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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 26, 2020 13:15:05 GMT
Greece should give him £10m,after all, he and his family are the victims. That is if you believe the prick.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 26, 2020 13:23:54 GMT
Which European courts did you have in mind? Maybe the ecj which of course Greece is a member You don't sound too sure. But it does sound like you're happy with the role and jurisdiction of the ECHR, of which (of course) Greece is also a member.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 26, 2020 13:44:20 GMT
Another Brit abroad, doing what we do best. If the country wants bugger all to do with Europe Wagastokie, stop visiting it.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 26, 2020 14:06:39 GMT
Not particularly however he was tried, sentenced and imprisoned in a day in a UK court of law Why the whistling emoji? Why not ? like I said tried, sentenced and imprisoned in the same day ! yet we have some slagging the Greek legal system as out dated and draconian
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 26, 2020 14:40:20 GMT
But many on here are believing everything the prosecutor offered but dismissing everything the defence has said Seriously it was all over in 3 hours, that’s an Islamic state courtroom not a western legal system I am surprised that an expensive defence team such as Man United would have provided, got themselves into a situation where they went to trial with: a) only a few hours to see the charge sheet before the trial started and b) with many potential defence witnesses (including the defendants and some of their families) over a thousand miles away in the UK. If I was Maguire and Man United I'd hope for better legal advice than they seem to have got for their money. Personally, I think Maguire and his co defendants were so eager to get on a plane home when they were released from Police custody, they they didn't stop to consider the potential implications that a trial without them being there would have for their chances of an aquittal. I understand from today's papers that an appeal under the Greek legal system automatically means (unlike in England and wales) virtually a full re-trial - possibly in many months time. Maguire must hope that his legal team (or possibly a new legal team?) will use the period before the new trial to mount a better defence than they managed to yesterday and that they will be able to call witnesses to rebut some of the prosecution case. As a side issue - does anyone know if countries like the USA regard suspended custodial sentences as a bar to entry to the country in the same way as a custodial sentence which was not suspended is regarded? I think the defence strategy was based on the simple phrase "the Captain of Manchester United". How could he be convicted of anything or be a villain of any sort if he played for such an illustrious club. I suspect the lawyers failed to catch the mood of the moment.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Aug 26, 2020 14:46:58 GMT
I am surprised that an expensive defence team such as Man United would have provided, got themselves into a situation where they went to trial with: a) only a few hours to see the charge sheet before the trial started and b) with many potential defence witnesses (including the defendants and some of their families) over a thousand miles away in the UK. If I was Maguire and Man United I'd hope for better legal advice than they seem to have got for their money. Personally, I think Maguire and his co defendants were so eager to get on a plane home when they were released from Police custody, they they didn't stop to consider the potential implications that a trial without them being there would have for their chances of an aquittal. I understand from today's papers that an appeal under the Greek legal system automatically means (unlike in England and wales) virtually a full re-trial - possibly in many months time. Maguire must hope that his legal team (or possibly a new legal team?) will use the period before the new trial to mount a better defence than they managed to yesterday and that they will be able to call witnesses to rebut some of the prosecution case. As a side issue - does anyone know if countries like the USA regard suspended custodial sentences as a bar to entry to the country in the same way as a custodial sentence which was not suspended is regarded? I think the defence strategy was based on the simple phrase "the Captain of Manchester United". How could he be convicted of anything or be a villein of any sort if he played for such an illustrious club. I suspect the lawyers failed to catch the mood of the moment. Villein? What’s a medieval tenant got to do with it all? I know Somerset is backward but really?😜
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 26, 2020 14:53:42 GMT
I think the defence strategy was based on the simple phrase "the Captain of Manchester United". How could he be convicted of anything or be a villein of any sort if he played for such an illustrious club. I suspect the lawyers failed to catch the mood of the moment. Villein? What’s a medieval tenant got to do with it all? I know Somerset is backward but really?😜[/b] Fair comment, now corrected. Regular readers of my posts might remember that I actually live in a Medieval City, and we still use some of these archaic terms here on a daily basis.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 26, 2020 16:21:19 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 26, 2020 17:12:38 GMT
People calling Maguire all sorts then sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon. No wonder our society is fucked.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 26, 2020 17:51:57 GMT
Fergie worked his magic just got to get the availability dates for Webb and Mariner as judges and job done
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 26, 2020 18:31:44 GMT
?????????????????????????????????????????????? What? There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that anyone from the British public (let alone millions!!!) want us to adopt the Greek legal system in this country There is about as much evidence as there is that the Greeks want to adopt the British legal system. That is just misinformed nonsense. Notice I used the term eouropean courts plural no where have I particularly mentioned Greece and what has this case got to so with European Courts??? It took place in a Greek court if you hadn't heard? I don't see the relevance of your comment. Just more irrelevant misinformed fictitious nonsense.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2020 18:40:35 GMT
Will they go to VAR
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 26, 2020 18:53:37 GMT
Will they go to VAR And still get it wrong
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Post by thehoof on Aug 26, 2020 20:18:02 GMT
Given that the previous charge and therefore sentence are now totally null and void, he’d better hope that the higher court believes him to be innocent, otherwise the suspended sentence may become actual imprisonment for a few months.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 26, 2020 20:48:13 GMT
Given that the previous charge and therefore sentence are now totally null and void, he’d better hope that the higher court believes him to be innocent, otherwise the suspended sentence may become actual imprisonment for a few months. I see Man Utd have retained him as captain, based on the charge being declared null and void and therefore no criminal record. I wonder if Southgate now feels obliged to reinstate him to the squad... or indeed whether Maguire expects to be.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 26, 2020 21:19:43 GMT
if this was you or me, then we would have been given a smack and a swift return to the UK without as much as our parents knowing, obviously being the punch line of any joke in the local pub, as it is, it is a Man Utd and England player and the world can seemingly pass judgement on something that we all know only 10% of what happened and some are ready to hang him, others think he has done fuck all wrong, i would think reasonably its somewhere in the middle. I don't buy the official love in from the UK based media, but I trust the Greek press/officials much less. I have had some info passed to me from people that were there, and I honestly think that all is not what it seems. Lets stop the trial by internet and let in run its course, cos seriously it doesn't really have any bearing on us, and like i said if it was Darron from Longton, even the sentinel wouldn't give it a 3 inch column on page 28
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2020 6:15:46 GMT
People calling Maguire all sorts then sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon. No wonder our society is fucked. "sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon" I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters one who whom has liked your post, criticising Greek law whilst ignoring how the law in the UK handled this case, tried, sentenced and imprisoned in a day that is a fact.
