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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 10:55:20 GMT
Will really need to find someone to take him off our hands. Maybe Nathan Jones will be stupid enough.
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Post by s8to on Dec 9, 2020 11:27:28 GMT
Makes Porkin' Parkin look like Messi TBH..
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Dec 9, 2020 11:44:44 GMT
Gutted his contract is not up at the end of this season
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Dec 9, 2020 11:55:47 GMT
I really can’t remember a game where we were winning 1-0 and looking very comfortable and solid, where one player can cost us 3 points, it wasn’t just the terrible penalty miss that gave Barrrrdif the lift to drive them on, he then went AWOL and don’t think he touched (in a controlled way) the ball, really was like playing with 10 men, (then 9 when Ince came on). I blame the ref for awarding the penalty, had 1-0 written all over it before then...... joking, ‘twas Vokes fault ........
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Post by apb1 on Dec 9, 2020 12:32:12 GMT
Did he set up Powell to win the penalty? Struggling to remember if he did this positive contribution, but it's obviously massively outweighed by missing the damn thing, and by grabbing the ball to take it in the first place when *everyone* knew he'd miss.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 9, 2020 12:37:49 GMT
Gutted his contract is not up at the end of this season He’s got another £2.35 million pound to steal from the club before he waddles off into the sunset in summer 2022.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 9, 2020 12:56:25 GMT
Is he a Cardiff fan?
The way he took than Pem. you would think so.
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Post by callas12 on Dec 9, 2020 13:11:20 GMT
Wonder if the thought of missing that penalty even crossed his mind after the match had concluded & he'd left the stadium. I know I'd be mulling over it for days if I'd taken and missed a penalty in a even in a non competitive or professional game nevermind the ramifications that miss had for us yesterday. All the way home I'd be running it over in mind, would be the last thing I thought about before going to sleep and the first thing I thought about waking up. I know people could easily say he doesn't really care as Stoke is simply a job and not a passion for him as it is for us supporters. & of course he'll still get handsomely paid but minus the goal bonus! But I wonder deep down if players do self reflect after game changing incidents like Vokes caused us yesterday?
Know hindsights a wonderful things, but looking back, had that penalty not even been awarded I really do think we'd of held out and gone on to win that match 1-0. The missing the penalty moment dipped our confidence and self belief, yet in return gave Cardiff renewed optimism & I think we could all predict what was going to happen from there on in!
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 9, 2020 13:16:48 GMT
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Post by milky on Dec 9, 2020 13:28:12 GMT
MON is no idiot, he has given up more than a fair chance and I'd imagine he has washed his hands with him after last night.
He knows he is on a long contract and impossible to shift so you can understand him trying to get a tune out of him but it's clearly not happening.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 9, 2020 13:44:04 GMT
18 months left on his deal Who loans him next season on 20-25k-a-week? He can't move, so hard to even see him being of use in the lower leagues. We can't play him on Saturday, surely? He is not good enough for any team who could afford that. I'm not sure whether he ever used to have any pace but he certainly doesn't now, and it's not as if he's a strong target man either or particularly good in the air, I guess we are stuck with him whilst he picks up his last big payday. It's not his fault, he does try but he's just not up to the task, yet another shocking signing on the list of shocking signings from our club. It's not as if he is that old as footballers go, but he doesn't have the brains or skill of Fletcher (who I admit I was a bit dubious about given his age, but what a revelation he is in comparison).
If we're signing players later in their careers we should be looking at 1 year to 18 month deals only, we can't afford any more passengers. We'd be far better off spending money on younger players than cast-offs, and developing the academy players who have shown promise recently.
Just for perspective, Ivan Toney cost Brentford £4 million less than we paid for this twat. And his resale value is rumoured to be £50m with Everton sniffing.
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 9, 2020 13:55:45 GMT
He is not good enough for any team who could afford that. I'm not sure whether he ever used to have any pace but he certainly doesn't now, and it's not as if he's a strong target man either or particularly good in the air, I guess we are stuck with him whilst he picks up his last big payday. It's not his fault, he does try but he's just not up to the task, yet another shocking signing on the list of shocking signings from our club. It's not as if he is that old as footballers go, but he doesn't have the brains or skill of Fletcher (who I admit I was a bit dubious about given his age, but what a revelation he is in comparison). If we're signing players later in their careers we should be looking at 1 year to 18 month deals only, we can't afford any more passengers. We'd be far better off spending money on younger players than cast-offs, and developing the academy players who have shown promise recently.
