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Post by mickstupp on Dec 3, 2020 10:48:11 GMT
Deep down the manager knows Vokes is shite. He’s his last choice centre forward. With the injury situation at the moment we need him and he’s unlikely to dig him out in the post match interview. But he doesn't have to pick him out for special praise either, he wasn't asked specifically about Vokes, I think we have to come to terms with the fact that the manager genuinely believes this however painful that may be. the goal does show that his assessment does have some merit. Sorry to say but we need him at the moment. MON knows this. I took his praise for him as an attempt to get his confidence up, no more than that. When everyone is fit, he’s way down the pecking order.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2020 10:51:34 GMT
But he doesn't have to pick him out for special praise either, he wasn't asked specifically about Vokes, I think we have to come to terms with the fact that the manager genuinely believes this however painful that may be. the goal does show that his assessment does have some merit. Sorry to say but we need him at the moment. MON knows this. I took his praise for him as an attempt to get his confidence up, no more than that. When everyone is fit, he’s way down the pecking order. True, but I worry about Fletcher's fitness.
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Post by lordb on Dec 3, 2020 10:52:59 GMT
But he doesn't have to pick him out for special praise either, he wasn't asked specifically about Vokes, I think we have to come to terms with the fact that the manager genuinely believes this however painful that may be. the goal does show that his assessment does have some merit. Sorry to say but we need him at the moment. MON knows this. I took his praise for him as an attempt to get his confidence up, no more than that. When everyone is fit, he’s way down the pecking order. Be shit management to do anything else. However he does have other options , he doesn't have to play Vokes yet
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2020 10:53:11 GMT
Oh look, here's Vokes dragging the entire Wycombe defence to the near post to give Powell enough free real estate to build a house on. He chose to score the winner instead. View Attachment Attachment DeletedAinsworth will be shaking his head when he's sees this In what world does Sam Vokes need 2 close markers? Definitely worked out well for us though.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 3, 2020 10:55:06 GMT
Sorry to say but we need him at the moment. MON knows this. I took his praise for him as an attempt to get his confidence up, no more than that. When everyone is fit, he’s way down the pecking order. True, but I worry about Fletcher's fitness. Me too. He’s a lovely footballer but he’s injury record isn’t great and at 33 it’s unlikely to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 10:55:39 GMT
Oh look, here's Vokes dragging the entire Wycombe defence to the near post to give Powell enough free real estate to build a house on. He chose to score the winner instead. View AttachmentAlso not consistent , with those who criticise McLean for chucking the ball in the box , rather than picking out his man .
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 3, 2020 10:57:18 GMT
Sorry to say but we need him at the moment. MON knows this. I took his praise for him as an attempt to get his confidence up, no more than that. When everyone is fit, he’s way down the pecking order. Be shit management to do anything else. However he does have other options , he doesn't have to play Vokes yet Do you think we should move Powell or Campbell? I’m no fan of Vokes but I don’t like the thought of shifting one of those two when they are positively impacting games for us in the positions they are currently in.
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Post by moon on Dec 3, 2020 11:04:34 GMT
Whats Crouchy up to theses days..... He would be a massive upgrade on Vokes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2020 11:05:47 GMT
Oh look, here's Vokes dragging the entire Wycombe defence to the near post to give Powell enough free real estate to build a house on. He chose to score the winner instead. View AttachmentAlso not consistent , with those who criticise McLean for chucking the ball in the box , rather than picking out his man . True but it was in McClean's sweet spot - really deep at the far post
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Post by spiderpuss on Dec 3, 2020 11:26:58 GMT
Oh look, here's Vokes dragging the entire Wycombe defence to the near post to give Powell enough free real estate to build a house on. He chose to score the winner instead. View Attachment View AttachmentAinsworth will be shaking his head when he's sees this In what world does Sam Vokes need 2 close markers? Definitely worked out well for us though. No fan of Vokes either, but if away teams are feeling they need to do this then it is obvious to his purpose, albeit limited.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2020 11:35:01 GMT
View AttachmentAinsworth will be shaking his head when he's sees this In what world does Sam Vokes need 2 close markers? Definitely worked out well for us though. No fan of Vokes either, but if away teams are feeling they need to do this then it is obvious to his purpose, albeit limited. Lets just hope they don't read the Oatcake before they set up their man marking plans
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Post by chamberlain on Dec 3, 2020 13:03:02 GMT
Vokes is a useless plodder . Not according to MON He is praised by our manager in the postmatch interview 'he gave us a presence up top and helped us link the game" Well he saw something that I didnt .
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 3, 2020 13:18:54 GMT
Do we know how long Gregory is likely to be out?. Can we get through to January with Vokes as first choice?.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 3, 2020 14:35:28 GMT
Whats Crouchy up to theses days..... He would be a massive upgrade on Vokes Just don’t. I cringe when thinking about the Vokes deal. It shouldn’t be, but an old Crouchy would still offer much more. And we could have bought every fan a pie and pint with the 9mil instead
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Post by moon on Dec 3, 2020 15:19:13 GMT
Do we know how long Gregory is likely to be out?. Can we get through to January with Vokes as first choice?. Even with Fletcher and Gregory out we'd be better playing Powell in the middle as a false 9, or putting Campbell in the middle of a front 3.
