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Dec 12, 2020 17:20:14 GMT
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Post by milky on Dec 12, 2020 17:20:14 GMT
If it gets results I’m not too fussed about champagne football. How can some not see the correlation of poor results with the number of injuries? Poor football is no excuse for zero effort, nobody is expecting 10 messi’s but to look disinterested and not arsed when the team sitting third bottom is passing the ball freely in our own half is unacceptable, we’re not the only squad with injuries either I'm not seeing a lack of effort tbh.. Just too many knackered and bang average players and when our key players are missing it shows. I dont think we are not much different than other sides in that respect.
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Post by liamo on Dec 12, 2020 17:21:35 GMT
Clean sheet , good away point , hanging on in there till we get some players back - I really don’t think there is much to moan about. Against a top six side I’d agree with you but against a team that’s conceded 22 goals to not even threaten? Not good enough
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Post by future100 on Dec 12, 2020 17:21:42 GMT
He set out to do a job today and achieved it, just as two of our most successful managers, Waddington and Pulis used to do, boring but bought home a point.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 12, 2020 17:22:06 GMT
Powell as well, gets fouled a lot but when you need him to step up he’s anonymous He is the only player who when he gets the ball (bar Campbell who was out injured) who makes me think something could happen here. Take him out of the team and there is literally no threat at all attacking wise from us. Also the point you make about him getting fouled alot is surely because the opposition feel that is the only way to stop him? Or am I watching a different game to you? Powell has been quality this season and is the least of our problems today.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 12, 2020 17:23:36 GMT
If you can’t cut the manager a bit of slack now, then you never will. Half the side wouldn’t normally be starting and the other half are probably knackered. To not lose after Tuesday was a big positive. If we’ve become to good for a 0-0 draw away from home then I must have missed that.
Yes, it could have been better but there were also at least five times when the players fucked up in promising positions which you can’t really pin on him.
I’m intrigued to hear what else he could have done to make it much better though. Personally I’d have bought Ince on earlier but we had a weakened starting 11 and an even worse bench.
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Post by zerps on Dec 12, 2020 17:23:48 GMT
I think maybe with our injuries MOn is doing damage limitation. It’s been poor but we know that full strength we’ve been very good in games. Slating the manager is just typical of this message board. Sing when you’re winning. Playing like this and winning is ok Playing like this and not winning is inexcusable
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Post by milky on Dec 12, 2020 17:24:52 GMT
Clean sheet , good away point , hanging on in there till we get some players back - I really don’t think there is much to moan about. Against a top six side I’d agree with you but against a team that’s conceded 22 goals to not even threaten? Not good enough That's their 3rd clean sheet in a row including a creditable 0-0 at Brentford. Certainly today was frustrating but it just highlights there really isnt much at all between teams in this division.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:26:11 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2020 17:26:11 GMT
It’s pretty obvious that the manager has retreated into Pulis mode as a result of our injuries. He’s sending us out not to lose and hoping we’ll somehow pinch a goal. There certainly doesn’t look like a lot of coaching has gone into our side, we haven’t got the foggiest what to do when we have the ball. Exactly. We weren’t doing this when we weren’t harbouring 12 injuries. Thats not quite true is it, which is fine as he is what he is a defencive manager but sometimes it can go to far.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:26:55 GMT
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Post by liamo on Dec 12, 2020 17:26:55 GMT
Powell as well, gets fouled a lot but when you need him to step up he’s anonymous He is the only player who when he gets the ball (bar Campbell who was out injured) who makes me think something could happen here. Take him out of the team and there is literally no threat at all attacking wise from us. Also the point you make about him getting fouled alot is surely because the opposition feel that is the only way to stop him? Or am I watching a different game to you? Powell has been quality this season and is the least of our problems today. It’s two sides of the same coin, he is our best player when he wants to be but whenever we really need someone to step up and take control he doesn’t, there’s no denying he’s a good player but being a good player when we’re dominating is one thing, being a good player when we need a spark, just one chance is something else
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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 12, 2020 17:27:12 GMT
Fuck me sideways. Everyone was saying he's the messiah a few months back, now people are starting to slag him off for playing catious due to a load of injuries.
We know it's not his usual style of play, so give the bloke the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 12, 2020 17:27:33 GMT
Clean sheet , good away point , hanging on in there till we get some players back - I really don’t think there is much to moan about. Against a top six side I’d agree with you but against a team that’s conceded 22 goals to not even threaten? Not good enough Derby ain’t that bad and they are on a bit of an upswing. Frankly with the horrendous situation our squad is in I would say an away point against any team in this league is good. Swansea was a horror performance not today’s..
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Post by lordb on Dec 12, 2020 17:28:08 GMT
Poor today, clearly, but we are down to the bare bones
Bursik big plus for me.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:28:08 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2020 17:28:08 GMT
We haven't really played all that well all season though really, always negative football thats been limiting, happy we've had some good results and points on the board but there has to be a better way of doing it. He needs to trust his players and not constantly shit it with 20 mins left to play. If it gets results I’m not too fussed about champagne football. How can some not see the correlation of poor results with the number of injuries? Derby had plenty of injuries too. Injuries is an excuse to a point but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to win games, Derby tried.
