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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2020 0:41:09 GMT
What with the rainbow colours and the BLM ident that pops up, I don't know why they don't just shove the football into the bottom corner of the screen and use the rest of it for meaningless window dressing. Oh dear! you are so unaware that you are being the perfect poster boy for why the knee is such a prevalent and pertinent issue... 🤦🏻♂️ Oh well. I'll live.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 6, 2020 0:43:28 GMT
It's about time it stopped. It's run it's course now and people are getting fed up of it. Same with rainbows Yeah its evident you are struggling with the possibility of accepting and able to deal with a few differences between a few colours.... heaven forbid a whole spectrum!!!! 🙌🏼 🎉 🌈 🦄
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2020 0:43:46 GMT
I was having this conversation on a group chat an hour ago. It's caused more harm than good. People are fed up of it now. I totally disagree. That is just a smokescreen. There is clearly a problem with racism in football and society, it been gaining in intensity in over the last few years and players have been targeted every single week before BLM was ever heard of. Why does this current situation resonate with so many black footballers? Blaming BLM is just a way of denying there was ever a problem in the first place. Not wanting there to be a problem should not mean not acknowledging a problem. BLM might not help the problem but neither do racist Millwall fans. Let's not play the game of pretending that Racist Millwall fans exist only because of BLM. Whether BLM is the right way to deal with things is a different matter. Yes they feel threatened by organisations like BLM, (and racism is just that, Fear) but that doesn't make them right or justify their actions. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 6, 2020 0:48:30 GMT
I totally disagree. That is just a smokescreen. There is clearly a problem with racism in football and society, it been gaining in intensity in over the last few years and players have been targeted every single week before BLM was ever heard of. Why does this current situation resonate with so many black footballers? Blaming BLM is just a way of denying there was ever a problem in the first place. Not wanting there to be a problem should not mean not acknowledging a problem. BLM might not help the problem but neither do racist Millwall fans. Let's not play the game of pretending that Racist Millwall fans exist only because of BLM. Whether BLM is the right way to deal with things is a different matter. Yes they feel threatened by organisations like BLM, (and racism is just that, Fear) but that doesn't make them right or justify their actions. We'll have to agree to disagree. Oh ok.., great stuff... once again everyone.... The Void everybody.... please give a round of applause for such an insightful, balanced, considered and progressive argument as to why it’s abosulutely fine to denounce any notions, attempts and movements to eradicate racism... nicely said Mr Void! 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 6, 2020 0:56:50 GMT
I totally disagree. That is just a smokescreen. There is clearly a problem with racism in football and society, it been gaining in intensity in over the last few years and players have been targeted every single week before BLM was ever heard of. Why does this current situation resonate with so many black footballers? Blaming BLM is just a way of denying there was ever a problem in the first place. Not wanting there to be a problem should not mean not acknowledging a problem. BLM might not help the problem but neither do racist Millwall fans. Let's not play the game of pretending that Racist Millwall fans exist only because of BLM. Whether BLM is the right way to deal with things is a different matter. Yes they feel threatened by organisations like BLM, (and racism is just that, Fear) but that doesn't make them right or justify their actions. We'll have to agree to disagree. OK, Carry on with your love in with Millwall fans then. Looks like you might have found your spiritual home.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 6, 2020 0:58:43 GMT
I totally disagree. That is just a smokescreen. There is clearly a problem with racism in football and society, it been gaining in intensity in over the last few years and players have been targeted every single week before BLM was ever heard of. Why does this current situation resonate with so many black footballers? Blaming BLM is just a way of denying there was ever a problem in the first place. Not wanting there to be a problem should not mean not acknowledging a problem. BLM might not help the problem but neither do racist Millwall fans. Let's not play the game of pretending that Racist Millwall fans exist only because of BLM. Whether BLM is the right way to deal with things is a different matter. Yes they feel threatened by organisations like BLM, (and racism is just that, Fear) but that doesn't make them right or justify their actions. We'll have to agree to disagree. And...... we don’t have to agree, I don’t agree, a lot of people don’t agree. Saying that in such an inconsiderate and nonchalant manner is exactly why the vast majority don’t agree. If you want to sit in your vacuumed catacomb, trying to agree with the outside world that you want them to accept you for not accepting as to how the outside world is and thinks, then, you might as well stay in your little catacomb and let us get on.