Any 3 from McClean / Campbell / Brown / Powell / Ince (yes, even Tom Ince) / Verlinden would be preferable to Vokes starting, he offers nothing to the team, and having seen the goal a few times it's bad defending from Wycombe that left Powell unmarked rather than the movement of Sam Vokes.
I'm not sure how long Fletcher is out for but we'll have to make do until January, Gregory is a worker but he isn't up to the job of leading the line any more than Vokes is. In hindsight we'd have been better keeping Afobe as a back up as he's still a better option than Vokes / Gregory.
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Post by moon on Dec 3, 2020 15:23:20 GMT
He would be a massive upgrade on Vokes Just don’t. I cringe when thinking about the Vokes deal. It shouldn’t be, but an old Crouchy would still offer much more. And we could have bought every fan a pie and pint with the 9mil instead 9,000,000 would get you a lot of pies and a lot of pints, I'm estimating 3 pies and 3 pints per fan, for a full Brit every league home game in a season, now that would be money well spent.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 3, 2020 15:31:38 GMT
Just don’t. I cringe when thinking about the Vokes deal. It shouldn’t be, but an old Crouchy would still offer much more. And we could have bought every fan a pie and pint with the 9mil instead 9,000,000 would get you a lot of pies and a lot of pints, I'm estimating 3 pies and 3 pints per fan, for a full Brit every league home game in a season, now that would be money well spent. Be interesting seeing all the kids going berserk after 3 pints too!
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 3, 2020 15:35:38 GMT
Just don’t. I cringe when thinking about the Vokes deal. It shouldn’t be, but an old Crouchy would still offer much more. And we could have bought every fan a pie and pint with the 9mil instead 9,000,000 would get you a lot of pies and a lot of pints, I'm estimating 3 pies and 3 pints per fan, for a full Brit every league home game in a season, now that would be money well spent. Replacing Vokes with 3 pints and 3 pies would be a better option.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2020 15:43:29 GMT
I honestly think Vokes is a better option than Gregory, mostly because Vokes is perceived as a bigger threat by the opposition.
Gregory also goes very deep to collect the ball, his speciality (if he doesn't let the ball bounce off him) is to knock back to a full back or Baath to launch up to no-one up front to nobody. It's not helpful at all, though it looks like he's busy and involved.
With balls in the air Gregory basically gives away a foul for every ball he goes up for.
Its an awful choice though.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Dec 3, 2020 15:54:25 GMT
Needs games
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Post by stokeyank on Dec 3, 2020 16:00:54 GMT
My sincere hope is that now that basically all of us have noted how shit he is that, it will reverse jinx him and he'll bag two against Middlesboro. And yes his recent form is absolute shit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2020 16:06:33 GMT
My sincere hope is that now that basically all of us have noted how shit he is that, it will reverse jinx him and he'll bag two against Middlesboro. And yes his recent form is absolute shit. I was hoping for that last night tbh. It was a game that was suited to him against a side who really are lucky to be at this level. And he still looked like one of the worst players out there.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 3, 2020 16:22:29 GMT
Vokes has played some part in 37 of MON's 46 Championship games. He's been on the end of 0.38 xG per 90 & taken 2.7 shots per 90. That's pretty productive for a striker and it's all been on MON's watch. He's a threat in & around the six yard box (so you have to mark him on a fairly regular basis).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2020 16:31:09 GMT
Vokes has played some part in 37 of MON's 46 Championship games. He's been on the end of 0.38 xG per 90 & taken 2.7 shots per 90. That's pretty productive for a striker and it's all been on MON's watch. He's a threat in & around the six yard box (so you have to mark him on a fairly regular basis). View Attachment He's wank.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 16:31:12 GMT
Do we know how long Gregory is likely to be out?. Can we get through to January with Vokes as first choice?. No. If he had to play that amount of games in such a short time he would surely have to be taken to hospital.
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Post by Goonie on Dec 3, 2020 16:42:28 GMT
Oh look, here's Vokes dragging the entire Wycombe defence to the near post to give Powell enough free real estate to build a house on. He chose to score the winner instead. View Attachment View AttachmentAinsworth will be shaking his head when he's sees this In what world does Sam Vokes need 2 close markers? Definitely worked out well for us though. It's the 'Mama Role'! 🤣
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Post by tachyon on Dec 3, 2020 16:47:00 GMT
Vokes has played some part in 37 of MON's 46 Championship games. He's been on the end of 0.38 xG per 90 & taken 2.7 shots per 90. That's pretty productive for a striker and it's all been on MON's watch. He's a threat in & around the six yard box (so you have to mark him on a fairly regular basis). View Attachment He's wank. how so?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 3, 2020 16:47:59 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 3, 2020 16:55:34 GMT
Wish I was “fat” like Vokes😬 He is wank though. Think it’s the inevitable feeling of lack of goals when he plays, because even though Fletcher is hardly a goal machine his movement, intelligent hold up play, passing and expertise in the darker arts just makes us look so much more threatening in the final third.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 3, 2020 17:00:27 GMT
Ah, unsubstantiated eye test baloney. I'm out.
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