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Post by spitthedog on Nov 11, 2020 15:15:47 GMT
Apparently Collymore has since apologised for this rant and the offence it may have caused btw I'm a bit puzzled with the obsession with Collymore though tbh, a comment from a random ex-footballer who gets very excited on Twitter like many, many other unfortunate souls. Its very easy to find such crazed rants on Twitter, I don't see how this has any bearing on issues with Clarke. If Collymore was Head of the FA, or anyone significant I could understand the obsession with it, but he's not. Because he's a woman-beating scumbag that people will quite rightly hold against him when he tries to claim the moral high ground. I'm not surprised that the 'sins of the past' are forgotten about when it's someone banging a left wing drum though! Additionally, he's made his comments in the public domain with the intention of people reading it, ergo said people have a right to pull him up on any elements of his post that are hypocritical or offensive 😊 What exactly is achieved with pulling him up on here though? How is that going to confront his ideas in any way, or contribute constructively to the issue of the thread. There is literally millions of random stuff being posted on Twitter every day about all sorts, he's obviously got issues, but it would be much more constructive to separate the personalities from arguments. Total obsession with him, which is bizarre, irrational and irrelevant imho. If the FA were paying him loads of money while he's posting I could understand it. If you think he's such an irrelevance why go on about him so much. Just playing to the crowd using an easy target? What does it contribute to any constructive debate about the subject?
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Post by thevoid on Nov 11, 2020 15:26:55 GMT
Because he's a woman-beating scumbag that people will quite rightly hold against him when he tries to claim the moral high ground. I'm not surprised that the 'sins of the past' are forgotten about when it's someone banging a left wing drum though! Additionally, he's made his comments in the public domain with the intention of people reading it, ergo said people have a right to pull him up on any elements of his post that are hypocritical or offensive 😊 What exactly is achieved with pulling him up on here though? How is that going to confront his ideas in any way, or contribute constructively to the issue of the thread. There is literally millions of random stuff being posted on Twitter every day about all sorts, he's obviously got issues, but it would be much more constructive to separate the personalities from arguments. Total obsession with him, which is bizarre, irrational and irrelevant imho. If the FA were paying him loads of money while he's posting I could understand it. If you think he's such an irrelevance why go on about him so much. Just playing to the crowd using an easy target? What does it contribute to any constructive debate about the subject? Because someone linked a Tweet by him so we're chatting about it. Beyond that, he won't even know we're talking about him. I haven't said he's an irrelevance. Clearly, he has many followers on social media with being in the public eye therefore his words carry more influence than anyone on here. Anyway, he's since apologised so we move on.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Nov 11, 2020 16:04:25 GMT
Breaking news - Nello wants me to put his name forward to succeed Greg Clarke. As ever, he keeps his horizons broad, and why not ?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 11, 2020 16:08:20 GMT
If someone calls you 'gammon' he's saying the skin colour of your face looks like cured pig meat, you're quite entitled to take serious offence should you wish ! I’m having a nice slice of gammon for tea, at no point will I think it could be used in a derogatory way, not that it would bother me anyway, I bet the pig is the one coming out worse in the whole scenario. 🐖 🐖🐖 🐷 With Egg or Pineapple? If it's the latter you're offending the pig. Shame on you.
