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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 11:46:49 GMT
Never mind wingers, with Mikel, Clucas, Allen/Etebo and Powell at our disposal surely we should be thinking about some kind of diamond system......
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 18, 2020 11:51:17 GMT
Didn't really mean wingers in the chalk-on-the-boots, go-round-the-outside Stanley Matthews sense, although that's pretty much the way McClean operates in any system as he's very much an old-fashioned 4-4-2-style wide man I always just mentally refer to even the wider players in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 that way. I'm still expecting another player to come in to challenge Ince/Campbell for the role on the right of the attack. I actually thought it suited Campbell quite well. And his goalscoring record from that role was very good, but can't see MON going in with Tyrese as first pick there. And he must be close to giving up on Ince. And while 5-3-2 is an option, it would probably mean only one of Fox and McClean playing - and wouldn't have thought Fox had signed up for a lot of bench duty if he had other options? MON did say the other day Fox was an option as a left-sided CB in a 3 or at wing-back (although that'd mean McClean on the bench which seems unlikely), but got to think he saw him as a steady left-back in a 4 above all? In fact 'steady' was the first word out of MON's mouth to describe what he'd bring to the team. 3 at the back would mean that more than 1 of our boatload of strikers could start though. If 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 is going to be the regular formation, it is going to be almost impossible to see Afobe get much action at all. How much Afobe figures will be one of the more interesting questions, but as you say, wouldn't have thought he'd really be an option in one of the wider forward roles. If we do bring in another front-line right wing option though, it does have the knock-on effect of really limiting Campbell's minutes there, and make Ince pretty redundant - and if we are largely going with one striker, even Campbell might find himself a bit peripheral to start with I get where you are coming from with this - I started watching football in the 70s and for me winger still means someone who goes outside the fullbacks to put in crosses. If you are talking about tucked in wide men in a front three I get where you are coming from - but I think a lot of the replies are from people talking about old school wingers. You are also right in that if we do bring in that sort of player it could marginalise players like Afobe, Campbell, McClean and Ince. Given that Campbell and McClean have played well in those roles, Ince has the potential but hasn't lived up to it and Afobe could be an interesting prospect it's going to be a big ask to get someone better and shift out one or more of the above before the season starts. Ince probably looks the most vulnerable. I think the attacking width is going to be provided by the wingbacks/fullbacks. We have good options there in McClean, Fox and Tymon but are light on the right. Rather than going for an attacking player - I think we could do a lot worse than what we have already - I'd be looking to get in a pacey right back/wingback to provide the attacking width. Call them a defensive winger and we're good.... Tom Edwards?
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 18, 2020 12:03:38 GMT
Campbell's better wide right than up front anyway.
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 18, 2020 12:52:17 GMT
how about a cheeky bid for victor moses
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Post by lordb on Aug 18, 2020 12:57:58 GMT
how about a cheeky bid for victor moses Is he still at Inter?
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 18, 2020 13:05:06 GMT
how about a cheeky bid for victor moses Is he still at Inter? yes i think so but not sure if it was a loan deal or a permanent move not in last nights team against shakhtar
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2020 13:57:32 GMT
yes i think so but not sure if it was a loan deal or a permanent move not in last nights team against shakhtar He’s on loan and I think Inter have said they won’t be buying. He’ll be another one for the Turkish merry go round I reckon
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Post by biglad180 on Aug 18, 2020 14:32:21 GMT
maybe Mikel might have a word in is ear for us 29 years old still plenty in the tank there,and he as had 1 good loan spell here
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2020 17:35:55 GMT
I get where you are coming from with this - I started watching football in the 70s and for me winger still means someone who goes outside the fullbacks to put in crosses. If you are talking about tucked in wide men in a front three I get where you are coming from - but I think a lot of the replies are from people talking about old school wingers. You are also right in that if we do bring in that sort of player it could marginalise players like Afobe, Campbell, McClean and Ince. Given that Campbell and McClean have played well in those roles, Ince has the potential but hasn't lived up to it and Afobe could be an interesting prospect it's going to be a big ask to get someone better and shift out one or more of the above before the season starts. Ince probably looks the most vulnerable. I think the attacking width is going to be provided by the wingbacks/fullbacks. We have good options there in McClean, Fox and Tymon but are light on the right. Rather than going for an attacking player - I think we could do a lot worse than what we have already - I'd be looking to get in a pacey right back/wingback to provide the attacking width. Call them a defensive winger and we're good.... Tom Edwards? The one who showed potential when he first broke into the first team yes - the wastrel who has sat on his barely earned laurels for the last two seasons no. He's not that young anymore and a footballers career isn't that long. Unless he gets his act together and starts to behave like a professional his career is going down the pan - but I suspect O'Neill has told him as much so there may be some hope and I genuinely would like to be proved wrong on this one. And before anyone says it - Bauer. No, no añd thrice no.
