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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 10:41:58 GMT
I love how this is meant to be some form of decent argument. For a professional athlete he's big, slow and doesn't seem to have the ability to jump. To compare him to your average fan is just stupid. To say that a Professional football who has been capped by his country over 50 times and has played the vast majority of his career in the top two leagues of English football is also a bit stupid... He's a professional football? Apt.
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Post by femark on Dec 4, 2020 11:48:03 GMT
To say that a Professional football who has been capped by his country over 50 times and has played the vast majority of his career in the top two leagues of English football is also a bit stupid... He's a professional football? Apt. What's the matter? You don't have a comeback so you have to pick up a minor error?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 13:27:18 GMT
I dont give a Donkeys Donger what his past record is, at this moment in time he is fecking useless,needs getting rid of in Jan. If anyone is stupid enough to want him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2020 13:28:07 GMT
He's a professional football? Apt. What's the matter? You don't have a comeback so you have to pick up a minor error? No I thought it was a hilarious mistake.
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Post by karl on Dec 4, 2020 13:32:06 GMT
We signed him as a replacement for Peter Crouch but he is not good enough. Another player we are just waiting for the contract clock to tick down on.
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Post by femark on Dec 4, 2020 14:37:27 GMT
He's a professional football? Apt. What's the matter? You don't have a comeback so you have to pick up a minor error? Well when you've finished laughing maybe you can come up with a decent response?
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 4, 2020 14:42:57 GMT
Bar the very rare season he's struggled to be a regular starter at any club he's ever been at. 430 league appearances a staggering 199 as a sub (46%), most during his prime. He's never been remotely close to being a top striker let alone a £9M one and it's fairly painful to watch. In his last 2 championship season (before us) he scored 21 and 16, then 12 in the Premier league. Like Ince, it's there but doubt we'll ever see it. He played mostly in a 4.2.2 with some good players around him, never as a lone striker, that might be a clue?
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 4, 2020 14:47:13 GMT
In his last 2 championship season (before us) he scored 21 and 16, then 12 in the Premier league. Like Ince, it's there but doubt we'll ever see it. He played mostly in a 4.2.2 with some good players around him, never as a lone striker, that might be a clue? Now he's got players close to him more than ever before and at times has played in a front 2. Like I said before he's absolutely terrible at the minute but I'm hoping there's something in there because he has shown he's a decent striker in the past.
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Post by apb1 on Dec 4, 2020 14:48:48 GMT
I would expect to see some improvement in energy and understanding when he plays (as he surely will) v Boro. Overall he's been a big flop but we've never lost when he scored for us (unless you count a shoot out v Crawley)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 10:44:18 GMT
I would expect to see some improvement in energy and understanding when he plays (as he surely will) v Boro. Overall he's been a big flop but we've never lost when he scored for us (unless you count a shoot out v Crawley) He had a short spell last season where I thought he was fine to be honest. Not great, but adequate and better than Gregory. He has since regressed back to that awful sluggish Vokes this season. He plays better when Powell is playing closer to him. The problem is with any player, you have to play well first and foremost because of yourself. According to whoscored (https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1487419/Live/England-Championship-2020-2021-Sheffield-Wednesday-Stoke) he won 60% of his aerial duels vs Sheff Wed but astonishingly on 29% versus Wycombe. However, that equated to 6 won vs SW and 5 won vs WW. He will likely be playing for a couple more games. I hope he gets a goal today, which may give him some confidence.
