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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2020 13:56:39 GMT
Consider this: Raheem Sterling said Ashley Cole didn’t get the managerial opportunities of Steven Gerard and Frank Lampard! My recollection Ashley Cole was a trouble maker who never led a club like a Captain. He’s totally unsuitable to management of a football club character-wise, Black, White or dayglo Orange! Cole began a relationship with Girls Aloud singer Cheryl Tweedy in September 2004, when they were living in the same block of flats in London; they married on 15 July 2006 in Wrotham Park, Hertfordshire.[88] In January 2008, the couple almost separated after allegations were made that Cole had affairs with three other women. He, however, disputed the allegations and the couple stayed together.[89] It was announced on 23 February 2010 that the couple would separate following new allegations of adultery.[90] Three months later, it was announced that Cheryl was filing for divorce. They officially divorced on 3 September 2010.[91] Cole has a son (born 2016) and a daughter (born 2018) with the Italian model Sharon Canu.[92] In 2006, Cole sued the News of the World and The Sun newspapers for libel after they printed allegations that he was involved in a "homosexual orgy".[93] Both papers retracted the allegations. That same year, Cole released an autobiography titled, My Defence, which sold 4,000 copies in the first six weeks of release.[94] Cole's former teammate, Jens Lehmann, criticised Cole for writing an autobiography when he was 25.[95] Cole has had a couple of minor brushes with the police. On 4 March 2009 he was held after swearing in front of a police officer outside a South Kensington nightclub. He was taken to a police station and issued with an £80 Fixed Penalty Notice before being released.[96] On 4 January 2010, Cole was convicted of a speeding offence committed on 17 November 2009. He was recorded exceeding the speed limit by doing 104 mph in a 50 mph zone on the A3 road in Kingston upon Thames, a residential stretch. His defence at Kingston Magistrates Court, opposing the charge in his absence, argued unsuccessfully that the police speed gun was faulty. Cole also claimed that his actions were excuseable because he was trying to evade the paparazzi.[97] On 29 January he was fined £1000 and disqualified from driving for four months.[98] On 27 February 2011, Cole accidentally shot Tom Cowan, a 21-year-old sports science student on work experience at Chelsea, with a .22 calibre air rifle from only five feet away at the club's Cobham Training Centre, apparently unaware that the rifle was loaded. Cole formally apologised to Cowan, and discussed the incident with Chelsea officials.[99] Can I chuck John Terry into your chosen two. Captain of his club and country, a player who captained Cole. Is he a good example of what you’re looking for? What we know of those players is what was reported by the media. Sure, Cole was a bit of a dick - but are we sure others didn’t do similar things and it didn’t get reported? This way media portray things can be interesting: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 14:20:40 GMT
Consider this: Raheem Sterling said Ashley Cole didn’t get the managerial opportunities of Steven Gerard and Frank Lampard! My recollection Ashley Cole was a trouble maker who never led a club like a Captain. He’s totally unsuitable to management of a football club character-wise, Black, White or dayglo Orange! Cole began a relationship with Girls Aloud singer Cheryl Tweedy in September 2004, when they were living in the same block of flats in London; they married on 15 July 2006 in Wrotham Park, Hertfordshire.[88] In January 2008, the couple almost separated after allegations were made that Cole had affairs with three other women. He, however, disputed the allegations and the couple stayed together.[89] It was announced on 23 February 2010 that the couple would separate following new allegations of adultery.[90] Three months later, it was announced that Cheryl was filing for divorce. They officially divorced on 3 September 2010.[91] Cole has a son (born 2016) and a daughter (born 2018) with the Italian model Sharon Canu.[92] In 2006, Cole sued the News of the World and The Sun newspapers for libel after they printed allegations that he was involved in a "homosexual orgy".[93] Both papers retracted the allegations. That same year, Cole released an autobiography titled, My Defence, which sold 4,000 copies in the first six weeks of release.[94] Cole's former teammate, Jens Lehmann, criticised Cole for writing an autobiography when he was 25.[95] Cole has had a couple of minor brushes with the police. On 4 March 2009 he was held after swearing in front of a police officer outside a South Kensington nightclub. He was taken to a police station and issued with an £80 Fixed Penalty Notice before being released.[96] On 4 January 2010, Cole was convicted of a speeding offence committed on 17 November 2009. He was recorded exceeding the speed limit by doing 104 mph in a 50 mph zone on the A3 road in Kingston upon Thames, a residential stretch. His defence at Kingston Magistrates Court, opposing the charge in his absence, argued unsuccessfully that the police speed gun was faulty. Cole also claimed that his actions were excuseable because he was trying to evade the paparazzi.[97] On 29 January he was fined £1000 and disqualified from driving for four months.