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Post by liathroid on Aug 27, 2020 22:41:51 GMT
I don't think Dan Roan does a good job with the interview. He had however long it was with Maguire but failed to get any kind of coherent and systematic account of events out of him. ...he's out and about, his sister suddenly goes doolally, he is told someone has injected her with something and next thing we know he's outside a police station with a plain clothes officer tying to break his legs. Nothing in between. I don't know if something was lost in the editing for the news report? were his legs marked
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2020 2:08:08 GMT
Interesting interview. Pretty hard to know what to make of it but surprised he’s been allowed to do it bearing in mind the case hasn’t been for retrial yet.
If the trial was over here there’s no way in the world he’d be allowed to discuss the incident with the mainstream media due to it potentially affecting the judgement of the jury.
It’ll be interesting to know the Greeks thoughts on it. I doubt they’ll be very happy as his account should have been saved for the courtroom not the BBC.
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2020 7:27:43 GMT
Interesting interview. Pretty hard to know what to make of it but surprised he’s been allowed to do it bearing in mind the case hasn’t been for retrial yet. If the trial was over here there’s no way in the world he’d be allowed to discuss the incident with the mainstream media due to it potentially affecting the judgement of the jury. It’ll be interesting to know the Greeks thoughts on it. I doubt they’ll be very happy as his account should have been saved for the courtroom not the BBC. Slightly bizarre hes admitted in that interview to hurting the police officer not sure who thought that would be a good idea to speak.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2020 7:56:18 GMT
Interesting interview. Pretty hard to know what to make of it but surprised he’s been allowed to do it bearing in mind the case hasn’t been for retrial yet. If the trial was over here there’s no way in the world he’d be allowed to discuss the incident with the mainstream media due to it potentially affecting the judgement of the jury. It’ll be interesting to know the Greeks thoughts on it. I doubt they’ll be very happy as his account should have been saved for the courtroom not the BBC. Slightly bizarre hes admitted in that interview to hurting the police officer not sure who thought that would be a good idea to speak. It was a very one sided interview not an ounce of remorse or regret. I’m not convinced that’s going to go down well in Greece. He’s clearly going to go down the self defence route and the officers not identifying themselves.
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2020 8:05:18 GMT
Slightly bizarre hes admitted in that interview to hurting the police officer not sure who thought that would be a good idea to speak. It was a very one sided interview not an ounce of remorse or regret. I’m not convinced that’s going to go down well in Greece. He’s clearly going to go down the self defence route and the officers not identifying themselves. It seems that way but like you say, I'm not sure why he felt the need to do an interview now why not just wait until after the appeal 🤷♂️
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2020 8:20:21 GMT
It was a very one sided interview not an ounce of remorse or regret. I’m not convinced that’s going to go down well in Greece. He’s clearly going to go down the self defence route and the officers not identifying themselves. It seems that way but like you say, I'm not sure why he felt the need to do an interview now why not just wait until after the appeal 🤷♂️ Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2020 9:21:43 GMT
It seems that way but like you say, I'm not sure why he felt the need to do an interview now why not just wait until after the appeal 🤷♂️ Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same? The issues more around the timing and the way it was done. Before the court hearing and why do it in interview form on the BBC. It’s something that should be quite sensitive. The only reason it’s become very public is because of the press. Without there involvement he would be the same as anyone else who ends up in court and it could be dealt with privately as it should be. Yet who are the first people he goes to? We’re all different but I’d be keeping quiet till it’s all done and dusted rather than leaving it to the press and social media to debate even more when they weren’t there or don’t know him or those involved instead choosing to back him up because he seems like a good lad. On that note it’s amazing how many people on twitter seem to know him personally or were there.
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2020 9:42:01 GMT
It seems that way but like you say, I'm not sure why he felt the need to do an interview now why not just wait until after the appeal 🤷♂️ Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same? I get that but he's still in the middle if a court case and in this country he could be in contemt giving interviews etc thats the point I'm making. Even in this country you can get arrested and tried in the same day so thats not unusual to me so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Once the case is completed he can do as he pleases and rightly so I just find it strange with proceedings coming up he would do such a thing.
