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Post by dirtclod on Apr 28, 2021 14:28:26 GMT
Counter back at $15 mill and see if we can get a deal like the one in robwahlmann's post. If not, keep him.
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Post by bolders on Apr 28, 2021 15:36:16 GMT
He might not want to go to Burnley lol
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Post by nonameface on Apr 28, 2021 17:03:13 GMT
Him and Campbell are the only players I’m bothered about keeping. I rate Souttar higher than Collins, but everyone are entitled to their own opinion. I really struggle to see us reject a bid like £12M + add-ons up to £15M based on games and success. We also should get 20% of any fee over what we get when they sell him. £12M up front £1M for his first 25 games for the club £1M for his next 25 games for the club £1M for his first senior cap for the national team 20% of everything above what we get when they sell him to a bigger club Souttar is in my eyes the better defender right now, but you'd expect that when he is 3 years older and has played quite a lot more professional games. For his age Collins is an outrageous talent, theres a reason fletcher has recommended him to Man Utd. Brighton signed Webster at the age of 24 for £20m with just one season in the championship, so for me neither Souttar or Collins should go for anything less than £20m, their respective ages and performances mean they should demand higher fees. As a club we need to make sure this value is fully appreciated and especially so in a market where home grown players will command larger fees. Im pretty certain that Burnleys prepared bid has doubled over the last few months whilst hes not played too, so over the summer they may get nearer to his real value.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 28, 2021 19:37:44 GMT
Anything over 12m plus Vydra would be a good deal You've obviously forgotten this is Stoke and Scholes we're talking about. Based on the last swap deal Super Tony did with Burnley (Crouch and Vokes), it would more likely be a swap deal of Collins for Vydra and WE give then £12 million. Or, if it's a money deal, it'll be like the Pieters deal, where we sold Burnley a vastly experienced international left back for absolute peanuts. Scholes and good transfer deals for Stoke just doesn't compute for me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 8:28:48 GMT
Anything over 12m plus Vydra would be a good deal You've obviously forgotten this is Stoke and Scholes we're talking about. Based on the last swap deal Super Tony did with Burnley (Crouch and Vokes), it would more likely be a swap deal of Collins for Vydra and WE give then £12 million. Or, if it's a money deal, it'll be like the Pieters deal, where we sold Burnley a vastly experienced international left back for absolute peanuts. Scholes and good transfer deals for Stoke just doesn't compute for me. Making up deals doesn't help. We did ok out of Arnautovic. Crouch and Walters were done by the time we sold then, Waters just couldn't shake niggling injuries. Crouch played 6 games for them.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2021 9:53:20 GMT
The big dilemma here will be if Burnley get close to a £12M valuation and the possibilities this will give us when it comes to getting rid of the dead wood. If we could receive such a fee we could probably give away Wimmer, Afobe, Vokes, Woods, Ince and Bauer without being punished due to FFP. Will this be too tempting to keep Nathan?
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2021 11:08:55 GMT
The big dilemma here will be if Burnley get close to a £12M valuation and the possibilities this will give us when it comes to getting rid of the dead wood. If we could receive such a fee we could probably give away Wimmer, Afobe, Vokes, Woods, Ince and Bauer without being punished due to FFP. Will this be too tempting to keep Nathan? No dilemma at £12m you say piss off £20m is the benchmark
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Post by nonameface on May 1, 2021 11:14:28 GMT
The big dilemma here will be if Burnley get close to a £12M valuation and the possibilities this will give us when it comes to getting rid of the dead wood. If we could receive such a fee we could probably give away Wimmer, Afobe, Vokes, Woods, Ince and Bauer without being punished due to FFP. Will this be too tempting to keep Nathan? What's the benefit in getting rid of those players one year early? None of us know the position of FFP, especially because players values were written down due to COVID19 and so it amends the calculations, potentially significantly.
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 1, 2021 11:24:12 GMT
Tired of stoke giving away the family jewels for pennies. Its about time we stuck decent prices on these jewels and not accept a penny less. As mentioned i think £20m for collins is right and we should tell clubs like shitty burnley to cough up or fuck off.
If we can keep the likes of Ty, souttar, collins, and the promising u23 players we could have a cracking team for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 11:36:27 GMT
Tired of stoke giving away the family jewels for pennies. Its about time we stuck decent prices on these jewels and not accept a penny less. As mentioned i think £20m for collins is right and we should tell clubs like shitty burnley to cough up or fuck off. If we can keep the likes of Ty, souttar, collins, and the promising u23 players we could have a cracking team for years to come. A Jack Butland alarm bell should be ringing in your head. We got 1 million quid having turned down offers at hugely more than that.
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Post by jeycov on May 1, 2021 11:44:36 GMT
Tired of stoke giving away the family jewels for pennies. Its about time we stuck decent prices on these jewels and not accept a penny less. As mentioned i think £20m for collins is right and we should tell clubs like shitty burnley to cough up or fuck off. If we can keep the likes of Ty, Souttar,Collins and the promising u23 players we could have a cracking team for years to come. An issue maybe that if Collins moves for Premiership football, our other promising players may want to do the same, certainly if we fail to make a good start next season The meet the players interview with Nathan and Ty showed 2 very different characters imo Collins far more guarded about any future plans, Campbell giving lots of positive vibes about the club and the ambition of the manager £12 is a ridiculously low price, even at £20 million there needs to be substantial add ons If the club can manage the finances with the restrictions of FFP for just one more season, we will be in a much more competitive situation in the transfer market A potential way of persuading him to stay is to play him as a CB. Clearly that is where he sees his future However atm, I beleive its more important to retain Powell if such a choice has to be made
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Post by gingerninja on May 1, 2021 11:44:43 GMT
I think we as Stoke fans need a reality check. The links we are seeing Windass, Paterson etc may just be lazy journalism, but make no mistake they are the types we will be looking at given the mess we are in until 2022. The days of forking out lots of money are long gone. I for one prefer it where we have to look hard and get best value.