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Post by Simon Drainrod on Aug 18, 2020 20:09:23 GMT
The one who showed potential when he first broke into the first team yes - the wastrel who has sat on his barely earned laurels for the last two seasons no. He's not that young anymore and a footballers career isn't that long. Unless he gets his act together and starts to behave like a professional his career is going down the pan - but I suspect O'Neill has told him as much so there may be some hope and I genuinely would like to be proved wrong on this one. And before anyone says it - Bauer. No, no añd thrice no. Last season I grant you. The season before, thought he was a good shout for player of the season. Young men lose their way someTimes but with a good mentor the good ones bounce back.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 18, 2020 20:13:02 GMT
The one who showed potential when he first broke into the first team yes - the wastrel who has sat on his barely earned laurels for the last two seasons no. He's not that young anymore and a footballers career isn't that long. Unless he gets his act together and starts to behave like a professional his career is going down the pan - but I suspect O'Neill has told him as much so there may be some hope and I genuinely would like to be proved wrong on this one. And before anyone says it - Bauer. No, no añd thrice no. Last season I grant you. The season before, thought he was a good shout for player of the season. Young men lose their way someTimes but with a good mentor the good ones bounce back. The problem with Tom Edwards is that he isn't very good, and can't run. I don't see how a good attitude will suddenly change that
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 19, 2020 10:02:56 GMT
The one who showed potential when he first broke into the first team yes - the wastrel who has sat on his barely earned laurels for the last two seasons no. He's not that young anymore and a footballers career isn't that long. Unless he gets his act together and starts to behave like a professional his career is going down the pan - but I suspect O'Neill has told him as much so there may be some hope and I genuinely would like to be proved wrong on this one. And before anyone says it - Bauer. No, no añd thrice no. Last season I grant you. The season before, thought he was a good shout for player of the season. Young men lose their way someTimes but with a good mentor the good ones bounce back. I hope you are right I really do and maybe O'Neill is the mentor he needs. We will know by the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 18:15:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 18:52:59 GMT
Get him in the first team ahead of Ince
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 21, 2020 22:05:07 GMT
What’s the definition of a “winger” and how many “wingers” have we had in the last 50 years?. Names please.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2020 22:12:47 GMT
Lots of teams don’t play with wingers and do fine. For me at this level you need wingers like McClean who are prepared to graft not Ince who can go missing. Verlinden looks like the type who could do well as he’s a busy player.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 21, 2020 22:21:46 GMT
Lots of teams don’t play with wingers and do fine. For me at this level you need wingers like McClean who are prepared to graft not Ince who can go missing. Verlinden looks like the type who could do well as he’s a busy player. yeah, we want a fast paced, direct, wide forward that can dribble , score and create. Not much to ask at this level lol but that is what is needed in my opinion. Someone who isn't wimp like ince. Personallh I thought N'goy should have been given a run of games, the one game he did play wide right forward he nearly scored and then we never saw him again, that baffles me when Ince is getting chances time and again after poor performances. Wingers are for a 442, an old fashioned type, we don't need that we need a wide forward
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 21, 2020 23:36:54 GMT
Good to see, but we still need 1 or 2 more in. His injury record is poor unfortunately!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2020 8:07:57 GMT
www.skysports.com/transfer-centreLOWE SET FOR WIGAN EXIT Swansea City, Millwall and Preston North End have agreed personal terms with Wigan Athletic winger Jamal Lowe. They are now trying to agree a deal with Wigan’s administrators.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 24, 2020 8:37:17 GMT
www.skysports.com/transfer-centreLOWE SET FOR WIGAN EXIT Swansea City, Millwall and Preston North End have agreed personal terms with Wigan Athletic winger Jamal Lowe. They are now trying to agree a deal with Wigan’s administrators. You’ve got to wonder what MON is thinking in terms of wingers?
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Post by rosco on Aug 24, 2020 8:42:18 GMT
Saw callum Roberts play for blyth last year, one of the best players I've seen at that level. Big step up from Notts but why not take a punt?
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 25, 2020 16:24:09 GMT
Afobe and Fletcher are not going to run past 3 or 4 players like Fuller.....Pacy Wingers on both sides are imperative We also need incicive passing Midfielders
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2020 19:26:21 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 25, 2020 19:31:34 GMT
That's fair comment, he is far more effective from out wide at the moment.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2020 12:15:38 GMT
Jamal Lowe going to Wigan, says Nixon
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2020 15:03:26 GMT
Looks like another linked player off the list of possibles (if he was ever on it)
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2020 15:39:46 GMT
800 grand for a decent Championship winger they paid 2.5m for last summer seems cheap (suppose it's not surprising when they're selling everything not nailed down)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2020 15:46:31 GMT
800k is belting value. Really rate Lowe.
Just think of the team we could build with the failure money now, FFS!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 26, 2020 15:57:52 GMT
Is this proof that we can't spend any money at all? Unless we unexpectedly sell someone?.. what a lovely situation to be in.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2020 16:10:25 GMT
Confirmation Boyle's staying at Hibs
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