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Post by alanhudson1972 on Aug 28, 2020 10:14:36 GMT
Old "Easter Island" head 🗿🗿is clearly a thick lying cunt, as well as being a self entitled big headed twat 🗿🗿, the more I hear about uber rich modern day football, and footballers, the more I grow to detest the game and those involved in it. 🗿🗿
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2020 12:09:45 GMT
Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same? I get that but he's still in the middle if a court case and in this country he could be in contemt giving interviews etc thats the point I'm making. Even in this country you can get arrested and tried in the same day so thats not unusual to me so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Once the case is completed he can do as he pleases and rightly so I just find it strange with proceedings coming up he would do such a thing. Spot on. I think we have to bear in mind that 1- he could be lying. 2- he’s got advisers who’ve told him what to say in the interview. 3- that perhaps the reason the incident was dealt with so quickly was because he had to go back to the U.K.
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2020 14:39:53 GMT
I get that but he's still in the middle if a court case and in this country he could be in contemt giving interviews etc thats the point I'm making. Even in this country you can get arrested and tried in the same day so thats not unusual to me so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Once the case is completed he can do as he pleases and rightly so I just find it strange with proceedings coming up he would do such a thing. Spot on. I think we have to bear in mind that 1- he could be lying. 2- he’s got advisers who’ve told him what to say in the interview. 3- that perhaps the reason the incident was dealt with so quickly was because he had to go back to the U.K. He wasn't there mate he was released on Saturday came back to the UK and the trial was in his absence. His lawyers were there including one of Greece best so its unlikely they played a fast one. Imo it was quick because it was a relatively simple case 🤷♂️
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Post by thfc67 on Aug 28, 2020 15:22:36 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 28, 2020 15:39:01 GMT
It seems that way but like you say, I'm not sure why he felt the need to do an interview now why not just wait until after the appeal 🤷♂️ Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same? Not that you were asking me, but I don't think the same. I think, without an understanding of the Greek legal system, and a familiarity with the evidence presented by the prosecution and defence, everything is pure speculation. Maybe Michael Vaughan has both. Otherwise his opinion in the Standard link (above) is worthless.
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2020 16:14:32 GMT
Was he there? He’s only backing up the prosecution version of events
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2020 16:39:31 GMT
Was he there? He’s only backing up the prosecution version of events No but he's seen the evidence which is more than any of us can say, but it doesn't stop people saying it was a stitch up 🤷♂️ Edit: or that he's guilty for some perspective.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 28, 2020 16:42:06 GMT
I always thought Michael Vaughan was quite intelligent does he not realise that Maguire could 1- lie 2- have been instructed by his brief to say what he did to win the public over. Ultimately all we really know is what Harry’s telling us. To get a true account we need to listen to both sides then make our minds up.
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2020 16:51:19 GMT
I always thought Michael Vaughan was quite intelligent does he not realise that Maguire could 1- lie 2- have been instructed by his brief to say what he did to win the public over. Ultimately all we really know is what Harry’s telling us. To get a true account we need to listen to both sides then make our minds up. That last sentence sums it up to a tee It’s a shame the majority on this thread can’t do that
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Post by puddledpotter on Aug 28, 2020 21:28:47 GMT
I am not going to pass a verdict on whether Harry Maguire behaved in this way or not,this will turn into a soap opera, his actions will become irrelevant and once the lawyers have constructed their version of events I will be surprised if even he recognises it. The fact that his club is standing by him should not be seen as important or of great evidential value, it is as predictable as night following day and nothing to do with whether he is guilty or not it is a commercial decision, they will do all they can to protect an £80 million investment which if he is convicted at the retrial will take a substantial hit. I am surprised that the lawyers allowed this interview to go ahead, if the intention was to enhance his credibility in advance of the retrial it probably backfired. For me it ranks alongside the ill judged decision of Prince Andrew to be interviewed by Emily Maitlis.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 28, 2020 22:33:03 GMT
I am not going to pass a verdict on whether Harry Maguire behaved in this way or not,this will turn into a soap opera, his actions will become irrelevant and once the lawyers have constructed their version of events I will be surprised if even he recognises it. The fact that his club is standing by him should not be seen as important or of great evidential value, it is as predictable as night following day and nothing to do with whether he is guilty or not it is a commercial decision, they will do all they can to protect an £80 million investment which if he is convicted at the retrial will take a substantial hit. I am surprised that the lawyers allowed this interview to go ahead, if the intention was to enhance his credibility in advance of the retrial it probably backfired. For me it ranks alongside the ill judged decision of Prince Andrew to be interviewed by Emily Maitlis. I understand your point but let’s not kid ourselves in value or values When your predecessors are Ferguson , Keane , Giggs , Rooney , cantona , Scholes and Butt Fine upstanding principals have little bearing on a institution bankrupt of anything. Other than those it makes up as it goes along to suit its end .its a temple of steaming puss as opposed to any bastion of moral value which underpins financial value young Harry if found guilty will be upholding a fine tradition
