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Post by mrcoke on Jul 19, 2020 18:11:47 GMT
Looking at his record he is a 10 goal a season scorer at Championship level, which really isn't good enough if we want to improve. He has only done better in D1, which is his true level. He wants to stay at Stoke because that is best he can expect.. Doubt that anyone would want to buy him or match his wages, so we are probably stuck with him.
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Post by jarhead on Jul 19, 2020 18:12:19 GMT
We don’t want you to stay. We need regular goals in this league not 1 in 10 games!
This season from everyone has not Been Good enough.
We have to do better.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jul 19, 2020 18:16:37 GMT
I've always said (well...since he's been here) that Gregory isn't a striker!!! He'll never score ya loads of goals, cuz he does to much work OUT of the box!!!
If his game was just closing down the central defenders when the opposition have the ball, then get into the box when we're on the attack, maybe he'd get one or two more, but that's not his game, he's here there and everywhere up front, that's why he doesn't chip in with many!!!
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Post by puddledpotter on Jul 19, 2020 18:18:30 GMT
It has taken a while but it seems we have got a manager who gets what our club is about, understands the supporters and this division which is noriously difficult to get out of on an upwards trajectory. Flair players need a solid base to perform on, players like Lee Gregory are at the level we can attract and the type of personality we need to rebuild the solid spine of our team which was surgically removed by previous managers. If played in the right position while not being a prolific goal scorer his other attributes would make up for this so for me he should stay.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Jul 19, 2020 18:18:59 GMT
I'd keep him. Works his bollocks off and causes problems.
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Post by slicko on Jul 19, 2020 18:22:52 GMT
Have I missed something - he has a contract at Stoke, why wouldn’t he be staying?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 18:23:26 GMT
He’s been a victim of the fickle fanbase. I thought he did well the first ten matches or so and was often the best of an admittedly very bad bunch. If you look back of the threads from early this season he was widely praised on here. After a few ropey games under O’Neill he’s become a bit of an Oatcake whipping boy. If he can recapture that early season form and the form that made him so popular at Millwall he’s well worth keeping. I think we can all agree we’d rather see Campbell starting matches but arguably Gregory’s best game for Stoke was against Fulham at home, which I believe is one of only two they both started. We had no early season form, so what you're saying is a figment of your imagination. I remember Gregory at first as someone who wasted many chances, and thus was behind our poor form early, and then was deservedly dropped. He then became a sub from one time or another but his pattern of play did not change, and indeed his goal yesterday was only his 3rd in open play. Bizarrely one of the other two was a candidate for goal of the season. He's now come in late in the season as a replacement for Ince - bypassing Campbell in the process - and he's certainly an improvement on Ince, but that doesn't say much.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 19, 2020 18:25:34 GMT
Especially if the 5 substitutes situation continues.
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 19, 2020 18:30:00 GMT
Re invent him as an attacking midfielder/box to box? His understanding of the game and his closing down is very good. Just not that good in front of goal. Last 2 games he had much more influence than Vokes Gregory has an incredible work rate, chasing his own flick ons, running into channels and trying to hold the ball up. As a striker these are admirable traits, as a midfield player these attributes are less than useless. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we may as well try Baath as a box to box midfielder than Gregory.
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Post by walrus on Jul 19, 2020 18:40:08 GMT
He’s been a victim of the fickle fanbase. I thought he did well the first ten matches or so and was often the best of an admittedly very bad bunch. If you look back of the threads from early this season he was widely praised on here. After a few ropey games under O’Neill he’s become a bit of an Oatcake whipping boy. If he can recapture that early season form and the form that made him so popular at Millwall he’s well worth keeping. I think we can all agree we’d rather see Campbell starting matches but arguably Gregory’s best game for Stoke was against Fulham at home, which I believe is one of only two they both started. We had no early season form, so what you're saying is a figment of your imagination. I remember Gregory at first as someone who wasted many chances, and thus was behind our poor form early, and then was deservedly dropped. He then became a sub from one time or another but his pattern of play did not change, and indeed his goal yesterday was only his 3rd in open play. Bizarrely one of the other two was a candidate for goal of the season. He's now come in late in the season as a replacement for Ince - bypassing Campbell in the process - and he's certainly an improvement on Ince, but that doesn't say much. I didn’t mean our early season form as a team, I meant Gregory’s early season form as an individual. He was in better form in the early weeks of the season than he’s been the rest of it.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 18:53:11 GMT
This is the problem though isn't it? Gregory is deadwood... With a capital D. Who the fook is the deadwood then? Not sure what he is paid but I would imagine we have more expensive deadwood that needs clearing 1st. I don't think it will be possible to clear it all out in one window. We have a team out on loan that needs shifting. Gone on then. Give us a clue who this expensive deadwood is.
