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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 17:23:29 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-gossip-4420230A new winger with pace, creativity and goals An injury to James McClean or Tom Ince would leave O’Neill seriously short of wide attacking options, especially while Thibaud Verlinden is recovering from knee injury. Nick Powell and Tyrese Campbell have filled in there over the past few months but both would say their better used in the middle.
It’ll be interesting to see how often Campbell, who has scored four in six games as an outside right, will be used there this season and whether it will be Plan A or Plan B.
There has been speculation about the future of Ince but unless a decent offer comes in and Stoke have a couple of wingers lined up, it would seem unlikely they would be pushing him out of the door. O’Neill is trying to weave some magic and restore his old form and confidence. A firing Ince would be one of the first names on the teamsheet at most clubs in the Championship.
Either way, a new winger who can raise the bar, rather than act as deputy, should be top of the agenda.
Links have come with Hibernian’s Martin Boyle and Hull’s Mallik Wilks while other clubs have had joy in the past couple of seasons using loans, like Harry Wilson at Derby, Grady Diangana and Matheus Pereira at West Brom or Jacob Murphy at Sheffield Wednesday.
A game changer who has a cracking season can be the difference between mid-table and a promotion push.Strange we haven't seen may concrete links to wingers - given we maybe think it'll be our key attacking addition? Lots of insubstantial one-line links, but nothing substantial as yet Do we think we'd primarily be looking for someone to play on the right of the three, with Verlinden an option on both flanks, but McClean seen as much much of a key player than Ince? Any realistic Premier League loans available anywhere? No doubt half the Championship will be after the same ones if they are available -Martin Boyle (Hibs) Right 27 , entering last year of contract. Linked by Daily Record www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-hibernian-transfer-martin-boyle-4422697-Mallik Wilks (Hull) Right 21, 2 yrs left on contract. Linked by Footballinsider. - Jacob Murphy (Newcastle) Right 25, entering last year of deal. One of Wednesday's better players last year and already being linked with Championship teams www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/jacob-murphy-middlesbrough-sheffield-wednesday-18765597- Louis Appere (Dundee Utd) Right 21, 2 yrs left on contract. Linked in April by Footballinsider www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-louis-appere-4029456-Patrick Roberts (Man City) Right 23, 2 yrs left on deal. Bought for £12m as a teenager. Not really happened for him? -Jordon Ibe Right (free agent) 24, Bournemouth spell went about as badly as possible. -Jamal Lowe Right (Wigan) 26 , Going cheap in Wigan fire sale? -Jordan Jones (Rangers) Left. 25, Linked last month and January www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-among-trio-clubs-4384654Callum Roberts (Notts County) 22, Right. 2 yr left on deal. Going cheap from Conference. Made massive impact there. www.nottinghamsport.com/index.php/2020/07/27/the-impact-of-the-geordie-messi/www.themag.co.uk/2020/08/a-symbol-of-the-newcastle-united-wasted-young-talent-callum-roberts/Any other ideas?
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 17:26:12 GMT
Yes right winger is priority for me
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 17:28:14 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-news-gossip-4420230A new winger with pace, creativity and goals An injury to James McClean or Tom Ince would leave O’Neill seriously short of wide attacking options, especially while Thibaud Verlinden is recovering from knee injury. Nick Powell and Tyrese Campbell have filled in there over the past few months but both would say their better used in the middle.
It’ll be interesting to see how often Campbell, who has scored four in six games as an outside right, will be used there this season and whether it will be Plan A or Plan B.
There has been speculation about the future of Ince but unless a decent offer comes in and Stoke have a couple of wingers lined up, it would seem unlikely they would be pushing him out of the door. O’Neill is trying to weave some magic and restore his old form and confidence. A firing Ince would be one of the first names on the teamsheet at most clubs in the Championship.
Either way, a new winger who can raise the bar, rather than act as deputy, should be top of the agenda.