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2020 11:05:02 GMT
I would expect to see some improvement in energy and understanding when he plays (as he surely will) v Boro. Overall he's been a big flop but we've never lost when he scored for us (unless you count a shoot out v Crawley) He had a short spell last season where I thought he was fine to be honest. Not great, but adequate and better than Gregory. He has since regressed back to that awful sluggish Vokes this season. He plays better when Powell is playing closer to him. The problem is with any player, you have to play well first and foremost because of yourself. According to whoscored (https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1487419/Live/England-Championship-2020-2021-Sheffield-Wednesday-Stoke) he won 60% of his aerial duels vs Sheff Wed but astonishingly on 29% versus Wycombe. However, that equated to 6 won vs SW and 5 won vs WW. He will likely be playing for a couple more games. I hope he gets a goal today, which may give him some confidence. Yeah, I think the main issue is that those aerial fuels won just end up straight with the other team, if he had a Fuller type running through, Vokes could be a similar mould to a Sidibe. It seems at the moment he doesn’t know where/how to get a header to any of our wingers or mids and he’s unsure as to what he’ll do if he brings it down and holds it, he’d likely loose it that instance which is either because he can’t hold it or possibly the hesitation as to what to do means he looses it. He wins duels, hopefully that has some sort of physiological/ tactic plus where the opposition react according to him playing. Yeah he hasn’t done much for us, he came through what seemed a lacklustre and shortsighted transfer list. One of those signings that were done because it could be done, rather than a massive want for him to be here,he’s filling a hole at the moment, we haven’t got anyone else, that’s it, just need to cobble through for now.
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Post by mickey2693 on Dec 5, 2020 11:37:37 GMT
His "performance" against Wycombe was the worst that I can remember by a Stoke centre forward. I hope he realises how toss he was and is determined to make amends in some way today.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 12:00:19 GMT
He had a short spell last season where I thought he was fine to be honest. Not great, but adequate and better than Gregory. He has since regressed back to that awful sluggish Vokes this season. He plays better when Powell is playing closer to him. The problem is with any player, you have to play well first and foremost because of yourself. According to whoscored (https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1487419/Live/England-Championship-2020-2021-Sheffield-Wednesday-Stoke) he won 60% of his aerial duels vs Sheff Wed but astonishingly on 29% versus Wycombe. However, that equated to 6 won vs SW and 5 won vs WW. He will likely be playing for a couple more games. I hope he gets a goal today, which may give him some confidence. Yeah, I think the main issue is that those aerial fuels won just end up straight with the other team, if he had a Fuller type running through, Vokes could be a similar mould to a Sidibe. It seems at the moment he doesn’t know where/how to get a header to any of our wingers or mids and he’s unsure as to what he’ll do if he brings it down and holds it, he’d likely loose it that instance which is either because he can’t hold it or possibly the hesitation as to what to do means he looses it. He wins duels, hopefully that has some sort of physiological/ tactic plus where the opposition react according to him playing. Yeah he hasn’t done much for us, he came through what seemed a lacklustre and shortsighted transfer list. One of those signings that were done because it could be done, rather than a massive want for him to be here,he’s filling a hole at the moment, we haven’t got anyone else, that’s it, just need to cobble through for now. The ideal way to use Vokes in my mind, is to have Powell near enough by that the flick ons just go to him. He can distribute it from there. Vokes also needs to be less soft. Watching Fletcher is a reawakening of what a target man should be like: a bit mean and a bit of a wind up merchant.
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Post by tachyon on Dec 5, 2020 13:40:05 GMT
It seems at the moment he doesn’t know where/how to get a header to any of our wingers or mids vs WW heads a 60 yard punt straight to the feet of Powell, who feeds TC, who crosses into the crowd. Heads a 65 yard punt straight to the feet of Brown, who takes his man on, has a deflected shot go wide. Sneaks in front of a WW defender, gets a weak header on target. Five mins later the same beaten defender races in to double team Vokes, leaving Powell to score the winner. Doesn't really jibe.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 5, 2020 13:42:00 GMT
It seems at the moment he doesn’t know where/how to get a header to any of our wingers or mids vs WW heads a 60 yard punt straight to the feet of Powell, who feeds TC, who crosses into the crowd. Heads a 65 yard punt straight to the feet of Brown, who takes his man on, has a deflected shot go wide. Sneaks in front of a WW defender, gets a weak header on target. Five mins later the same beaten defender races in to double team Vokes, leaving Powell to score the winner. Doesn't really jibe. Spreadsheet football vs Eyes Football
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Post by tachyon on Dec 5, 2020 13:46:16 GMT
vs WW heads a 60 yard punt straight to the feet of Powell, who feeds TC, who crosses into the crowd. Heads a 65 yard punt straight to the feet of Brown, who takes his man on, has a deflected shot go wide. Sneaks in front of a WW defender, gets a weak header on target. Five mins later the same beaten defender races in to double team Vokes, leaving Powell to score the winner. Doesn't really jibe. Spreadsheet football vs Eyes Football Spreadsheet football & Eyes Football
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 5, 2020 13:55:01 GMT
Spreadsheet football vs Eyes Football Spreadsheet football & Eyes Football I'm not against stats, infact I love them and some of the stuff you post is genuinely enlightening and interesting but if my excel told me that Vokes had a good game the other night I might try zoho.....if thats still a thing! 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 14:02:50 GMT
He was wank the other night. No dressing it up, with stats or otherwise. Utter shite.