[98] On 27 February 2011, Cole accidentally shot Tom Cowan, a 21-year-old sports science student on work experience at Chelsea, with a .22 calibre air rifle from only five feet away at the club's Cobham Training Centre, apparently unaware that the rifle was loaded. Cole formally apologised to Cowan, and discussed the incident with Chelsea officials.[99] Can I chuck John Terry into your chosen two. Captain of his club and country, a player who captained Cole. Is he a good example of what you’re looking for? What we know of those players is what was reported by the media. Sure, Cole was a bit of a dick - but are we sure others didn’t do similar things and it didn’t get reported? This way media portray things can be interesting: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849Did Ashley Cole’s many offences get reported because the press are racist or that they were sometimes illegal? By the way, I detest the media but not Ashley Cole.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2020 15:49:03 GMT
Can I chuck John Terry into your chosen two. Captain of his club and country, a player who captained Cole. Is he a good example of what you’re looking for? What we know of those players is what was reported by the media. Sure, Cole was a bit of a dick - but are we sure others didn’t do similar things and it didn’t get reported? This way media portray things can be interesting: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849Did Ashley Cole’s many offences get reported because the press are racist or that they were sometimes illegal? By the way, I detest the media but not Ashley Cole. Did you read the link I posted? I think that probably gives an answer to part of your question. Do you think black footballers are given the same opportunity as white players in terms of management opportunities?
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 16:05:57 GMT
But, the threat to our resources is just what is causing racism TODAY. History repeats itself. In the western world, where is the actual, real threat to resources for the vast majority of people that leads to racism on the grounds I've outlined above ie some other group of 'different' people might come along and steal what I've got and I starve? People have expectations about their lives, including their private economy and the societal economy. People don't like smaller pieces of the cake, especially if they haven't caused it themselves in this capitalistic world of ours that we live in. It's the basic explanation model regarding how racism develop for economical reasons. And it kicks in long before starvation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 16:34:58 GMT
This post is for open, frank and honest discussion about what causes racism. If it descends into anything nasty from all races on The Oatcake, I’ll ask admin to delete it. I hear the white race are institutionally racist beyond their comprehension. I feel the label is sometimes weilded as an insult and used to keep races apart. Would it be fair to say that other ethnic groups in the U.K. such as Asian, Romany Gypsy and People of Colour are “conditionally racist” due to them being educated by their peers in the belief that they have experienced years of oppression? Racism is often borne from a lack of understanding. A lack of understanding is often a byproduct of a lack of education. We have to focus on what links us and not what divides us. And often that comes down to our ridiculously antiquated class system. So it starts with education, no child is born a racist. Every child should be given an equal start in life from an educational perspective. Look over to Finland, a world class pre-school set up, and a fair education system free of private schools to allow kids to thrive based on their ability and work rate, and not on the cards they were dealt when they were born. And let’s get the British Empire, it’s links to slavery, and conflicts other than the two major wars in the curriculum and discussed warts and all. But this takes major rethinking on the part of our electorate and politicians. If you look at our politicians, comedians, journalists etc. very often they are Oxbridge educated, whether they are white or BAME. So is it a race issue, or a class issue? The two are intrinsically linked. If you’re a white working class factory worker from Moss Side, who do you have more in common with? Is it Jacob Rhys Mogg in his Somerset stately home with his 19th century values, or is it the Iraqi van driver or the Afro-Caribbean refuse collector from up the road? Because I almost guarantee the fears around health, education, housing, the safety of their kids will be the same. We’re fed a constant diet of news that tells us that life is shit because of these people, when the reality is far different. It often boils down to the oppressed v the oppressors, and not race. Tackle the inequality in our society, tackle our unfair education system, and in a couple of generations time you will see that racism will become far less prevalent in our society, in our institutions, our boardrooms, and importantly in our main stream media. I think Corbyn touches at the nub of the issue here, it’s easy to think racism when looking at the Grenfell response, but for me it’s class at the heart of it. Would the Hillsborough saga be into its 4th decade if it had been a game at Twickenham during the 5 nations, would the residents of Grenfell still be waiting on answers if they’d have been owners of luxury apartments a few hundreds of yards away in the posh part of Kensington? I think we all know the answer to this. Divide and conquer, that’s what it’s all about.....