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2020 1:00:05 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree. OK, Carry on with your love in with Millwall fans then. Looks like you might have found your spiritual home. You disagree with me, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 6, 2020 1:00:52 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree. OK, Carry on with your love in with Millwall fans then. Looks like you might have found your spiritual home. It's fairly easy to read between the lines regarding the agenda of those who feel that decrying racism is somehow a negative.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2020 1:03:18 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree. And...... we don’t have to agree, I don’t agree, a lot of people don’t agree. Saying that in such an inconsiderate and nonchalant manner is exactly why the vast majority don’t agree. If you want to sit in your vacuumed catacomb, trying to agree with the outside world that you want them to accept you for not accepting as to how the outside world is and thinks, then, you might as well stay in your little catacomb and let us get on. Vacuumed Catacomb used to be good, I thought their last album was a bit too heavy though.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2020 1:06:17 GMT
I was having this conversation on a group chat an hour ago. It's caused more harm than good. People are fed up of it now. Ok thanks so much... let’s all just slow clap you in here... keep that slow clap going, cause the void, The Void!!! Everyone, the void has just vocalised all sentiments, feelings, persecutions, injustices and rounded it up nicely into a group chat that speaking out, trying to change an unjust system, the deaths of innocent people is all fine, because they agreed on the group chat that the whole effort has actually done more harm than good. 🤦🏻♂️ 😢 Pleas go to bed, leave this alone, if you can’t adjust your mind set... it might be safer if you don’t have one. Calm down mate, you'll do yourself a mischief. I'll carry on doing my bit by not being racist and taking people as I find them, the incoherent ramblings of some internet no-mark I'll never meet is inconsequential.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 6, 2020 1:15:28 GMT
OK, Carry on with your love in with Millwall fans then. Looks like you might have found your spiritual home. It's fairly easy to read between the lines regarding the agenda of those who feel that decrying racism is somehow a negative. Yeah soooo transparent between the lines... the irony is it’s not seen by the person saying it.... and then just reverting to ‘well we’ll have to agree to disagree’ is said - nothing has been said, conversed, articulated. Or are we just chatting to one of those automated AI bots that has been programmed to churn out comments with a ‘sketchy’ background? End the end of the day..... how many people of ethnic minorities, black, LGBTQ+ have actually been involved in this forum thread/conversation and this localised conversation? I hope someone holds their hand up but I appreciate why anyone wouldn’t, and if this is just mainly white blokes at home having this conversation, that shows the battle. I’m pretty confident this is a load of white straight blokes speaking upon a topic they have no qualification, experience, ability to converse or even perceive about and yet are denouncing that even the conversation should not happen.... let alone any change!
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Post by potterburt on Dec 6, 2020 1:18:07 GMT
Ok thanks so much... let’s all just slow clap you in here... keep that slow clap going, cause the void, The Void!!! Everyone, the void has just vocalised all sentiments, feelings, persecutions, injustices and rounded it up nicely into a group chat that speaking out, trying to change an unjust system, the deaths of innocent people is all fine, because they agreed on the group chat that the whole effort has actually done more harm than good. 🤦🏻♂️ 😢 Pleas go to bed, leave this alone, if you can’t adjust your mind set... it might be safer if you don’t have one. Calm down mate, you'll do yourself a mischief. I'll carry on doing my bit by not being racist and taking people as I find them, the incoherent ramblings of some internet no-mark I'll never meet is inconsequential. Hahaha... Ramblings of an incoherent internet no-mark!?! Haha! At least we’re at the same level in your realm!! shame you keep carrying on. And hence the issue......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 7:04:51 GMT
I have no problem or issue with the kick it out campaign, but on my return to the ground i will not be supporting players taking the knee for a group which protest by rioting, looting, battling with police, wish to defund the police, tare down or deface statues they feel offended by including W Churchill and desecrate the cenotaph. All in the name of a thief and drug abuser from America which has absolutely nothing to do with UK politics, police or football.