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Post by robwahlmann on May 1, 2021 12:14:11 GMT
The big dilemma here will be if Burnley get close to a £12M valuation and the possibilities this will give us when it comes to getting rid of the dead wood. If we could receive such a fee we could probably give away Wimmer, Afobe, Vokes, Woods, Ince and Bauer without being punished due to FFP. Will this be too tempting to keep Nathan? What's the benefit in getting rid of those players one year early? None of us know the position of FFP, especially because players values were written down due to COVID19 and so it amends the calculations, potentially significantly. That is right, but if FFP is an issue we might really consider it. Anyway if we can free up all that wages we can probably pick at the top of the free bees in this division and below. If not we might not have the power to strengthen at all, never mind offer players like Powell a new contract which is good enough for him to stay. Time will tell though, but now that we are without any parachute payment this might force our hand?
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Post by kustokie on May 1, 2021 13:06:47 GMT
£15M + add ons up to £25M and I'd let him go. I'm probably one of the few who rates Souttar even higher. I agree Souttar is a much better. However, together they are a very good combination because they have complementary skills.
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Post by kustokie on May 1, 2021 13:12:21 GMT
Selling Powell, Collins, Souttar, Campbell or some combination should go a long way to solving the FFP woes, but we’ll never replace like for like. We can build a very solid base around those four. Time for the CEO to earn his keep (not necessarily the one we now have in place).
Those four are the only players of Premier League ability. Maybe Matondo and Brown if they can put in good performances week after week.
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Post by lordb on May 1, 2021 13:28:21 GMT
Tired of stoke giving away the family jewels for pennies. Its about time we stuck decent prices on these jewels and not accept a penny less. As mentioned i think £20m for collins is right and we should tell clubs like shitty burnley to cough up or fuck off. If we can keep the likes of Ty, souttar, collins, and the promising u23 players we could have a cracking team for years to come. A Jack Butland alarm bell should be ringing in your head. We got 1 million quid having turned down offers at hugely more than that. Did we?
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Post by nonameface on May 1, 2021 13:35:43 GMT
Tired of stoke giving away the family jewels for pennies. Its about time we stuck decent prices on these jewels and not accept a penny less. As mentioned i think £20m for collins is right and we should tell clubs like shitty burnley to cough up or fuck off. If we can keep the likes of Ty, souttar, collins, and the promising u23 players we could have a cracking team for years to come. A Jack Butland alarm bell should be ringing in your head. We got 1 million quid having turned down offers at hugely more than that. dont let one bad decision cloud your judgement into another
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Post by slicko on May 1, 2021 13:37:52 GMT
He’s our John Stones but a bit less error prone.
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Post by crowey on May 1, 2021 13:38:27 GMT
.... if Forrester is coming along as some people are saying, then maybe we could sell Collins, but not for 9m. Burnley 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 14:12:44 GMT
A Jack Butland alarm bell should be ringing in your head. We got 1 million quid having turned down offers at hugely more than that. dont let one bad decision cloud your judgement into another Our transfer team have made ONE bad decision
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 22, 2021 7:31:31 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2021 7:35:16 GMT
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 22, 2021 7:36:59 GMT
I hoped for £3M more, but I guess that is big spending for Burnley. A pity none of the bigger clubs have made a bid though! At least we must install a sell on clause in this contract of at least 20%, if not this is not a "good" deal as I see it!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2021 7:38:07 GMT
Got to be sceptical of football league world
But if we sold Collins, wonder if we'd quickly move for Dion Sanderson. He seems pretty highly-rated and could become another long-term asset
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 7:51:31 GMT
A Jack Butland alarm bell should be ringing in your head. We got 1 million quid having turned down offers at hugely more than that. Did we? No one has a clue what offers we received but guess it suits their agenda. if that really is the best example of this myth of us giving away good players on the cheap then it shows it 's nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 7:54:12 GMT
Stick, and play him in his proper position.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 22, 2021 7:56:46 GMT
The medical already booked call is certainly bold - but does have your bullshit-o-meter tingling a bit footballleagueworld.co.uk/sources-burnley-and-stoke-city-on-the-brink-of-12m-transfer-agreement/Stoke City are on the cusp of agreeing a £12m deal that will see Nathan Collins move to Burnley, a source has exclusively revealed to Football League World. A source has revealed to Football League World that Stoke are set to agree to Collins’ sale, with Burnley striking a deal to finally take him to Turf Moor. The deal will be worth somewhere in the region of £12m, with a medical already booked in as the Premier League side look to wrap up the transfer. Stoke’s three years in the Championship has led to Financial Fair Play restrictions tightening and, ultimately, resulted in them having to move on one of the division’s top prospects to balance the books.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 22, 2021 8:12:58 GMT
I struggle to believe that either the club or player would want the deal that is being detailed here.
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Post by chamberlain on Jun 22, 2021 8:16:36 GMT
Very disappointing if true
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Post by themistocles on Jun 22, 2021 8:31:04 GMT
He'll be sold to Man u next summer for triple that
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