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 14, 2020 17:02:41 GMT
Consider this: Raheem Sterling said Ashley Cole didn’t get the managerial opportunities of Steven Gerard and Frank Lampard! My recollection Ashley Cole was a trouble maker who never led a club like a Captain. He’s totally unsuitable to management of a football club character-wise, Black, White or dayglo Orange! Cole began a relationship with Girls Aloud singer Cheryl Tweedy in September 2004, when they were living in the same block of flats in London; they married on 15 July 2006 in Wrotham Park, Hertfordshire.[88] In January 2008, the couple almost separated after allegations were made that Cole had affairs with three other women. He, however, disputed the allegations and the couple stayed together.[89] It was announced on 23 February 2010 that the couple would separate following new allegations of adultery.[90] Three months later, it was announced that Cheryl was filing for divorce. They officially divorced on 3 September 2010.[91] Cole has a son (born 2016) and a daughter (born 2018) with the Italian model Sharon Canu.[92] In 2006, Cole sued the News of the World and The Sun newspapers for libel after they printed allegations that he was involved in a "homosexual orgy".[93] Both papers retracted the allegations. That same year, Cole released an autobiography titled, My Defence, which sold 4,000 copies in the first six weeks of release.[94] Cole's former teammate, Jens Lehmann, criticised Cole for writing an autobiography when he was 25.[95] Cole has had a couple of minor brushes with the police. On 4 March 2009 he was held after swearing in front of a police officer outside a South Kensington nightclub. He was taken to a police station and issued with an £80 Fixed Penalty Notice before being released.[96] On 4 January 2010, Cole was convicted of a speeding offence committed on 17 November 2009. He was recorded exceeding the speed limit by doing 104 mph in a 50 mph zone on the A3 road in Kingston upon Thames, a residential stretch. His defence at Kingston Magistrates Court, opposing the charge in his absence, argued unsuccessfully that the police speed gun was faulty. Cole also claimed that his actions were excuseable because he was trying to evade the paparazzi.[97] On 29 January he was fined £1000 and disqualified from driving for four months.[98] On 27 February 2011, Cole accidentally shot Tom Cowan, a 21-year-old sports science student on work experience at Chelsea, with a .22 calibre air rifle from only five feet away at the club's Cobham Training Centre, apparently unaware that the rifle was loaded. Cole formally apologised to Cowan, and discussed the incident with Chelsea officials.[99] Can I chuck John Terry into your chosen two. Captain of his club and country, a player who captained Cole. Is he a good example of what you’re looking for? What we know of those players is what was reported by the media. Sure, Cole was a bit of a dick - but are we sure others didn’t do similar things and it didn’t get reported? This way media portray things can be interesting: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849The Cole thing is clearly a red herring he literally only retired last season and is working at chelsea with the youth team or age group sides would be amazed if he doesn't get a managers job somewhere within a year or two. Lampard and Gerrard got their first jobs partly on the back of their names as both clubs were pretty skint so went for name managers to placate their fans and take advantage of loan players from their old clubs. Lampard either got very lucky or made a shrewd pick taking Morris with him as he knew all the young players at chelsea so took mount and taiwo off the back off a relatively average season where they lost the play off final, he got very lucky to be given thr chelsea job, the transfer ban massively contributed to that otherwise I doubt he would be anywhere near it. Derby and Rangers aside I am struggling to think of sides in the top two divisions who give a manager with no experience the job, burton have just done but even in div 1 and 2 its relatively rare so maybe 2 or 3 jobs come up a year for managers with no experience chasing them and theres alot of expros chasing these, there is no excuse for the under representation in coaching, asst managers etc etc.
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 17:54:51 GMT
So with reference to the OP, all on this thread believe that institutional racism is a problem.
Thanks guys, enjoyed that.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 14, 2020 18:40:52 GMT
Ah right fair dos, didn't hear the bit about Cole. That said, I wouldn’t consider Joey Barton to be suitable manager material but he was given the chance at Fleetwood? Joey Barton immediately went for lower leagues. Much easier to get a job. Sol only went to the lower leagues after moaning no high profile jobs would take him despite him claiming he was being too good For them
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 19:02:17 GMT
Talked to a friend about genes and he said blue eyed people will not exist for that long anymore, since it's what he called a weak gene. And he also believes in Darwin, the strongest survive.