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 23:57:14 GMT
Probably because he’s been hung out to with everything being one sided prior to the case? It was all a bit kangaroo given when the offence was committed, the case going to court and the length of the trial Surely you think the same? I get that but he's still in the middle if a court case and in this country he could be in contemt giving interviews etc thats the point I'm making. Even in this country you can get arrested and tried in the same day so thats not unusual to me so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Once the case is completed he can do as he pleases and rightly so I just find it strange with proceedings coming up he would do such a thing. I can't see that there would be a contempt of Court if a Defendant in the UK decided to go to the press after conviction but before the appeal is heard. Im sure Ched Evans woukd have done, his family certainly did. There is absolutely no possibly chance at all that you could be arrested for assault and bribery in the UK then be having a trial the same day. The only offence where you may have a trial on the same day as being arrested is failing to surrender but that is it. Even minor public order offences or drunk and disorderly's are adjourned for trial.
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Post by franklin on Aug 29, 2020 6:48:02 GMT
I get that but he's still in the middle if a court case and in this country he could be in contemt giving interviews etc thats the point I'm making. Even in this country you can get arrested and tried in the same day so thats not unusual to me so I think that's a bit of a red herring. Once the case is completed he can do as he pleases and rightly so I just find it strange with proceedings coming up he would do such a thing. I can't see that there would be a contempt of Court if a Defendant in the UK decided to go to the press after conviction but before the appeal is heard. Im sure Ched Evans woukd have done, his family certainly did. There is absolutely no possibly chance at all that you could be arrested for assault and bribery in the UK then be having a trial the same day. The only offence where you may have a trial on the same day as being arrested is failing to surrender but that is it. Even minor public order offences or drunk and disorderly's are adjourned for trial. On this occasion his appeal means a retrial, fresh start from the beginning so its not after conviction its wiped off the record, so still no contept??. Quote"It is understood no date has yet been fixed for the appeal and, while United would like the matter dealt with as soon as possible, they recognise it could be a number of months before the appeal is heard.A club spokesman said: “An appeal against yesterday’s verdict was lodged this morning by Harry’s legal team. In accordance with the Greek judicial process, the filing of an appeal extinguishes the initial court verdict and nullifies the conviction. “The appeal has been accepted and will lead to a full retrial in a more senior court. This means that Harry has no criminal record and is once again presumed innocent until proven guilty. Accordingly, he is not subject to any international travel restrictions. I didn't mention what offences and said it happens on the same day. So a guilty plea mippyw to court never happens, all those people I've called to get in afternoon Court must have walked out. But thanks for confirming its possible anyway And this is a Greek Court so who knows how it works, it was 3 days after release 5 days after arrest anyway.
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Post by alanhudson1972 on Aug 29, 2020 9:19:49 GMT
I am not going to pass a verdict on whether Harry Maguire behaved in this way or not,this will turn into a soap opera, his actions will become irrelevant and once the lawyers have constructed their version of events I will be surprised if even he recognises it. The fact that his club is standing by him should not be seen as important or of great evidential value, it is as predictable as night following day and nothing to do with whether he is guilty or not it is a commercial decision, they will do all they can to protect an £80 million investment which if he is convicted at the retrial will take a substantial hit. I am surprised that the lawyers allowed this interview to go ahead, if the intention was to enhance his credibility in advance of the retrial it probably backfired. For me it ranks alongside the ill judged decision of P rince Andrew to be interviewed by Emily Maitlis. I can't decide whether Emily Maitlis is worthy of the spam javelin or not, Sophie Raworth would definitely get a porky length, maybe in a 3 ball with Raworth them I might test the water with Maitlis, jeez I really do think too much at times, and oh yes Maguire is a block headed cunt 🗿🗿🗿🗿
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Post by dexta on Aug 29, 2020 9:24:26 GMT
Something doesn't had up in all of this... In this world of modern technology there has been no footage of the event.. Unless someone else has seen anything
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 29, 2020 9:49:39 GMT
Something doesn't had up in all of this... In this world of modern technology there has been no footage of the event.. Unless someone else has seen anything Well there does seem a definite lack of mobile footage Maybe all Maguire's family and friends all had low batteries at the same time Which is very unfortunate as they could of posted videos on social media backing up poor old Harry's story of being brutally attacked by those nasty and vicious Greek police officers for no reason at all
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 29, 2020 9:56:36 GMT
My take on what has happened (and no I wasnt there), and I think Maguire was set-up.