Links have come with Hibernian’s Martin Boyle and Hull’s Mallik Wilks while other clubs have had joy in the past couple of seasons using loans, like Harry Wilson at Derby, Grady Diangana and Matheus Pereira at West Brom or Jacob Murphy at Sheffield Wednesday.
A game changer who has a cracking season can be the difference between mid-table and a promotion push.Strange we haven't seen may concrete links to wingers - given we maybe think it'll be our key attacking addition? Lots of insubstantial one-line links, but nothing substantial as yet Do we think we'd primarily be looking for someone to play on the right of the three, with Verlinden an option on both, but McClean seen as much much of a key player than Ince? Any realistic Premier League loans available anywhere? No doubt half the Championship will be after the same ones if they are available -Martin Boyle (Hibs) Right 27 , entering last year of contract. Linked by Daily Record www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-hibernian-transfer-martin-boyle-4422697-Mallik Wilks (Hull) Right 21, 2 yrs left on contract. Linked by Footballinsider. - Jacob Murphy (Newcastle) Right, entering last year of deal. One of Wednesday's better players last year and already being linked with Championship teams - Louis Appere (Dundee Utd) Right 21, 2 yrs left on contract. Linked in April by Footballinsider www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-louis-appere-4029456-Patrick Roberts (Man City) Right 23, 2 yrs left on deal. Bought for £12m as a teenager. Not really happened for him? -Jordon Ibe Right (free agent) 24, Bournemouth spell went about as badly as possible. -Jamal Lowe Right (Wigan) 26 , Going cheap in Wigan fire sale? -Jordan Jones (Rangers) Left. 25, Linked last month and January www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-among-trio-clubs-4384654Callum Roberts (Notts County) 22, Right. 2 yr left on deal. Going cheap from Conference. Made massive impact there. www.nottinghamsport.com/index.php/2020/07/27/the-impact-of-the-geordie-messi/www.themag.co.uk/2020/08/a-symbol-of-the-newcastle-united-wasted-young-talent-callum-roberts/ Boyle and Jones seem the most realistic out of that lot. At least one of those wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest.....
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 13, 2020 17:30:20 GMT
THE Right Winger, or the right "Winger"?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 13, 2020 17:37:46 GMT
Callum Roberts for me. Young, hungry, good on the ball, set pieces, and best of all cheapest of the lot!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 17:39:07 GMT
Middlesbrough have enquired to neighbours Newcastle about Jacob Murphy’s availability on loan but a host of clubs are also looking at the winger, TEAMtalk understands.
Wednesday want the player back, whilst a host of Championship rivals such as Derby, Stoke and Nottingham Forest have shown an interest.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 17:51:16 GMT
Callum Roberts for me. Young, hungry, good on the ball, set pieces, and best of all cheapest of the lot! It would be interseting to tke a punt on him. When someone talks like this about a player (even from a fifth-tier club), it certainly piques your interest. And he oozed technical ability in the Conference play-offs. www.nottinghamsport.com/index.php/2020/07/27/the-impact-of-the-geordie-messi/Despite the goals record, despite the credentials of past promise, this was still a gamble for Notts albeit a relatively low budget one but despite us being only nine games into his County career, we might very well be seeing a superstar before our eyes
A huge statement yes, but not since a young Jack Grealish, socks rolled down on one wing with Callum McGregor, jinking in and out on the other have we seen such a fine prospect at the club. Roberts really is that good, he just needs to be nurtured in the right way to fulfil his undeniable potential.
Then came lockdown…. And as we seemed to forget about the brilliance of the South Shields born winger over four depressing months of no football then came Saturday… Roberts, the Geordie Messi back strutting his stuff again.
The goal Roberts scored on Saturday is one that only a few players can do, and is one that you have to take seriously as a moment of individual brilliance. The best thing is, it is not the first time he has done it.
Roberts has guile and craftsmanship, a silky player cutting in to shoot on that thunderous left foot, often threading the ball through an eye of a needle, delivering the perfect cross, dribbling inside and out like a young John Robertson from over the Trent 40 odd years ago.