Yes i would turn my back on them at the very least if i did not boo them, and that is my personal choice and freedom of opinion should you agree with it or not.
As far as giving the fist goes, which is a black power gesture originally, yes I'd defiantly boo that as i would somebody giving the nazi salute.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 6, 2020 7:38:52 GMT
I think the biggest issue is that we have a very small percentage of far right in the country like some of the Millwall fans and.a very small percentage of BLM radicals like Sasha who create division amongst the 99 percent of people that weren’t initially one way or the other but are becoming increasingly influenced by what the small percentage on social media say and feel that they need to take a stance hence a lot of the fallouts we get on here.
The sad thing is that the large majority of the public share the common agreement that they don’t want racism and they want equality but that those on the right side politically don’t want to be dictated about how they should feel either and that if they don’t feel a certain way they’re depicted as scum.
A lot of this has been created by mainstream media and the likes of the BBC who show a bias which does more damage than good because they just push people away from true equality because it feels like they’re trying to over compensate.
Things need to change in respect to racism but not so the majority feel like they’re not being treated equally.
I’m sure I’ll get hammered for this post but that will just back up my post re not having a voice as everyone should have before being cursed or being put in a box under a certain name.
Crazy times.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 8:21:01 GMT
Not a chance this will stay when all fans are back, the majority are sick to death of it, the booing just shows that the genuine supporter is sick to death of the pl, efl, bbc, sky and the rest of them going over board trying to drive their personnel opinions down everyones throats! There will be a hell of a lot of fans booing or turning their backs, mark my words! Well if that happens at the Bet365 l’ll glsdly hand my Season Ticket back.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 6, 2020 8:26:17 GMT
They got Batth's knee, didn't they!?
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 8:46:12 GMT
Not a chance this will stay when all fans are back, the majority are sick to death of it, the booing just shows that the genuine supporter is sick to death of the pl, efl, bbc, sky and the rest of them going over board trying to drive their personnel opinions down everyones throats! There will be a hell of a lot of fans booing or turning their backs, mark my words! Well if that happens at the Bet365 l’ll glsdly hand my Season Ticket back. Crack on then. I bet the majority of football supporters are bloody sick of seeing this before every game. Some will admit it and be vocal on it, some will think it but won't dare admit it, but I bet the majority are sick of it. Does that make me and others racist? Does it fuck. Just fed up of the majority in this country not being racist, yet we're being bombarded with stuff in the last 6 months that makes it look like we all are! Just bugger it all off and if anyone does or says something that is racist, deal with them and drive it out like we were doing other than the odd idiot. All this is in danger of taking racism back decades. Well done!
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Dec 6, 2020 8:49:01 GMT
I’m starting to resent all the talk that has somehow crept into the mainstream media about systemic racism in the UK as an accepted fact. This country is one of - if not the most - accepting, tolerant and open nations in the world. Unfortunately anyone in the public eye saying so would get labelled as racist by lunatics on Twitter and this means there is no chance of a proper grown up discussion around this.
I don’t need multimillionaire citizens of all races telling me how lucky I am to have ‘white privilege’ before every sporting event. I don’t feel the need to boo it when I’m allowed back in, but I think the media and government are going to be surprised by the number of people who do. Millwall player’s and the footballing pundits faux horror reminds me of all the actors crying when Ricky Gervais told them their political stances were ridiculous.
Plenty of people also link the BLM movement to the vandalism of war memorials that took place earlier in the year as well. I’ve not heard one person who takes the knee take the time to distance themselves from the unsavory sides of people associated with BLM, but state they still feel the knee is needed because of a, b and c. If any of them took the time to do that then they might just come across as someone actually championing equal rights and tolerance rather than a puppet who doesn’t want to upset anyone and lose a sponsorship deal or two.