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Post by questionable on Nov 11, 2020 16:48:29 GMT
I’m having a nice slice of gammon for tea, at no point will I think it could be used in a derogatory way, not that it would bother me anyway, I bet the pig is the one coming out worse in the whole scenario. 🐖 🐖🐖 🐷 With Egg or Pineapple? If it's the latter you're offending the pig. Shame on you. No idea I’m afraid as either way I upset a pineapple or the egg, such a mind blowing dilemma, one way to cure the obesity problem in the U.K I suppose, Food/Face/Outcome
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 11, 2020 17:52:06 GMT
I’m having a nice slice of gammon for tea, at no point will I think it could be used in a derogatory way, not that it would bother me anyway, I bet the pig is the one coming out worse in the whole scenario. 🐖 🐖🐖 🐷 With Egg or Pineapple? If it's the latter you're offending the pig. Shame on you. Pineapple is the food of the devil.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 11, 2020 18:10:21 GMT
Breaking news - Nello wants me to put his name forward to succeed Greg Clarke. As ever, he keeps his horizons broad, and why not ? Well, with you supporting him plus the Archbishops of Canterbury, York and Durham. he's got a better chance than most! When he has his first session with the Culture Media and Sport Comittee, the BBC Parliament Channel will surely set a new viewing record!
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Post by skip on Nov 11, 2020 21:20:52 GMT
I don't see Gammon as being linked to class, Working or otherwise (and I am more than critical over displays of classism of which I have been on the receiving of myself, but something that pales into insignificance when compared to racist remarks) but rather, it is a remark - and yes, a wholly pejorative one - aimed at men (yes, more often than not white) who get their knickers in a twist over anything from Brussels, people being dismissive of overt displays of patriotism, to more generally other forms of social progress of which they pertain to be at best confused, often simply dismissive of and yes occasionally outraged by, causing that flush of blood to the cheeks. A more recent derivative would be flag nonce. Made me laugh the first time I heard that one. But you don't see it being offensive to call someone a paedophile ? Strange. I have no clue what the reply means.
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 12, 2020 8:11:50 GMT
But you don't see it being offensive to call someone a paedophile ? Strange. I have no clue what the reply means. "Flag nonce", makes you laugh ?
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Post by skip on Nov 13, 2020 13:32:47 GMT
I have no clue what the reply means. "Flag nonce", makes you laugh ? It's not calling someone a paedophile. Anyway, let's move on.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 13, 2020 17:06:29 GMT
I think you’ve knocked the nail on the head. People just want consistancy in the way that those in position to deal with the matter eg the government, Police, FA or any boss. It doesn’t matter what ethnicity you are it’s about how you conduct yourself on all matters whatever position your in. It’s about trying to do the right thing for the right reasons and not to point score or take advantage of a situation by blowing it up out of proportion. If you’re in the public eye your responsibility is even greater because people look to you to lead by example. For me the biggest problem is the media who no longer just report what’s happening impartially they do it from a personal perspective and the likes of Twitter where everyone has an opinion and it goes out to the masses and just causes arguments. It’s good to have discussion but boy can it get nasty. Indeed. We're getting slightly off the main topic so I'll not say too much, but there do appear to be different rules for different people, as if that comes as a surprise to anyone! For example, I am under no illusions that Lord Kilclooney will not be resigning his lordship as a result of referring to Vice President-elect Kamala Harris as "the Indian", which strikes me as far more deliberately and calculatedly insulting than anything Clarke said yesterday. He's also got a history, so apologising seems a bit thin in his case. With regard to the internet and social media, you could get rid of 90% of the unnecessary unpleasantness overnight by removing anonymity, but I can't see that happening so I suppose we're stuck with it. I wonder how Clarke feels about this? Different 'rules' for different people, obviously... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54928478
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 13, 2020 17:14:45 GMT
"Flag nonce", makes you laugh ? It's not calling someone a paedophile. Anyway, let's move on. How is it not ? Or do you not know the words meaning ?