Is it true? Is this a huge problem?
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 20:22:09 GMT
So with reference to the OP, all on this thread believe that institutional racism is a problem. Thanks guys, enjoyed that. Well, there are a lot more to say about this. And how it could be solved.
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 21:03:47 GMT
So with reference to the OP, all on this thread believe that institutional racism is a problem. Thanks guys, enjoyed that. Well, there are a lot more to say about this. And how it could be solved. With few variations in opinion here the debate is one sided but enlightening.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2020 21:33:28 GMT
So with reference to the OP, all on this thread believe that institutional racism is a problem. Thanks guys, enjoyed that. I think any type of racism is a problem.
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 21:49:28 GMT
So with reference to the OP, all on this thread believe that institutional racism is a problem. Thanks guys, enjoyed that. I think any type of racism is a problem. Without a doubt but I was interested in whether institutional racism was considered legitimate by the guys on here or being used as a weapon to widen the divide. It’s been quite challenging to discuss racism without emotion but the discussion on here today has never descended into something sinister and was really helpful.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 14, 2020 21:53:42 GMT
Talked to a friend about genes and he said blue eyed people will not exist for that long anymore, since it's what he called a weak gene. And he also believes in Darwin, the strongest survive. Is it true? Is this a huge problem? I think it's a recessive gene musik, so if one parent has brown eyes the kid can't have blue eyes, so obviously the frequency of birth will get gradually less until there's none left. I'm no expert on these matters by any means tho. Problem in what way?
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Post by Dutchpeter on Jun 14, 2020 21:55:49 GMT
This post is for open, frank and honest discussion about what causes racism. If it descends into anything nasty from all races on The Oatcake, I’ll ask admin to delete it. I hear the white race are institutionally racist beyond their comprehension. I feel the label is sometimes weilded as an insult and used to keep races apart. Would it be fair to say that other ethnic groups in the U.K. such as Asian, Romany Gypsy and People of Colour are “conditionally racist” due to them being educated by their peers in the belief that they have experienced years of oppression? Racism is often borne from a lack of understanding. A lack of understanding is often a byproduct of a lack of education. We have to focus on what links us and not what divides us. And often that comes down to our ridiculously antiquated class system. So it starts with education, no child is born a racist. Every child should be given an equal start in life from an educational perspective. Look over to Finland, a world class pre-school set up, and a fair education system free of private schools to allow kids to thrive based on their ability and work rate, and not on the cards they were dealt when they were born. And let’s get the British Empire, it’s links to slavery, and conflicts other than the two major wars in the curriculum and discussed warts and all. But this takes major rethinking on the part of our electorate and politicians. If you look at our politicians, comedians, journalists etc. very often they are Oxbridge educated, whether they are white or BAME. So is it a race issue, or a class issue? The two are intrinsically linked. If you’re a white working class factory worker from Moss Side, who do you have more in common with? Is it Jacob Rhys Mogg in his Somerset stately home with his 19th century values, or is it the Iraqi van driver or the Afro-Caribbean refuse collector from up the road? Because I almost guarantee the fears around health, education, housing, the safety of their kids will be the same. We’re fed a constant diet of news that tells us that life is shit because of these people, when the reality is far different. It often boils down to the oppressed v the oppressors, and not race. Tackle the inequality in our society, tackle our unfair education system, and in a couple of generations time you will see that racism will become far less prevalent in our society, in our institutions, our boardrooms, and importantly in our main stream media. I’ve seen in military training, kids with instinctive intelligence that hasn’t been honed by grammar school, college or university. It was a joy to see them grow (as submariners in my experience), often out performing middle class kids. The question is, how to crack the middle class hegemony. I’m certain, left or right, they don’t want talented young Working class kids to ursurp there own youngsters. Conversely (I believe) many working class parents don’t value education or aspiration.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 14, 2020 22:06:53 GMT
I think any type of racism is a problem. Without a doubt but I was interested in whether institutional racism was considered legitimate by the guys on here or being used as a weapon to widen the divide. It’s been quite challenging to discuss racism without emotion but the discussion on here today has never descended into something sinister and was really helpful. What's your view - do you think it's prevalent in our society?