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Post by RF10 on Jul 19, 2020 18:58:26 GMT
Not all strikers need to be goal scorers to do well though. Mama is the perfect example of that. True We have two maybe three reliable goal scorers in Campbell,Clucas and Powell (& he should get more) We need more goal scorers in the squad Maybe Boyle can bring some goals with him Yep absolutely is this case. Clucas but in his fair share. Need another midfielder to do the same.
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Post by EccyStokie on Jul 19, 2020 19:02:56 GMT
He's not going to score goals, he just isn't. Apart from the one that, ya know, keeps us up
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 19, 2020 19:03:48 GMT
Everyone who knows him around football says what a good professional and top bloke he is and you feel we need those suspect Cardiff will want him if they don’t go up but moving him on should be bottom Of our list , also depends on afoebe position i suspect
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Post by redwhite on Jul 19, 2020 19:05:30 GMT
Wank player get rid
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2020 19:06:27 GMT
He's not going to score goals, he just isn't. Apart from the one that, ya know, keeps us up I agree with all the positive things people have said about him but we can't ignore his piss poor goals return Not good enough
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 19:07:49 GMT
Re invent him as an attacking midfielder/box to box? His understanding of the game and his closing down is very good. Just not that good in front of goal. Last 2 games he had much more influence than Vokes Gregory has an incredible work rate, chasing his own flick ons, running into channels and trying to hold the ball up. As a striker these are admirable traits, as a midfield player these attributes are less than useless. I guess what I'm trying to say is that we may as well try Baath as a box to box midfielder than Gregory. Exactly. He is League one player. We've got to do better... no easy way to say it. I believe certain players can be coached into better players. Gregory isn't one of them. In my humble opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 19:15:14 GMT
I'd keep him with my eyes closed, no problem. Underrated player for me. His movement and work rate shames Vokes, who cost a hell of a lot more and will no doubt be on a lot more too. He's only scored 3 less goals than Vokes too.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 19, 2020 19:20:34 GMT
I reckon he has the DNA Michael O'Neil wants in his players. I thought it was strange when the boss dropped Campbell and brought in Gregory. But he was right to do so. I reckon he'll stay and be part of Michael's squad.
OS.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 19:26:20 GMT
I'd keep him with my eyes closed, no problem. Underrated player for me. His movement and work rate shames Vokes, who cost a hell of a lot more and will no doubt be on a lot more too. He's only scored 3 less goals than Vokes too. Keeping players like him will get us nowhere.. He's a league one grafter striker. No more no less. Vokes at least can play as a target man If we keep signing piss poor journeymen like this we will stabilise in this league.(for ever)
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 19, 2020 19:35:05 GMT
Not sure what he is paid but I would imagine we have more expensive deadwood that needs clearing 1st. I don't think it will be possible to clear it all out in one window. We have a team out on loan that needs shifting. Gone on then. Give us a clue who this expensive deadwood is. We need to shift a few players don't we? Etebo, Ndiaye, Wimmer, Woods, Butland, Indi, Ince, Afobe, Bauer. The only players we should look to keep are Clucas, Allen, Powell and Campbell as for the rest they are all deadwood. Can't get rid of all of them yet so it will have to be over a few windows.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 19, 2020 19:38:28 GMT
Not good enough.
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Post by jeycov on Jul 19, 2020 19:43:15 GMT
We need to be realistic and MON has said that a top half finish is the next target (I'm sure like all of us, a top 6 finish would be a bonus)
We have too many players in the squad and I think O'Neil knows who he wants to keep and who he wants to move on
He'll also be looking at a few to bring in, but too many changes isn't necessarily the best way to progress.
Our route to the Premiership came from a group of players who gave everything for the club and worked as a team
Most of them improved as we played against better opposition
We played some amazing football under Hughes, but getting out of the Championship (promotion) needs a different sort of character
MON has a vision for our future (he wouldn't have accepted the job if that wasn't the case)
I think that the likes of Vokes, Gregory, Batth fit that bill.