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Post by skip on Nov 13, 2020 21:24:41 GMT
It's not calling someone a paedophile. Anyway, let's move on. How is it not ? Or do you not know the words meaning ? Flags. Big wafts colourful things. Denote belonging. Tend to run them up a pole to blow in the wind. Most associated with people who largely self identify with whichever lump of rock they happen to have been born on. A flag nonce has a weird thing for flags.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 13, 2020 21:26:49 GMT
How is it not ? Or do you not know the words meaning ? Flags. Big wafts colourful things. Denote belonging. Tend to run them up a pole to blow in the wind. Most associated with people who largely self identify with whichever lump of rock they happen to have been born on. A flag nonce has a weird thing for flags. I think a flag nonce is someone who claims a flag then changes their mind onto the next popular flag. I may be wrong
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 14, 2020 10:28:49 GMT
How is it not ? Or do you not know the words meaning ? Flags. Big wafts colourful things. Denote belonging. Tend to run them up a pole to blow in the wind. Most associated with people who largely self identify with whichever lump of rock they happen to have been born on. A flag nonce has a weird thing for flags. You can try being as clever as you like, trying to twist and deny what you posted, but your hypocrisy is there for all to see.
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 14, 2020 10:37:45 GMT
Flags. Big wafts colourful things. Denote belonging. Tend to run them up a pole to blow in the wind. Most associated with people who largely self identify with whichever lump of rock they happen to have been born on. A flag nonce has a weird thing for flags. I think a flag nonce is someone who claims a flag then changes their mind onto the next popular flag. I may be wrong Read his original post, it's a new term for what he normally calls 'gammons', or white middle aged men that express an opinion on anything.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 14, 2020 10:42:40 GMT
Flags. Big wafts colourful things. Denote belonging. Tend to run them up a pole to blow in the wind. Most associated with people who largely self identify with whichever lump of rock they happen to have been born on. A flag nonce has a weird thing for flags. You can try being as clever as you like, trying to twist and deny what you posted, but your hypocrisy is there for all to see. As I understand it, in the context of social media in the UK, a flag nonce, is someone who has the British Flag as part of their user profile and tends in online arguments about race, to use words such as "I'm not a racist - but......" - and then proceeds to express views which many would consider to be racist. Obviously the nonce part of the description flag nonce is borrowed from the urban slang for paedophile, but I doubt if there is usually any suggestion in the use of the term flag nonce, that the user is actually a paedophile.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 14, 2020 10:55:56 GMT
With Egg or Pineapple? If it's the latter you're offending the pig. Shame on you. Pineapple is the food of the devil. Only when on a pizza!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 14, 2020 10:57:07 GMT
Pineapple is the food of the devil. Only when on a pizza! And on top of Gammon👀
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 14, 2020 11:01:12 GMT
Goes without saying mate!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 14, 2020 11:05:07 GMT
Goes without saying mate! Can’t put Apple with pork either although I’m probably in the minority with that one🤔
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 14, 2020 11:14:04 GMT
Goes without saying mate! Can’t put Apple with pork either although I’m probably in the minority with that one🤔 The only fruit allowed with meat is a tomato, end of!
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 14, 2020 11:22:45 GMT
You can try being as clever as you like, trying to twist and deny what you posted, but your hypocrisy is there for all to see. As I understand it, in the context of social media in the UK, a flag nonce, is someone who has the British Flag as part of their user profile and tends in online arguments about race, to use words such as "I'm not a racist - but......" - and then proceeds to express views which many would consider to be racist. Obviously the nonce part of the description flag nonce is borrowed from the urban slang for paedophile, but I doubt if there is usually any suggestion in the use of the term flag nonce, that the user is actually a paedophile. I know what you are trying to say, but if you used 'nonce' to describe any type of group or minority, you would be immediately crucified.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 14, 2020 11:33:02 GMT
As I understand it, in the context of social media in the UK, a flag nonce, is someone who has the British Flag as part of their user profile and tends in online arguments about race, to use words such as "I'm not a racist - but......" - and then proceeds to express views which many would consider to be racist. Obviously the nonce part of the description flag nonce is borrowed from the urban slang for paedophile, but I doubt if there is usually any suggestion in the use of the term flag nonce, that the user is actually a paedophile. I know what you are trying to say, but if you used 'nonce' to describe any type of group or minority, you would be immediately crucified. I'm simply saying what the social media slang usage of the words "flag nonce" mean. I've never used the words myself - in fact I try, as far as possible to avoid most social media slang. LOL and a few other acronyms and abbreviations are about as far as I ever go! However, I wouldn't have a great deal of sympathy for any racist who had the words flag nonce used about him. I regard racism and paedophilia with equal contempt.