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 6, 2020 8:50:07 GMT
I think the biggest issue is that we have a very small percentage of far right in the country like some of the Millwall fans and.a very small percentage of BLM radicals like Sasha who create division amongst the 99 percent of people that weren’t initially one way or the other but are becoming increasingly influenced by what the small percentage on social media say and feel that they need to take a stance hence a lot of the fallouts we get on here. The sad thing is that the large majority of the public share the common agreement that they don’t want racism and they want equality but that those on the right side politically don’t want to be dictated about how they should feel either and that if they don’t feel a certain way they’re depicted as scum. A lot of this has been created by mainstream media and the likes of the BBC who show a bias which does more damage than good because they just push people away from true equality because it feels like they’re trying to over compensate. Things need to change in respect to racism but not so the majority feel like they’re not being treated equally. I’m sure I’ll get hammered for this post but that will just back up my post re not having a voice as everyone should have before being cursed or being put in a box under a certain name. Crazy times. That is the post of the thread right there. For what it’s worth I’m not a fan of taking the knee, and the game in this country was making huge strides for equality. The MSM have created a huge divide, I can’t even listen to BBC radio anymore, it used to be balanced, interesting, and educational. Over the last 3 years or so the over compensating agenda (especially the LGBT+) has made it lose all sense of balance.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 6, 2020 8:53:23 GMT
Well if that happens at the Bet365 l’ll glsdly hand my Season Ticket back. Crack on then. I bet the majority of football supporters are bloody sick of seeing this before every game. Some will admit it and be vocal on it, some will think it but won't dare admit it, but I bet the majority are sick of it. Does that make me and others racist? Does it fuck. Just fed up of the majority in this country not being racist, yet we're being bombarded with stuff in the last 6 months that makes it look like we all are! Just bugger it all off and if anyone does or says something that is racist, deal with them and drive it out like we were doing other than the odd idiot. All this is in danger of taking racism back decades. Well done! Les Ferdinand got it bang on when he said we now need to look at other alternatives.
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Post by apb1 on Dec 6, 2020 8:54:30 GMT
If players want to peacefully make a point about something which blights most societies, including ours, I’m supportive. If it flushes out racists by triggering booing, all the better. Odds on they have been the monkey noise brigade at some point. Millwall was full of that disgusting NF lot.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 6, 2020 8:54:32 GMT
Well if that happens at the Bet365 l’ll glsdly hand my Season Ticket back. Crack on then. I bet the majority of football supporters are bloody sick of seeing this before every game. Some will admit it and be vocal on it, some will think it but won't dare admit it, but I bet the majority are sick of it. Does that make me and others racist? Does it fuck. Just fed up of the majority in this country not being racist, yet we're being bombarded with stuff in the last 6 months that makes it look like we all are! Just bugger it all off and if anyone does or says something that is racist, deal with them and drive it out like we were doing other than the odd idiot. All this is in danger of taking racism back decades. Well done! It’s already taken the fight against racism back decades unfortunately. Just as BLM intended.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 8:59:41 GMT
Crack on then. I bet the majority of football supporters are bloody sick of seeing this before every game. Some will admit it and be vocal on it, some will think it but won't dare admit it, but I bet the majority are sick of it. Does that make me and others racist? Does it fuck. Just fed up of the majority in this country not being racist, yet we're being bombarded with stuff in the last 6 months that makes it look like we all are! Just bugger it all off and if anyone does or says something that is racist, deal with them and drive it out like we were doing other than the odd idiot. All this is in danger of taking racism back decades. Well done! Les Ferdinand got it bang on when he said we now need to look at other alternatives. Yes because he has now realised racism is going back decades.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 9:05:15 GMT
Wear an arm band, something on the sleeve, whatever they want as long as it doesn't keep ramming it down the majorities throat that are fed up up of seeing something that is for a minority in this country that won't change their opinion no matter how long you take the knee, but makes them and it worse.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 6, 2020 9:05:18 GMT
I'll repeat what I said months ago when this first happened. It's literally 5 seconds before the game even kicks off, why get so angry about it? Keeping quiet really isn't that hard...