I also believe that he will develop some of our younger players, Collins, Campbell, Verlinden, Sorensen playing alongside those with experience at that level
Get to the Premiership then yes we would need a serious upgrade, just as Wolves have done
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Post by albundy on Jul 19, 2020 19:44:21 GMT
Limited player and awful in front of goal but has good game awareness. Works his balls off for the team, chases everything and had standing ovations when taken off earlier in the season.
If only he had the predatory, natural goal scoring ability of Campbell he would be one hell of a player
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 19:45:27 GMT
I'd keep him with my eyes closed, no problem. Underrated player for me. His movement and work rate shames Vokes, who cost a hell of a lot more and will no doubt be on a lot more too. He's only scored 3 less goals than Vokes too. Keeping players like him will get us nowhere.. He's a league one grafter striker. No more no less. Vokes at least can play as a target man If we keep signing piss poor journeymen like this we will stabilise in this league.(for ever) Sheffield United got promotion with Leon Clarke and David McGoldrick leading their line - both players had previously struggled to hit more than 15 in League One over many, many years.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 19:45:34 GMT
Gone on then. Give us a clue who this expensive deadwood is. We need to shift a few players don't we? Etebo, Ndiaye, Wimmer, Woods, Butland, Indi, Ince, Afobe, Bauer. The only players we should look to keep are Clucas, Allen, Powell and Campbell as for the rest they are all deadwood. Can't get rid of all of them yet so it will have to be over a few windows. Wimmer doesnt even need mentioning. Being honest I'm not even sure what his contractual position is. I was thinking more about the current playing squad. That most people bang on about. So you are thinking that Butland, BMI and Ince are "deadwood" Bauer and Afobe are presumably up for sale anyway. Etebo and ND are presumably up for offer as well. Again not too sure of their contractual status.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 19:54:11 GMT
Keeping players like him will get us nowhere.. He's a league one grafter striker. No more no less. Vokes at least can play as a target man If we keep signing piss poor journeymen like this we will stabilise in this league.(for ever) Sheffield United got promotion with Leon Clarke and David McGoldrick leading their line - both players had previously struggled to hit more than 15 in League One over many, many years. So. You are saying that you would be happy Lee Gregory "leading the line" next season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 19:59:32 GMT
Sheffield United got promotion with Leon Clarke and David McGoldrick leading their line - both players had previously struggled to hit more than 15 in League One over many, many years. So. You are saying that you would be happy Lee Gregory "leading the line" next season? I'm saying he's a useful player to keep around the squad, and that because he's never been a prolific striker at this level doesn't mean he won't be useful. People need to look at Chris Wilder and the example he set at this level - an example we need to be acutely aware of over the next few years with FFP imminent. That being, be very careful of what you keep, be very careful of what you throw away and don't assume because something looks like it's broken, that it is. When Sheffield United signed Leon Clarke aged 30, they were his 19th club. He played his part in getting them promotion in the right system.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 19, 2020 20:12:55 GMT
So. You are saying that you would be happy Lee Gregory "leading the line" next season? I'm saying he's a useful player to keep around the squad, and that because he's never been a prolific striker at this level doesn't mean he won't be useful. People need to look at Chris Wilder and the example he set at this level - an example we need to be acutely aware of over the next few years with FFP imminent. That being, be very careful of what you keep, be very careful of what you throw away and don't assume because something looks like it's broken, that it is. When Sheffield United signed Leon Clarke aged 30, they were his 19th club. He played his part in getting them promotion in the right system. I'm chuffin sick of "useful" players making up the squad. We need some quality of we are going to get back to the Prem (or even stay afloat safely in the Champs) We cannot keep thinking thses type of players are "useful"... If you told me that he was part of a MON plan such as Cresswell with Pulis then I'd have some process to think. Sorry mate. We've got to recruit or develop better.
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Post by devondumpling on Jul 19, 2020 20:13:39 GMT
Looking at his record he is a 10 goal a season scorer at Championship level, which really isn't good enough if we want to improve. He has only done better in D1, which is his true level. He wants to stay at Stoke because that is best he can expect.. Doubt that anyone would want to buy him or match his wages, so we are probably stuck with him. With Millwall it was one in three, but yes 10 goals per season in the championship
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