I believe no matter the result and performance come Sunday against Harrogate that Cal Roberts will be a star that Notts County will do very well to hold and keep. An old fashioned once in a decade type of player that lifts bums off seats, one plucked from National North obscurity now with an eye on winning a Wembley final.
From deepest rock bottom being released by Newcastle to now being Notts County’s man of the moment, what a year it has been for Callum Roberts, what a career it could be, should he keep his feet on the ground and his hips wiggling past defenders
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 13, 2020 17:57:39 GMT
Yes right winger is priority for me Is there such a thing as a “winger” these days? I remember the likes of Don Ratcliffe, Harry Burrows et al. Matty Etherington’s spell at Stoke showed the quality and value of a type of player that could play wide offensively and defensively. I agree fully about the need to fill the wide “right” position. Ince is incapable of fulfilling that position from either a footballing or mentality perspective IMHO
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 18:17:03 GMT
Yes right winger is priority for me Is there such a thing as a “winger” these days? I remember the likes of Don Ratcliffe, Harry Burrows et al. Matty Etherington’s spell at Stoke showed the quality and value of a type of player that could play wide offensively and defensively. I agree fully about the need to fill the wide “right” position. Ince is incapable of fulfilling that position from either a footballing or mentality perspective IMHO Good point Verlinden is very much a winger in the old fashioned sense. I think Boyle at Hibs is more of a wide forward, direct, scores goals but maybe not going to get crosses in? Ince...he actually has the talent to get past his full back and make chances He just doesn't do it!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 18:24:25 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-jacob-murphy-4423578Stoke City are reportedly in a series of clubs on alert as Newcastle United consider Jacob Murphy's future. Murphy did well on loan at Sheffield Wednesday last season and it has been suggested that he could be available for a similar move to the Championship this term. Michael O'Neill has already brought in left-back Morgan Fox and brought back centre-half James Chester.
A winger and midfielder are also thought to be on his shopping list as he prepares for his first full campaign in charge, while other positions may come on the agenda depending on departures.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 18:29:57 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit.
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Post by datguy on Aug 13, 2020 18:39:59 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. Thibaut has played his whole career on the left. Played there for Bolton and in his handful of appearances for us. We definitely need a RW imo.
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Post by datguy on Aug 13, 2020 18:41:27 GMT
I'd be going for Jacob Murphy on loan.
Would be a good signing.
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Post by datguy on Aug 13, 2020 18:44:34 GMT
Callum Roberts for me. Young, hungry, good on the ball, set pieces, and best of all cheapest of the lot! Huge risk though. Done well in the Conference and Conference North but apart from that has he had much experience elsewhere?
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Post by Championship Potter on Aug 13, 2020 18:45:45 GMT
I’d take Patrick Roberts. Should be a player in there if he has a manager that believes in him.
Is it ridiculous to suggest Morgan Gibbs-White? He badly needs games and we’d offer that (not sure he’d be a guaranteed starter for any Prem team). If we got him firing Wolves would have a bidding war for him.
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Post by bolders on Aug 13, 2020 18:45:46 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. We still need a pool of 4 wingers, rotate due to tiredness, injuries and suspensions
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 13, 2020 18:47:22 GMT
Jefferson Montero, it's a delicate situation but he's very much high up on Tony's list.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 13, 2020 18:48:25 GMT
Callum Roberts for me. Young, hungry, good on the ball, set pieces, and best of all cheapest of the lot! Huge risk though. Done well in the Conference and Conference North but apart from that has he had much experience elsewhere? Who knows, sometimes you have to take a punt rather than going for yet another player who has been loaned out season after season or been at loads of clubs. When I saw him in the conference final, he looked a class apart. Yes it’s the conference but there are players who can do it. I know it’s a cliche but Vardy is a good example.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 13, 2020 18:59:38 GMT
Boyle or Murphy looks the best option to me from all the names mentioned. If we bring in one of those we don't have to bring any more in as I see it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 19:09:32 GMT
theathletic.co.uk/1959726/2020/07/31/jacob-murphy-sheffield-wednesday-kadeem-harris-loans/Confident and seemingly comfortable in his role at Wednesday, Murphy has shown he is versatile and a source of goals — scoring nine and providing four assists in the Championship, only Fletcher (13 and two) had a hand in more than him for the club this season. A contender for the club’s player of the season award, fans would gladly welcome him back for 2020-21. With flashes of brilliance matched by consistently strong performances, his loan from Newcastle was a successful one and a prime example of a player and club being a good fit if they are given the time to grow.