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Post by bloodtypered on Dec 6, 2020 9:28:50 GMT
Yeah its evident you are struggling with the possibility of accepting and able to deal with a few differences between a few colours.... heaven forbid a whole spectrum!!!! 🙌🏼 🎉 🌈 🦄 Definitely not
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Post by cobhamstokey on Dec 6, 2020 9:29:26 GMT
I’m starting to resent all the talk that has somehow crept into the mainstream media about systemic racism in the UK as an accepted fact. This country is one of - if not the most - accepting, tolerant and open nations in the world. Unfortunately anyone in the public eye saying so would get labelled as racist by lunatics on Twitter and this means there is no chance of a proper grown up discussion around this. I don’t need multimillionaire citizens of all races telling me how lucky I am to have ‘white privilege’ before every sporting event. I don’t feel the need to boo it when I’m allowed back in, but I think the media and government are going to be surprised by the number of people who do. Millwall player’s and the footballing pundits faux horror reminds me of all the actors crying when Ricky Gervais told them their political stances were ridiculous. Plenty of people also link the BLM movement to the vandalism of war memorials that took place earlier in the year as well. I’ve not heard one person who takes the knee take the time to distance themselves from the unsavory sides of people associated with BLM, but state they still feel the knee is needed because of a, b and c. If any of them took the time to do that then they might just come across as someone actually championing equal rights and tolerance rather than a puppet who doesn’t want to upset anyone and lose a sponsorship deal or two. Excellent post. I think the biggest issue is that the likes of Hamiton and Linker are hugely distanced from reality and have never lived the life of a black or white person in a deprived area and in my opinion are doing it more to say “look at me I’m a great person.” Of course there’s racism and it’s a problem but an even bigger problem is black on black gang crime. I don’t see a lot being said or done by the aforementioned duo to stop that or highlight it in the media and that’s where people are losing lives. Surely that has to be more important yet littles done about it. Maybe it’s because the media and certain politicians are happier slagging the people off who are trying to stop people killing each other by proactively stopping those believed to be involved. If they’re not allowed to do this there’ll be more Damiols Taylor’s a young lad who was murdered for no reason what so ever. The fighting needs to stop and people need to start talking and working together.
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Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2020 9:33:47 GMT
I do wonder when it will stop though?
I suppose some people would say 'when racism' stops but if that is the case we'll all still be watching it in the year 3020!
I guess what changed this weekend is that for the first time this display is being stood up in front of the jury of a sprinkling of fans like the Jeremy Kyle show. And if the football message boards I visit are anything to go by then the appetite for it is small and getting smaller.
I don't think that is because most people are racist, but people are asking 'why football?' and 'why us'? Why are we having this preposterous spectacle set up in front of us twice a week when we are just trying to get out of the house to escape the every day world.
We're getting patronised aren't we? And no one dare call time on it for fear of the 'R' word.
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Post by lee1982 on Dec 6, 2020 9:34:38 GMT
Excuse the pun but personally this issue isnt as black and white as some people make out, and that is what annoys me. You can take issue with the BLM and NOT be racist. Those that label someone racist for failing to get behind such campaigns are as much a problem as someone who is without doubt racist. The problem for me is that the whole campaign is reactive rather than proactive, and its reactive because of something that happened in another country to somebody who lets be honest wont be missed by many.
Had there been a big media campaign that the 2020/21 football season was going to be a big push towards raising awareness that racism is still very much present in modern day lives i’d have much less of an issue with it. Coupled with this you have the riots that were initially triggered by the events, and you will inevitably get a swell of people that have little sympathy or understanding to the situation.
There are ways to highlight issues such as this but reacting in anger and shouting everyone down that dares to have a different opinion is not it.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2020 9:35:03 GMT
I'll repeat what I said months ago when this first happened. It's literally 5 seconds before the game even kicks off, why get so angry about it? Keeping quiet really isn't that hard... But it obviously is getting harder to do. It's not just the 5 seconds that's getting on people's tits. People can dress the reasoning up all they want and try come across all goody goody. My annoyance is this all started by something thousands of miles away in another country. This country was going in the right direction other than the odd isolated pillock like at Chelsea I think it was. Players like sterling were doing a grand job as were the England team of making other countries look bad for it. Now we are bombarded by the main media channels and told we should all be good boys and girls when the majority of this country already were. The only ones that weren't were the ones you'll never change anyway no matter how many knees are taken. Now what they have created is 2000 Millwall fans booing a gesture that the media will make out to be 2000 racists. They are in danger of making a lot more people racist than before all this shit started in this country.
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