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 22:27:49 GMT
Without a doubt but I was interested in whether institutional racism was considered legitimate by the guys on here or being used as a weapon to widen the divide. It’s been quite challenging to discuss racism without emotion but the discussion on here today has never descended into something sinister and was really helpful. What's your view - do you think it's prevalent in our society? You’ve put me on the spot and I’m going to answer as honestly as I can. I believe (without research) that Institutional racism is a convenient statement in times of turmoil but rarely used in normal economic times. For example, I work in the public sector with colleagues who are white, BAME, gay, disabled and straight and not one group is favoured over another. We share the same kettle and work at the same desks. In my experience Institutional Racism doesn’t exist there. My son goes to university with people from all over the world. It doesn’t exist there. The phrase is currently wielded like a weapon to wound and insult anyone who is not of a minority background. I wonder if the obvious divide we see is due to conditioning in the formative years and beyond. That would make every ethnic group, without exception, racist. What about your thoughts?
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 22:28:35 GMT
Talked to a friend about genes and he said blue eyed people will not exist for that long anymore, since it's what he called a weak gene. And he also believes in Darwin, the strongest survive. Is it true? Is this a huge problem? I think it's a recessive gene musik, so if one parent has brown eyes the kid can't have blue eyes, so obviously the frequency of birth will get gradually less until there's none left. I'm no expert on these matters by any means tho. Problem in what way? I guess some have a wish to keep rare species, like polar bears, siberian tigers and blue anemone. Just read only 1-2% of the world population have green eyes. 8% have blue eyes. In Sweden, according to stats, children are often born with blue or grey eyes. Some of them develop green or brown eyes later. My grandad went from brown to grey eyes (not cataract), which is extremely rare. Research show people with blue eyes see better in the dark. On the other hand, brown eyed people more seldom get degenerative eye diseases or die of skin cancer (even though the latter is more likely a result of their skin).
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 22:32:45 GMT
In the year 3000 we probably keep the extinct species behind glass at the museums. Blue and green eyed people for instance, alongside polarbears and Siberian tigers.
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Post by slicko on Jun 14, 2020 22:38:40 GMT
In the year 3000 we probably keep the extinct species behind glass at the museums. Blue and green eyed people for instance, alongside polarbears and Siberian tigers. 🤨 In the year 3000 we’ll have the technology to change eye and skin colour, no doubt. Now there’s a whole other discussion.
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Post by musik on Jun 14, 2020 22:42:55 GMT
In the year 3000 we probably keep the extinct species behind glass at the museums. Blue and green eyed people for instance, alongside polarbears and Siberian tigers. 🤨 In the year 3000 we’ll have the technology to change eye and skin colour, no doubt. Now there’s a whole other discussion. And maybe that kind of technology would be the end of racism, or the start of the worst kind we can imagine - depending on who rules the world then.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 15, 2020 6:53:14 GMT
In the year 3000 we probably keep the extinct species behind glass at the museums. Blue and green eyed people for instance, alongside polarbears and Siberian tigers. 🤨 Apparently someone's been, reckons not much has changed but we live underwater
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 15, 2020 7:12:33 GMT
Can I chuck John Terry into your chosen two. Captain of his club and country, a player who captained Cole. Is he a good example of what you’re looking for? What we know of those players is what was reported by the media. Sure, Cole was a bit of a dick - but are we sure others didn’t do similar things and it didn’t get reported? This way media portray things can be interesting: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849Did Ashley Cole’s many offences get reported because the press are racist or that they were sometimes illegal? By the way, I detest the media but not Ashley Cole. I think it was more to do with the talentless bint he was married to
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Post by Eggybread on Jun 15, 2020 10:48:14 GMT
Is there any one on here who is openly prejudiced towards a specific group of people who would like to contribute to the topic to enable them to have their say? And put their argument across.
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Post by musik on Jun 15, 2020 11:31:25 GMT
Sweden
The Green Party (Miljöpartiet) The Left Party (Vänsterpartiet) The Liberals (Liberalerna) The Center Party (Centern)
don't want to diminish our immigrant levels
The Social Democrats (Socialdemokraterna) The Christ Democrats (Kristdemokraterna) The Sweden Democrats (Sverigedemokraterna) The Conservatives (Moderaterna)
on the other hand, want to see a negative net migration. Meaning, all of them want to send people back again to a larger extent than we let more people come in. Basically, they only differ regarding the speed and how it should be done.
FYI: The Social Democrats, The Conservatives and The Sweden Democrats are our three largest political parties, with 30+20+20 % = 70 % of the voters.