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 19:18:59 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. We do if we are shipping Ince out
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 13, 2020 19:34:24 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. We do if we are shipping Ince out Maybe even if Ince stays? We're not really sure how highly MON rates Verlinden, or when he's going to be fit, are we? And there's only so long we can keep waiting for Derby/Blackpool Ince to magically reappear. 3 or 4 managers have persisted with him and tried the arm 'round the shoulder routine, and we're still waiting. Campbell's a decent option there, but do we see him as a proper, medium-term option there?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 13, 2020 20:22:49 GMT
We do if we are shipping Ince out Maybe even if Ince stays? We're not really sure how highly MON rates Verlinden, or when he's going to be fit, are we? And there's only so long we can keep waiting for Derby/Blackpool Ince to magically reappear. 3 or 4 managers have persisted with him and tried the arm 'round the shoulder routine, and we're still waiting. Campbell's a decent option there, but do we see him as a proper, medium-term option there? 👍. I wouldn’t be at all to see Verlinden go out on loan in January (dependent upon squad injuries, suspensions etc)
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 20:31:14 GMT
We do if we are shipping Ince out Maybe even if Ince stays? We're not really sure how highly MON rates Verlinden, or when he's going to be fit, are we? And there's only so long we can keep waiting for Derby/Blackpool Ince to magically reappear. 3 or 4 managers have persisted with him and tried the arm 'round the shoulder routine, and we're still waiting. Campbell's a decent option there, but do we see him as a proper, medium-term option there? True Plus maybe Afobe might play wide-ish Plus of course he might favour 352 more often? All the same I think Oneill will want a genuine threat down the right which will probably be a new signing
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 13, 2020 20:34:50 GMT
Ince needs to be second choice (if that) for me next season, much prefer him moved on though. If he is RW next season that's another season we won't do anything for me, he hasn't shown any form since signing for Stoke apart from the odd game a season, why is he suddenly going to be a game changer now? He should jump int a taxi with Jack
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 20:36:16 GMT
Ince needs to be second choice (if that) for me next season, much prefer him moved on though. If he is RW next season that's another season we won't do anything for me, he hasn't shown any form since signing for Stoke apart from the odd game a season, why is he suddenly going to be a game changer now? Absolutely no one is saying he is are they? Millwall or Celtic on loan is my guess
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 13, 2020 20:38:50 GMT
Ince needs to be second choice (if that) for me next season, much prefer him moved on though. If he is RW next season that's another season we won't do anything for me, he hasn't shown any form since signing for Stoke apart from the odd game a season, why is he suddenly going to be a game changer now? Absolutely no one is saying he is are they? Millwall or Celtic on loan is my guess Just the noises coming out of the sentinel earlier
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2020 20:43:09 GMT
Absolutely no one is saying he is are they? Millwall or Celtic on loan is my guess Just the noises coming out of the sentinel earlier Ah Stopped reading the paper and the website is appalling. Obviously no one from the club can come out and say, 'yeah Ince has been shit' they have to hope someone thinks they can get Ince back to his Derby/Blackpool form and snap him up for a 'bargain' £5m It's why I'm disappointed Eddie Howe is out work just the sort of transfer he might have fancied.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 21:06:37 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. Thibaut has played his whole career on the left. Played there for Bolton and in his handful of appearances for us. We definitely need a RW imo. He can play either side, and his debut was as RW.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 21:29:51 GMT
We don't need a single one of those players if we can get Thibo Verlinden fit. We do if we are shipping Ince out I'd like that very much, but that's a very big IF.
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