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:28:35 GMT
I think maybe with our injuries MOn is doing damage limitation. It’s been poor but we know that full strength we’ve been very good in games. Slating the manager is just typical of this message board. Sing when you’re winning. Playing like this and winning is ok Playing like this and not winning is inexcusable There is an excuse tho, loads of injuries
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Dec 12, 2020 17:29:34 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:29:34 GMT
If it gets results I’m not too fussed about champagne football. How can some not see the correlation of poor results with the number of injuries? Derby had plenty of injuries too. Injuries is an excuse to a point but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to win games, Derby tried. There certainly was no impetus first half but be fair second half we started much better. Taking nowt away from a turgid performance but we were playing much better without the injuries
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Dec 12, 2020 17:30:01 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:30:01 GMT
Fuck me sideways. Everyone was saying he's the messiah a few months back, now people are starting to slag him off for playing catious due to a load of injuries. We know it's not his usual style of play, so give the bloke the benefit of the doubt. 👏
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Dec 12, 2020 17:30:06 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 12, 2020 17:30:06 GMT
He is the only player who when he gets the ball (bar Campbell who was out injured) who makes me think something could happen here. Take him out of the team and there is literally no threat at all attacking wise from us. Also the point you make about him getting fouled alot is surely because the opposition feel that is the only way to stop him? Or am I watching a different game to you? Powell has been quality this season and is the least of our problems today. It’s two sides of the same coin, he is our best player when he wants to be but whenever we really need someone to step up and take control he doesn’t, there’s no denying he’s a good player but being a good player when we’re dominating is one thing, being a good player when we need a spark, just one chance is something else I would agree with that to a certain degree but who is on his wavelength when he tries to make something happen?
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Dec 12, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Dec 12, 2020 17:30:11 GMT
And maybe Mikel, anything has to be better than Thompson. Tymon replaced Mikel fine and actually the midfield looked way more solid since Mikel got injured. I’d have him back in alongside Cousins for sure. But we haven’t missed him. Midfield as been awful lately
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 17:30:34 GMT
What do people expect when we have to field league 1 players in Tymon, Thompson, Brown, Cousins. Do people really expect us to dominate games with players like that?
Don't care what anyone says. A fit Joe Allen what make a massive difference to this team.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:31:02 GMT
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Post by christhepotter on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:02 GMT
Playing like this and winning is ok Playing like this and not winning is inexcusable There is an excuse tho, loads of injuries We’ve a huge squad and should be able cover the injuries
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Dec 12, 2020 17:31:02 GMT
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Post by march4 on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:02 GMT
Fox, Brown, Tymon, Thompson. We aren’t going to achieve much if they continue to start games for us.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:31:15 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:15 GMT
Attack! Attack! Attack attack attack!
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Post by bagnallboothen on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:24 GMT
Why don't we sack MON and appoint a young up and coming coach who's side are known for scoring goals. Failing that we could appoint a championship journeyman. Can't see either going wrong.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:31:42 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:42 GMT
Fuck me sideways. Everyone was saying he's the messiah a few months back, now people are starting to slag him off for playing catious due to a load of injuries. We know it's not his usual style of play, so give the bloke the benefit of the doubt. It’s the way of the oatcake 😂 People have a right to moan but the pendulum does swing a fair bit on here
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Dec 12, 2020 17:31:46 GMT
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Post by liamo on Dec 12, 2020 17:31:46 GMT
To say we put effort in when third bottom had 78% possession in the first half is laughable, we have a squad full of professional football players
We’ve done very well under MON, overachieved even but let’s not pretend we’re a semi pro team, our under 23 team should at least compete
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Dec 12, 2020 17:32:18 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:32:18 GMT
There is an excuse tho, loads of injuries We’ve a huge squad and should be able cover the injuries Tells you how poor our squad players are doesn’t it?
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 12, 2020 17:34:00 GMT
Right now, the main job is to stay in touch with the play-offs until we have a few more players back - our entire first team midfield (bar Powell), our best forward, several defenders and our two main keepers are missing at the moment.
It wasn’t great today but while Derby are down the bottom right now, they’ve started churning out clean sheets including away at Brentford in the week - it was never going to be an easy game. Much better result than losing 4-0 like we did last year.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:34:50 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 12, 2020 17:34:50 GMT
Derby had plenty of injuries too. Injuries is an excuse to a point but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be trying to win games, Derby tried. There certainly was no impetus first half but be fair second half we started much better. Taking nowt away from a turgid performance but we were playing much better without the injuries Well of course we were, it would be a worry if we weren't but lets not pretend it wasn't still on the negative side. He didn't even give them a chance to do much today we gave up the game from the first whistle, sat back and let a dog shit side do what they want, it could have been interesting if we had gone to try and win it.
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Dec 12, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 17:36:01 GMT
Fox, Brown, Tymon, Thompson. We aren’t going to achieve much if they continue to start games for us. Who do you suggest we play instead?
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Dec 12, 2020 17:36:24 GMT
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Post by a on Dec 12, 2020 17:36:24 GMT
There certainly was no impetus first half but be fair second half we started much better. Taking nowt away from a turgid performance but we were playing much better without the injuries Well of course we were, it would be a worry if we weren't but lets not pretend it wasn't still on the negative side. He didn't even give them a chance to do much today we gave up the game from the first whistle, sat back and let a dog shit side do what they want, it could have been interesting if we had gone to try and win it. Yea I don’t disagree, we weren’t really at it apart from a bit of a push second half. It would be interesting to see what the players were being asked to do, sit back and counter, or what.
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