Question: Has this anything to do with racism?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jun 15, 2020 20:45:48 GMT
What's your view - do you think it's prevalent in our society? You’ve put me on the spot and I’m going to answer as honestly as I can. I believe (without research) that Institutional racism is a convenient statement in times of turmoil but rarely used in normal economic times. For example, I work in the public sector with colleagues who are white, BAME, gay, disabled and straight and not one group is favoured over another. We share the same kettle and work at the same desks. In my experience Institutional Racism doesn’t exist there. My son goes to university with people from all over the world. It doesn’t exist there. The phrase is currently wielded like a weapon to wound and insult anyone who is not of a minority background. I wonder if the obvious divide we see is due to conditioning in the formative years and beyond. That would make every ethnic group, without exception, racist. What about your thoughts? Tough one because I don't think I've suffered because of racism on a personal level. People who have suffered it probably think it's there - I do think I've noticed it a bit more once people have pointed it out, like in that article I shared before. It wouldn't have crossed my mind but when it's made clear like that it's obvious. Same in the treatment of Megan and Kate - does that mean institutional, I don't know, but undercurrent maybe. I think as a country the majority of us aren't racist but I think sub-consciously we probably all hold prejudices based on our personal experiences and that can manifest itself in different ways. The way you speak to someone or the way you act around them. I know I do it, and it's not just linked to race or country of birth but how people dress and other personal traits. I try and treat people as I find them but before I get to know them there is probably something in me that makes me act in a certain way - but not offensively (I hope).
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Post by slicko on Jun 16, 2020 6:49:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2020 8:16:52 GMT
That’s it then. Close the inquiry now, nothing to see here.....
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Post by misterj on Jun 16, 2020 8:17:00 GMT
Tiny bit of balance chucked in here.... the earlier poster mentioned Cole (bad boy) v. Gerrard + Lampard, but they’re not squeaky clean are they? (Gerrard punch in a Southport nightclub caught on CCTV, rumours of Mersey Mafia connection etc) plus Lampard despicable behaviour v. American tourists at a London airport 9/11 ? What I notice about sports ‘stars’ (I’m talking international stars not the likes of Crouchy 🤣) How come - generally - the public and media seem to adore David Beckham/Rory Mcilroy/Andy Murray etc but at the same time seem to despise Lewis Hamilton who wins the World F1 year after year after year? Just summat to chew on!! 🥴🤔
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Post by noustie on Jun 16, 2020 11:29:45 GMT
I lived in Stoke until 2002 and never really had much interaction with the Asian community despite it making up c.10% of the population be it school or part time work. The only real thing I remember was shop owners, taxi drivers, etc who pretty much all seemed not to have much of a Potteries twang. When I moved to Dundee the Asian population is only c.3-4% but I ended up in a five-a-side game where we usually had 6-7 of the group being Sikh, Muslim or Hindu and they all spoke with broad Dundee accents – one of them went mental when they took a new guy who started trying to talk in hindi which was pretty impressive and he never did it again.
For me it’s about absorption into local community or you end up with almost ghettoization which leads to being more likely anchored in lowest classes of society. It’s a two way street and in my mrs culture they have a saying that translates roughly as ‘you drink their water you accept their culture’ but equally, if not more so, we are responsible for assimilation as essentially we’ve written the rules of the game.
In the States they ended segregation in the 60’s but something so societal isn’t going to end simply through legislation. In the 50’s Black folk made up about 15% of the population and that is consistent with today. At that time Latino’s made up 2% and Asian’s < 1%. At this time Latino’s were considered as almost white and Asian’s were in a halfway house – however there are stories of Japanese folk being told to sit at the front of the bus. Essentially a decade after a brutal and bloody conflict folk who were the enemy are more welcome to sit with white folk than black folk who could have been involved in defending them or lost folk doing so – that is absolutely fucking mental!
It’s crude but societal changes can be seen purely from looking at median income today: Black folk make about USD10k more than native americans; Latino make about USD10k more than black folk with their immigration increasing in the 70’s towards 10%; white folk make USD10k more than latinos and; Asians make USD10k more than whites following their immigration reaching 5% in the 90’s. As such, can’t accuse US of being racist as Asian’s are thriving in their society based purely on income but on the other hand the black population seem anchored in historical prejudice that 50 years of legislation hasn’t been able to shift.
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