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 14, 2020 11:39:51 GMT
I know what you are trying to say, but if you used 'nonce' to describe any type of group or minority, you would be immediately crucified. I'm simply saying what the social media slang usage of the words "flag nonce" mean. I've never used the words myself - in fact I try, as far as possible to avoid most social media slang. LOL and a few other acronyms and abbreviations are about as far as I ever go! However, I wouldn't have a great deal of sympathy for any racist who had the words flag nonce used about him. I regard racism and paedophilia with equal contempt. And so they should be, my objection is that anyone white and middle aged who doesn't toe the seemingly compulsory pc line, is classed as a 'gammon', and now described by a moniker given to paedophiles, why should that be acceptable ?
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Post by skip on Nov 14, 2020 16:16:57 GMT
I'm simply saying what the social media slang usage of the words "flag nonce" mean. I've never used the words myself - in fact I try, as far as possible to avoid most social media slang. LOL and a few other acronyms and abbreviations are about as far as I ever go! However, I wouldn't have a great deal of sympathy for any racist who had the words flag nonce used about him. I regard racism and paedophilia with equal contempt. And so they should be, my objection is that anyone white and middle aged who doesn't toe the seemingly compulsory pc line, is classed as a 'gammon', and now described by a moniker given to paedophiles, why should that be acceptable ? Would you prefer flag-o-phile? Like bibliophile, as in someone that likes books a lot. Not like rank and file. That's different.
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Post by medwaypotter on Nov 14, 2020 17:44:49 GMT
And so they should be, my objection is that anyone white and middle aged who doesn't toe the seemingly compulsory pc line, is classed as a 'gammon', and now described by a moniker given to paedophiles, why should that be acceptable ? Would you prefer flag-o-phile? Like bibliophile, as in someone that likes books a lot. Not like rank and file. That's different. I'd just prefer left wing pricks to recognise their hypocrisy in fairness.
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Post by skip on Nov 14, 2020 22:12:09 GMT
I think a flag nonce is someone who claims a flag then changes their mind onto the next popular flag. I may be wrong Read his original post, it's a new term for what he normally calls 'gammons', or white middle aged men that express an opinion on anything. Was it Aristotle who proclaimed something like all birds fly, not everything that flies is a bird? Anyway, I am a white middle aged man expressing an opinion but I am not a flag nonce nor a gammon. I am, in some person's eyes, a left wing prick.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 15, 2020 7:47:55 GMT
Read his original post, it's a new term for what he normally calls 'gammons', or white middle aged men that express an opinion on anything. Was it Aristotle who proclaimed something like all birds fly, not everything that flies is a bird? Anyway, I am a white middle aged man expressing an opinion but I am not a flag nonce nor a gammon. I am, in some person's eyes, a left wing prick. You haven’t been busy watching seagulls following a trawler have you
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 15, 2020 8:14:20 GMT
Read his original post, it's a new term for what he normally calls 'gammons', or white middle aged men that express an opinion on anything. Was it Aristotle who proclaimed something like all birds fly, not everything that flies is a bird? Anyway, I am a white middle aged man expressing an opinion but I am not a flag nonce nor a gammon. I am, in some person's eyes, a left wing prick. Stop moaning Skip. If you believe in: the need for action on Climate Change, gun control, wearing masks and social distancing in crowded places in a pandemic, that children who arrive at school hungry aren't in the best position to learn efficiently, that our Police should be subject to the same rigorous law enforcement as they dish out to the rest of us, that Trump has not had the election stolen from him and that Biden doesn't actually qualify as a Socialist - you are guilty as charged - I know I am!
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