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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:07:42 GMT
Why aren't we discussing possession in the final third? I was. We need to keep the ball over and passing for the sake of passing along the back 4/5 isn't what I was on about at all tbh. We don't counter attack. So are you suggesting that the players are being sent out to “hoof it” in our final third? How does that work? Surely “hoofing it” is a term for defenders hitting long balls up to the forwards? Are you suggesting that Powell, Fletcher and Campbell are losing possession on purpose? How can good passers not pass the ball properly? They clearly are. How does it work? Really? They're not getting the ball to pass...........Christ this is tough. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:08:51 GMT
So are you suggesting that the players are being sent out to “hoof it” in our final third? How does that work? Surely “hoofing it” is a term for defenders hitting long balls up to the forwards? Are you suggesting that Powell, Fletcher and Campbell are losing possession on purpose? How can good passers not pass the ball properly? They clearly are. How does it work? Really? They're not getting the ball to pass...........Christ this is tough. I give up youth |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:14:44 GMT
They clearly are. How does it work? Really? They're not getting the ball to pass...........Christ this is tough. I give up youth Good because I haven't got a clue what you're on about. |
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Post by bgreen13 on Nov 24, 2020 16:16:33 GMT
They clearly are. How does it work? Really? They're not getting the ball to pass...........Christ this is tough. I give up youth Clear and concise to me mate. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:18:53 GMT
Clear and concise to me mate. Really? How do players hoof it into the final third? I can only presume you don't understand the very basics of football either  |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:19:42 GMT
Clear and concise to me mate. Really? How do players hoof it into the final third? I can only presume you don't understand the very basics of football either I suggest you read what I posted again. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:24:10 GMT
Really? How do players hoof it into the final third? I can only presume you don't understand the very basics of football either I suggest you read what I posted again. I've read it countless times. "So are you suggesting that the players are being sent out to “hoof it” in our final third? How does that work?" How does hoofing into the final third work? Quite easily. How do you instruct that? Quite easily. |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 24, 2020 16:26:20 GMT
I don’t think Clucas is a good passer and Smith is just as shit on the ball as Fox and Batth. Powell is a great passer, but we aren’t discussing possession in the final third are we? We have a really good front three and there’s nothing wrong in getting the ball through to them quickly so they can counter attack. Ponderous slow tippy tappy in our own half was a feature of our decline which I don’t miss at all personally. Why aren't we discussing possession in the final third? I was. We need to keep the ball over and passing for the sake of passing along the back 4/5 isn't what I was on about at all tbh. We don't counter attack. I'd like to see us more capable of keeping hold of the ball, but only when they are used to the intensity of getting the ball moving forward fast at pace, something they haven't evidenced since the penultimate season under Hughes. If they can't move the ball fast (which I suspect they can't based upon history) then I'd do as we are doing, hitting it long asap giving the front players as much space to attack in as possible. To keep the ball in the way we have done in the past only allows for the opposition to get all of their men behind the ball and we aren't technically, physically or fast enough to break them down when this happens. |
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Post by apb1 on Nov 24, 2020 16:29:50 GMT
I watched a goal of the season reel on Youtube from 2015 or so. That was an era where we could ping the ball about at pace. My God what a time it was...