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Post by werrington on Aug 27, 2020 6:29:10 GMT
People calling Maguire all sorts then sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon. No wonder our society is fucked. "sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon" I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters one who whom has liked your post, criticising Greek law whilst ignoring how the law in the UK handled this case, tried, sentenced and imprisoned in a day that is a fact. Some cases can be covered and sorted in a few hours ....this one involving Maguire and his charges can not Offence to trial and conviction in a few days ....given the seriousness of them cmon eh it’s night and day
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 27, 2020 6:42:42 GMT
If found guilty, the best outcome at his retrial will be immediate custodial sentence. Hopefully this will backfire on Man Utd who have clearly orchestrated the appeal in order to free him up for immediate selection for foreign travel games in champions league.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 27, 2020 6:56:32 GMT
Another Brit abroad, doing what we do best. If the country wants bugger all to do with Europe Wagastokie, stop visiting it. You sad remain tossers can't resist bringing me In to a thread Just accept you were on the wrong side and learn to accept our glorious freedom
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2020 7:04:58 GMT
"sticking up for vermin like Yaxley Lennon" I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of some posters one who whom has liked your post, criticising Greek law whilst ignoring how the law in the UK handled this case, tried, sentenced and imprisoned in a day that is a fact. Some cases can be covered and sorted in a few hours ....this one involving Maguire and his charges can not Offence to trial and conviction in a few days ....given the seriousness of them cmon eh it’s night and day
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 27, 2020 7:06:56 GMT
Another Brit abroad, doing what we do best. If the country wants bugger all to do with Europe Wagastokie, stop visiting it. You sad remain tossers can't resist bringing me In to a thread Just accept you were on the wrong side and learn to accept our glorious freedom What is wrong with these remoaners, they will get their opportunity to reverse the result in another 37 years
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 27, 2020 8:31:30 GMT
if this was you or me, then we would have been given a smack and a swift return to the UK without as much as our parents knowing, obviously being the punch line of any joke in the local pub, as it is, it is a Man Utd and England player and the world can seemingly pass judgement on something that we all know only 10% of what happened and some are ready to hang him, others think he has done fuck all wrong, i would think reasonably its somewhere in the middle. I don't buy the official love in from the UK based media, but I trust the Greek press/officials much less. I have had some info passed to me from people that were there, and I honestly think that all is not what it seems. Lets stop the trial by internet and let in run its course, cos seriously it doesn't really have any bearing on us, and like i said if it was Darron from Longton, even the sentinel wouldn't give it a 3 inch column on page 28 That’s because The Sentinel is a wank shit rag😏
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 27, 2020 10:35:05 GMT
Another Brit abroad, doing what we do best. If the country wants bugger all to do with Europe Wagastokie, stop visiting it. You sad remain tossers can't resist bringing me In to a thread Just accept you were on the wrong side and learn to accept our glorious freedom Yes Mr Trump.. whatever you say sir.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 27, 2020 18:45:11 GMT
Another Brit abroad, doing what we do best. If the country wants bugger all to do with Europe Wagastokie, stop visiting it. You sad remain tossers can't resist bringing me In to a thread Just accept you were on the wrong side and learn to accept our glorious freedom I didn’t vote to remain- unlike you though, I do take in the other sides argument. You are just a little Britain merchant. I take it you never visit the Europe you clearly dislike so much.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 27, 2020 21:03:05 GMT
Anyone just seen his interview on the news?
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Post by henry on Aug 27, 2020 21:07:00 GMT
Anyone just seen his interview on the news? Yep, seems a decent bloke to me.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 27, 2020 21:08:49 GMT
Anyone just seen his interview on the news? Yep, seems a decent bloke to me. Yeh he seemed genuine. If he was as thick as people say that personality wouldn’t come out. And well done to him for doing the interview, not many would
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Post by ab61 on Aug 27, 2020 21:51:36 GMT
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Post by Gods on Aug 27, 2020 22:20:33 GMT
I don't think Dan Roan does a good job with the interview. He had however long it was with Maguire but failed to get any kind of coherent and systematic account of events out of him. ...he's out and about, his sister suddenly goes doolally, he is told someone has injected her with something and next thing we know he's outside a police station with a plain clothes officer tying to break his legs. Nothing in between. I don't know if something was lost in the editing for the news report?
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