Just for perspective, Ivan Toney cost Brentford £4 million less than we paid for this twat. And his resale value is rumoured to be £50m with Everton sniffing. I dont think signing up and coming strikers from lower leagues is that difficult really - just a few points on the checklist - how many of these get a tick for our forward purchases and how many get a tick for Toney (and a number of other of his ilk that have been successful too - Watkins, Gayle etc) Young - ie 21 to 24 Quick Can use both feet 5'10 to 6'2 Between 1 and 2 seasons regularly hitting the back of the net in the 1st or 2nd division Buy 2 or 3 of these at £5m each and with the lower wages it only probably adds up to 1 Vokes, Ince, Berahino or Wimmer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 14:17:15 GMT
Did he set up Powell to win the penalty? Struggling to remember if he did this positive contribution, but it's obviously massively outweighed by missing the damn thing, and by grabbing the ball to take it in the first place when *everyone* knew he'd miss. That's absurd. Of course "*everyone*" believes in their team mate when he puts himself forward to take the penalty. It's not as if we had an Adam/Jese moment. No one else wanted to take it.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Dec 9, 2020 14:35:25 GMT
He is not good enough for any team who could afford that. I'm not sure whether he ever used to have any pace but he certainly doesn't now, and it's not as if he's a strong target man either or particularly good in the air, I guess we are stuck with him whilst he picks up his last big payday. It's not his fault, he does try but he's just not up to the task, yet another shocking signing on the list of shocking signings from our club. It's not as if he is that old as footballers go, but he doesn't have the brains or skill of Fletcher (who I admit I was a bit dubious about given his age, but what a revelation he is in comparison). If we're signing players later in their careers we should be looking at 1 year to 18 month deals only, we can't afford any more passengers. We'd be far better off spending money on younger players than cast-offs, and developing the academy players who have shown promise recently.
Just for perspective, Ivan Toney cost Brentford £4 million less than we paid for this twat. And his resale value is rumoured to be £50m with Everton sniffing. And Toney knows how to score pens
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Post by apb1 on Dec 9, 2020 15:22:50 GMT
Did he set up Powell to win the penalty? Struggling to remember if he did this positive contribution, but it's obviously massively outweighed by missing the damn thing, and by grabbing the ball to take it in the first place when *everyone* knew he'd miss. That's absurd. Of course "*everyone*" believes in their team mate when he puts himself forward to take the penalty. It's not as if we had an Adam/Jese moment. No one else wanted to take it. I am not talking about his team mates, but his own self-belief (in comparison with, I think, every fan watching who KNEW he'd miss). Fair play it took some balls, but I wish he'd had a crisis of confidence!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 16:53:36 GMT
That's absurd. Of course "*everyone*" believes in their team mate when he puts himself forward to take the penalty. It's not as if we had an Adam/Jese moment. No one else wanted to take it. I am not talking about his team mates, but his own self-belief (in comparison with, I think, every fan watching who KNEW he'd miss). Fair play it took some balls, but I wish he'd had a crisis of confidence! So you wanted him to fail...?
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Post by citynickscfc on Dec 9, 2020 17:01:21 GMT
I am not talking about his team mates, but his own self-belief (in comparison with, I think, every fan watching who KNEW he'd miss). Fair play it took some balls, but I wish he'd had a crisis of confidence! So you wanted him to fail...? I too thought he would miss. A player with zero confidence shouldn't take the penalty. He's literally got zero confidence, had been a bench player at best all season, started behind 20yo brown, is on his last pay day and simply lapping it up with zero commitment. Compare him to Fletcher? He should have been nowhere best the penalty, blame is on MON however for this one
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 17:55:34 GMT
So you wanted him to fail...? I too thought he would miss. A player with zero confidence shouldn't take the penalty. He's literally got zero confidence, had been a bench player at best all season, started behind 20yo brown, is on his last pay day and simply lapping it up with zero commitment. Compare him to Fletcher? He should have been nowhere best the penalty, blame is on MON however for this one Powell didn't want to take. Clucas, our great, cough, leader doesn't do pens: So who should have taken it?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 9, 2020 18:14:51 GMT
I too thought he would miss. A player with zero confidence shouldn't take the penalty. He's literally got zero confidence, had been a bench player at best all season, started behind 20yo brown, is on his last pay day and simply lapping it up with zero commitment. Compare him to Fletcher? He should have been nowhere best the penalty, blame is on MON however for this one Powell didn't want to take. Clucas, our great, cough, leader doesn't do pens: So who should have taken it? Is he our designated penalty taker ?
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Post by Veritas on Dec 9, 2020 18:18:18 GMT
I too thought he would miss. A player with zero confidence shouldn't take the penalty. He's literally got zero confidence, had been a bench player at best all season, started behind 20yo brown, is on his last pay day and simply lapping it up with zero commitment. Compare him to Fletcher? He should have been nowhere best the penalty, blame is on MON however for this one Powell didn't want to take. Clucas, our great, cough, leader doesn't do pens: So who should have taken it? It would have been interesting to see Clucas stepping up to take it as he wasn't playing
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Post by 1982stokie on Dec 9, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
Will really need to find someone to take him off our hands. Maybe Nathan Jones will be stupid enough. But who the only team stupid enough to pay anything for him is us and we can’t sign him again
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Dec 9, 2020 18:20:45 GMT
Pay him up and cancel his contract. He’s a disgrace. Can just about excuse him being utterly useless. His lack of effort is unforgivable.
How many more times are we going to buy players like this. Again and again it goes back to money being no issue and lack of due diligence by scouts.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 18:35:51 GMT
In other words crapslinger and veritas don't have any suggestions.
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