Whenever an Albanian gangster is involved there is usually something very dodgy going on.
Probably tried to chat up Maguires sister and got pissed off when rejected
Talk of her being injected by him is clearly bollocks as the story was embellished later
But he probably tipped of his cop mates that Maguire was there and did something wrong.
Undercover police have then pulled his coach over for no real reason and tried to arrest Maquire.
I can believe Maguire knew something dodgy was going on and has fought with the police and done the bribery at the police station.
The police have continued to press charges and Maguire has been a bit of a tit - but understandable if there was a set-up happening.
They need to track down this Albanian gangster type and prove that part of the story.
Overall I think Maguire was been hard done by with the police and the gangster and was just protecting his sister. The judiciary will have to side with the police otherwise its a corruption charge.
The crucial question the defence needs to be asking is "why did the plain clothes police pull his minibus over when Maguire had not committed any crime beforehand?"
BUT like I say I wasnt there, ive just seen these kind of set-ups abroad before.
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Post by dexta on Aug 29, 2020 11:50:01 GMT
Something doesn't had up in all of this... In this world of modern technology there has been no footage of the event.. Unless someone else has seen anything Well there does seem a definite lack of mobile footage Maybe all Maguire's family and friends all had low batteries at the same time Which is very unfortunate as they could of posted videos on social media backing up poor old Harry's story of being brutally attacked by those nasty and vicious Greek police officers for no reason at all what about cctv footage from the restaurant he was in. could understand if he had been drinking down the owd hut in longton. Baffling
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 29, 2020 12:02:21 GMT
Well there does seem a definite lack of mobile footage Maybe all Maguire's family and friends all had low batteries at the same time Which is very unfortunate as they could of posted videos on social media backing up poor old Harry's story of being brutally attacked by those nasty and vicious Greek police officers for no reason at all what about cctv footage from the restaurant he was in. could understand if he had been drinking down the owd hut in longton. Baffling I would suppose the local Greek authorities have the cctv coverage if it exists It just seems a tad strange Some misguided individuals vandalise a statue in Bristol and hundreds post it on social media The captain of one of biggest football clubs in the world gets badly treated by jumped up Johnny foreigner plods And not a peep As toya wiIlcox once sang its a mystery
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Post by thehoof on Aug 29, 2020 12:05:55 GMT
As I said earlier, by getting the original verdict rendered null and void, Maguire will have to attend the retrial and if found guilty, face the very real prospect of incurring a potential (short) gaol sentence as the Greeks are quite keen to punish what they see as bribery. His defence team must know this, which makes me think that they must be convinced that they can prove his innocence. Part of that defence should involve results of his sister’s blood test, as Iam sure any traces of a drug would have been present?
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 29, 2020 12:38:16 GMT
As I said earlier, by getting the original verdict rendered null and void, Maguire will have to attend the retrial and if found guilty, face the very real prospect of incurring a potential (short) gaol sentence as the Greeks are quite keen to punish what they see as bribery. His defence team must know this, which makes me think that they must be convinced that they can prove his innocence. Part of that defence should involve results of his sister’s blood test, as Iam sure any traces of a drug would have been present? How does his sisters blood showing the signs of the drug prove his innocence All it shows is a level of mitigation which should be taken into consideration when determine the sentence
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Post by thehoof on Aug 29, 2020 13:56:20 GMT
Didn’t Maguire say that the whole start point for the incident was his concern for his sister who appeared to have been injected with some substance by a couple of unsavoury characters. If this is the case, it would be a harsh Court that did not at least take this into account as a mitigating circumstance- protection of a family member. On the other hand, if there was no evidence of anything out of the ordinary in her bloodstream, it would call into doubt the honesty of Maguire’s testimony.
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