I've filed him under 'useless, get rid'. He's a talentless oaf*
Give me prime Mama Sidibe, any day of the week.
* go, prove me wrong
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2020 14:10:12 GMT
Dropped from a great height
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Post by potterburt on Dec 5, 2020 14:25:08 GMT
Spreadsheet football vs Eyes Football Spreadsheet football & Eyes Football Yeah stats are generally better, less judgement, preconceived ideas. It sounds impresses as to what he was involved and I do like it when players make things happen away from the ball. Overall though His 63 appearances for us has resulted in 11 goals and 3 assists, I wasn’t really taking a pop at him - my point was if he were to be more like a Sidibe type with someone running off, then those assists could be a lot higher.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2020 14:26:29 GMT
Spreadsheet football vs Eyes Football Spreadsheet football & Eyes Football Said elsewhere he should definitely have started today for me , he does improve with games and to lose him leaves Campbell with too much physical Load to bear so you negate him as well
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 5, 2020 14:31:32 GMT
I’m no fan of Vokes...but I would have actually picked him today. I bet he’s on after 60 minutes.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 5, 2020 14:37:42 GMT
I’m no fan of Vokes...but I would have actually picked him today. I bet he’s on after 60 minutes. Agree and that would be a selection goof If we are chasing the game as last year showed
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Post by Lesalanos on Dec 5, 2020 14:50:21 GMT
His "performance" against Wycombe was the worst that I can remember by a Stoke centre forward. I hope he realises how toss he was and is determined to make amends in some way today. How long have you been watching Stoke? He wasn’t greart on Wednesday, but i can list quite a few forwards over the last 40 years who’ve had worse games and aren’t a patch on Vokes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 14:59:37 GMT
I’m no fan of Vokes...but I would have actually picked him today. I bet he’s on after 60 minutes. What would you expect him to bring to the table?
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 5, 2020 15:56:48 GMT
I’m no fan of Vokes...but I would have actually picked him today. I bet he’s on after 60 minutes. What would you expect him to bring to the table? Just a bit of physicality in a physical game. Like I say, I’m no fan it’s just strikes me as the kind of game where he might actually be mildly useful.
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Post by Davef on Dec 8, 2020 21:49:07 GMT
Well done Sam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 21:49:28 GMT
Fat twat can fuck off.
Penalty was fucking awful and then does fuck all for the rest of the game.
Hes the worst signing for me in recent times. At least the other wankers refuse to play. This twat keeps turning up.
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Post by toad on Dec 8, 2020 21:50:12 GMT
It's close between him and Wimmer for the worst transfer this club has ever made.
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Post by stokecitydom on Dec 8, 2020 21:50:51 GMT
Well done Sam Vokes.
You’re not fit to wear the shirt.
It’s not just your penalty miss, it’s the fact that you barely put up a fight.
How many times do you make a half arsed attempt to challenge for a 50/50?!? How many times do you not even jump?!?!
No pace, no strength, no fight.
9 million quid, just let that sink in.
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