51:52 GMT
Macari was at least the equal of Hughes and Pulis. And as a person beats both hands down from what I know of them all. As a person maybe but as a manager don’t think so. Still love macari though Disagree. Hughes never got us promoted. He did get us relegated. He inherited a strong premier league squad, made some excellent acquisitions and briefly created a fine team. Then he fucked it all up spectacularly and left the club in ruin. Macari took us from the doldrums and gave us our pride and club back. He created an excellent team with very little backing and had us on the verge of the PL.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:52:28 GMT
He hasn’t but again I don’t think he’s overly managed that well. Mikel wasn’t rotated. It was only when he got injured that we started to use Cousins. Which I was saying was wrong at the time and with what has transpired I am doubly sure it was wrong. Same for Fletcher. Harder to rotate and keep the same standard agreed but for me as long as one of Fletcher, Powell or Campbell are on we have a chance. I think he overplayed Campbell too tbh. There was no rotation and for a player who most of us 15 months ago thought couldn’t play 60 minutes. I think that has played a big part in the injuries. I can see why he did want to keep Fletcher and Campbell on for the time he did. I can’t with Mikel he was fast becoming a liability. Just a shame that the only money we’ve spent in the last 18 Months has been wasted tbh. Yeah I agree to an extent. Couldn't really not start Fletch/Campbell, but in hindsight he could've managed their minutes. But to be fair, the injuries they've had have been knocks/unlucky. And there's a shit load of games/quick turnarounds. Definitely agree re Mikel. It impressed me that he'd been able to play so many minutes, but one too far. Yeah the money we've wasted is sickening. Even if we had a fraction of it I'm confident MON would find someone this month. Now it's just going to have to be a gamble on someone completely unproven. Tbh I meant the 2.5m on Brown and Thompson as much as anything 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 2, 2021 23:54:32 GMT
As a person maybe but as a manager don’t think so. Still love macari though Disagree. Hughes never got us promoted. He did get us relegated. He inherited a strong premier league squad, made some excellent acquisitions and briefly created a fine team. Then he fucked it all up spectacularly and left the club in ruin. Macari took us from the doldrums and gave us our pride and club back. He created an excellent team with very little backing and had us on the verge of the PL. Hughes is the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime. Nah the Coates’ did that by not sacking him when they should. I think and expect MoN to be up there. That’s why I don’t like what he’s doing at the moment.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 2, 2021 23:57:06 GMT
Disagree. Hughes never got us promoted. He did get us relegated. He inherited a strong premier league squad, made some excellent acquisitions and briefly created a fine team. Then he fucked it all up spectacularly and left the club in ruin. Macari took us from the doldrums and gave us our pride and club back. He created an excellent team with very little backing and had us on the verge of the PL. Hughes is the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime. Nah the Coates’ did that by not sacking him when they should. I think and expect MoN to be up there. That’s why I don’t like what he’s doing at the moment. The Coates were to be blame for his failure? For giving him money? Errrr ok!
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 2, 2021 23:59:02 GMT
As a person maybe but as a manager don’t think so. Still love macari though Disagree. Hughes never got us promoted. He did get us relegated. He inherited a strong premier league squad, made some excellent acquisitions and briefly created a fine team. Then he fucked it all up spectacularly and left the club in ruin. Macari took us from the doldrums and gave us our pride and club back. He created an excellent team with very little backing and had us on the verge of the PL. Hughes did fuck it up in the end I agree but he got players to sign for Stoke we could have only dreamed of and played some of the best football you will ever see at Stoke. I’m taking it your not a pulis fan as you have not mentioned him. I was a fan and what he did for this club should always be respected by all fans because that was one hell of a ride. Agreed macari didn’t get the backing the other 2 had
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 0:00:21 GMT
Hughes is the best manager we’ve had in my lifetime. Nah the Coates’ did that by not sacking him when they should. I think and expect MoN to be up there. That’s why I don’t like what he’s doing at the moment. The Coates were to be blame for his failure? For giving him money? Errrr ok! No for not sacking him when it was obvious they should.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 3, 2021 0:02:36 GMT
We seem to have dried up all over the pitch. McLean, Powell needn't be getting better levels of goals whilst the absence of baath means our centre backs do not get many either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 3, 2021 0:07:42 GMT
We seem to have dried up all over the pitch. McLean, Powell needn't be getting better levels of goals whilst the absence of baath means our centre backs do not get many either. Re the CBs, we haven’t really put a good set piece ball in since Clucas got injured. Not sure what they’re meant to do with Thompson and McClean supplying them.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 3, 2021 0:17:29 GMT
What a load of rubbish, anyone can see that all we need is a couple of attacking options and with Mikel, Allen and Clucas we will climb the league We’ve got an attacking option that he won’t use. He doesn’t want to win games. Your like a stuck record,and to say injuries are no excuse is simply retarded!
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