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:30:21 GMT
I suggest you read what I posted again. I've read it countless times. "So are you suggesting that the players are being sent out to “hoof it” in our final third? How does that work?" How does hoofing into the final third work? Quite easily. How do you instruct that? Quite easily. I wasn’t on about hoofing the ball into our opponents third? I was wondering how you play hoof ball IN your opponents third. Who do you “hoof” the ball to in that area of the pitch? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:30:54 GMT
Why aren't we discussing possession in the final third? I was. We need to keep the ball over and passing for the sake of passing along the back 4/5 isn't what I was on about at all tbh. We don't counter attack. I'd like to see us more capable of keeping hold of the ball, but only when they are used to the intensity of getting the ball moving forward fast at pace, something they haven't evidenced since the penultimate season under Hughes. If they can't move the ball fast (which I suspect they can't based upon history) then I'd do as we are doing, hitting it long asap giving the front players as much space to attack in as possible. To keep the ball in the way we have done in the past only allows for the opposition to get all of their men behind the ball and we aren't technically, physically or fast enough to break them down when this happens. And I agree with that apart from I don't think we do know if they can or can't do it. Mikel is so much better on the ball than any deeper central player we've had in the last 10 years apart from Fonz imo. I'd just like to see us try it. Although there is a time and place for pointless possession and going 4-2 up was it. We just didn't even attempt it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:32:00 GMT
I've read it countless times. "So are you suggesting that the players are being sent out to “hoof it” in our final third? How does that work?" How does hoofing into the final third work? Quite easily. How do you instruct that? Quite easily. I wasn’t on about hoofing the ball into our opponents third? I was wondering how you play hoof ball IN your opponents third. Who do you “hoof” the ball to in that area of the pitch? This is surreal. What are you even going on about? |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:34:44 GMT
I wasn’t on about hoofing the ball into our opponents third? I was wondering how you play hoof ball IN your opponents third. Who do you “hoof” the ball to in that area of the pitch? This is surreal. What are you even going on about? I agree it’s getting tiresome. You’ve read my post and still don’t understand so just leave it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:35:56 GMT
This is surreal. What are you even going on about? I agree it’s getting tiresome. You’ve read my post and still don’t understand so just leave it. Yeah because it makes zero sense. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:44:43 GMT
I agree it’s getting tiresome. You’ve read my post and still don’t understand so just leave it. Yeah because it makes zero sense. Only to you unfortunately |
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 24, 2020 16:48:01 GMT
Yeah because it makes zero sense. Only to you unfortunately Mick why don't you just clarify the point as bayern has clearly misunderstood it? Maybe then it can be discussed without all this pointless antagonism. Bayern mick said hoof it *in* (not into) the final third. He's saying that as you were talking about hoofing it, the forward players don't come into it because they are not the ones instructed to hoof it. |
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 24, 2020 16:52:38 GMT
Only to you unfortunately Mick why don't you just clarify the point as bayern has clearly misunderstood it? Maybe then it can be discussed without all this pointless antagonism. Bayern mick said hoof it *in* (not into) the final third. He's saying that as you were talking about hoofing it, the forward players don't come into it because they are not the ones instructed to hoof it. Thanks for clarifying PL. Sadly, I’ve lost the will to discuss further. |
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Post by femark on Nov 24, 2020 17:03:25 GMT
Huddersfield tried to "play football" and "keep the ball" and conceded some daft goals because of it. They did but there's a balance to be struck isn't there? I agree! But I think were closer to that balance than you do. I believe we're 7th in the league for % of long balls but were seeing a lot more measured passes and balls into space than we did under our previous "long ball merchant". |
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Post by nonameface on Nov 24, 2020 18:22:07 GMT
I'd like to see us more capable of keeping hold of the ball, but only when they are used to the intensity of getting the ball moving forward fast at pace, something they haven't evidenced since the penultimate season under Hughes. If they can't move the ball fast (which I suspect they can't based upon history) then I'd do as we are doing, hitting it long asap giving the front players as much space to attack in as possible. To keep the ball in the way we have done in the past only allows for the opposition to get all of their men behind the ball and we aren't technically, physically or fast enough to break them down when this happens. And I agree with that apart from I don't think we do know if they can or can't do it. Mikel is so much better on the ball than any deeper central player we've had in the last 10 years apart from Fonz imo. I'd just like to see us try it. Although there is a time and place for pointless possession and going 4-2 up was it. We just didn't even attempt it. Yeah Mikel is possibly the best midfielder we have for playing attacking passes, which was a surprise and Fonz was a complete cut above anything I've ever seen for dictating the game (too young for the League cup team). At 4-2 pointless possession would have been beautiful, absolutely. Those things said, I struggle to see this team playing successfully more expansive football and until we've built up momentum I'd be inclined to continue as is (momentum is a great thing to have), even if that lack of risk taking may limit our ability to dominate. |
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